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Farissa’s Crossing thread deleted once bad reviews started rolling in

Odd case
lilac curious tank tanning salon
  10/01/23
link for those interested in reading: https://antipodes.s...
Soggy Set Background Story
  10/02/23
LOL that pensive is a mod, holy shit
at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
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Supple Green Boistinker
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at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
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Soggy Set Background Story
  10/02/23
I thought it was really good and would like a hardcover
Deep rambunctious school cafeteria
  10/01/23
I printed it out and am going to read while watching SNF
crimson market milk
  10/01/23
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at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
  10/01/23
lol
topaz aromatic business firm
  10/01/23
I downloaded it but if i repost it is pensive going to come ...
at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
  10/01/23
Anyways there is a suspicious amount of stuff about feet in ...
at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
  10/01/23
tbf it's about a crossing and feet are central
Charismatic Aqua Messiness Clown
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Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca
  10/01/23
“Lorani women simply did not go about barefoot if ther...
crimson market milk
  10/01/23
I thought the feet were blistered
Maroon nofapping love of her life menage
  10/01/23
Yeah, there's nothing sexy about blistered feet after runnin...
outnumbered karate
  10/01/23
(Yes, it's the real MFG.) Honestly, while that element ma...
outnumbered karate
  10/01/23
Ok, read first 2 chapters, thoughts. 1) Farisa was born ...
crimson market milk
  10/01/23
What’s your rating friend
pale marvelous depressive windowlicker
  10/01/23
Not a litmo, or fantasymo so not sure I have any thing reall...
crimson market milk
  10/02/23
Cool. I hope you like the rest of it, when it comes out. The...
outnumbered karate
  10/02/23
73 unless I made a mistake, which is quite possible. My conc...
outnumbered karate
  10/01/23
Oh, also: the real meaning of "fariza" is more com...
outnumbered karate
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pale marvelous depressive windowlicker
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pale marvelous depressive windowlicker
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Demanding claret keepsake machete senate
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Enjoying the parts about the 15 year old's journey of sexual...
at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
  10/01/23
So, how are things going at Y Combinator? That's not how ...
outnumbered karate
  10/01/23
Tell that to anne frank
aquamarine gaped mexican
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Demanding claret keepsake machete senate
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at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship
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scarlet range jew
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i think pensive's mistake was working for far too long on th...
Soggy Set Background Story
  10/02/23
Obsessives (in general) have a hard time understanding itera...
Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca
  10/02/23
This isn't why novelists do that. Writing is very reputat...
outnumbered karate
  10/02/23
Lots of writers had close relationships with other authors t...
Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca
  10/02/23
I think there's something to be said, though, for learning a...
outnumbered karate
  10/02/23
Bach traveled by foot to see Buxtehude Einstein had his mat...
Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca
  10/02/23
Oh, no, I've had a dozen readers go through it, and that's b...
outnumbered karate
  10/02/23
first novels are (almost) always terrible. especially withou...
topaz aromatic business firm
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Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca
  10/02/23
I'm not aware of any thread where bad reviews started rollin...
outnumbered karate
  10/02/23
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lilac curious tank tanning salon
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"Thread has been disabled" What was it? If it's...
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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: lilac curious tank tanning salon

Odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870587)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:39 PM
Author: Soggy Set Background Story

link for those interested in reading:

https://antipodes.substack.com/p/farisas-crossing-chapters-12-now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875159)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship

LOL that pensive is a mod, holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870590)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:09 PM
Author: Supple Green Boistinker



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:10 PM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:36 PM
Author: Soggy Set Background Story



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:10 PM
Author: Deep rambunctious school cafeteria

I thought it was really good and would like a hardcover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870600)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:11 PM
Author: crimson market milk

I printed it out and am going to read while watching SNF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870607)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:13 PM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:10 PM
Author: topaz aromatic business firm

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870604)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:11 PM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship

I downloaded it but if i repost it is pensive going to come after me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870609)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:12 PM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship

Anyways there is a suspicious amount of stuff about feet in the first few pages, like every paragraph pensive stops to comment on this young girl's soft feet, how they're squishing in the mud, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870614)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:18 PM
Author: Charismatic Aqua Messiness Clown

tbf it's about a crossing and feet are central

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870638)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:23 PM
Author: Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:23 PM
Author: crimson market milk

“Lorani women simply did not go about barefoot if there was any risk of their being seen by men.“. Ch. 2 “enter farisa”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870672)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:45 PM
Author: Maroon nofapping love of her life menage

I thought the feet were blistered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870772)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:40 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

Yeah, there's nothing sexy about blistered feet after running through a fucking forest fire, or blistered feet in general.

Then again, I'm not a foot guy. What do I know?

The foot modesty of her culture has to be there for a number of artistic reasons that'll make sense later in the book but, yes, I am worried about people imputing things about me from the fact that it's there. I needed something that was "more naked than naked" but also not sexual or gratuitous, so I picked a body part that almost no one cares about.

Also, Lorani women are only sensitive about the bottoms of their feet. The top is not a big deal. They'll wear sandals, although Farisa wouldn't. The inspiration is Thai culture, where you simply do not let anyone see the bottoms of your feet... although in Thailand, it isn't gendered.

Yes, I researched the fucking shit out of every detail in this book, even though it's a world I made up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871053)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:35 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

(Yes, it's the real MFG.)

Honestly, while that element makes artistic sense, I am a bit worried about people reading a foot fetish when I really don't have one.

The thing is that nakedness is overdone and no longer "feels naked", so I need something for the character that is ordinary and boring for most people (hardly anyone cares about feet) but that feels really exposed for the character. The fact that she's barefoot in 1-A, 2-A is distinctly unpleasant for her.

It's like Altered Carbon. "Real death" (stack smashing) is somehow made _more horrible than_ regular murder, even though all death in real life _is real death_. Every time she is barefoot, it's _more_ vulnerable than regular nakedness (which is so overdone.)

But, because there _are_ foot people out there, I don't even put that in the childhood scenes at all. I'm not a foot guy but I know they exist.

I try to avoid the "naked just because" of GoT because I found the aggressive sexuality—I don't mind nudity at all, but the TV show was just gratuitous, not so much with the nudity but the exploitation—to be useless and bland.

Honestly, though, the foot thing (I'm not a foot fetishist) is probably only #9 or #10 when it comes to the Y Combinator (PG himself doesn't give a shit about me) attack vectors that I'm worried about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871032)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:24 PM
Author: crimson market milk

Ok, read first 2 chapters, thoughts.

1) Farisa was born on October 1 ‘72 - happy birbrday!

2) Farisa means “virtue” in Lyrian

3) Farisa is aspie as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870967)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:26 PM
Author: pale marvelous depressive windowlicker

What’s your rating friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870979)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 1:47 PM
Author: crimson market milk

Not a litmo, or fantasymo so not sure I have any thing really relevant to say. I have read ASOIAF and all the Jasper Fforde novels so I guess I like a good world building novel. World seems interesting so far although obviously a lot to go.

I was a little worried it would be hard to read since it seems like it’s supposed to be “literary” but while the first chapter had some intense passages it was pretty readable in general. And I learned that “clement weather” is a thing 😂

Anyway, having blogged about this novel for years here I guess I feel oddly invested - obviously a yuge effort to write this and throw it out to the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46873422)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:29 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

Cool. I hope you like the rest of it, when it comes out. There've been delays (editor change, again, long story... not something that has anything to do with me or the book) but it's not that far off target.

I'm probably two or three years past the point where the aesthetic tweaks will have any influence on sales (which literally nobody can predict, and has very little to do with literary quality anyway) if we're being honest... so now it's just about finding an editor who can do the last mile, which doesn't seem like it would be that hard, but often is. If you hire a freelancer, you'll probably get shoddy work, and you can't go on reputation because the problem isn't unskilled editors but skilled, reputable ones who outsource (happened to me once.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875609)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:36 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

73 unless I made a mistake, which is quite possible. My concordance files are ridiculous.

And yeah, all mages are mentally ill. Otherwise, they would rule the world. Unlike in WoT, though, mental illness comes even for those who never use it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871034)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

Oh, also: the real meaning of "fariza" is more complicated and darker than that. It's untranslatable, and virtue is one of its meanings, but not the only one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871093)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 10:11 PM
Author: pale marvelous depressive windowlicker



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:42 AM
Author: pale marvelous depressive windowlicker



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:40 PM
Author: Demanding claret keepsake machete senate



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:57 PM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship

Enjoying the parts about the 15 year old's journey of sexual self discovery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871103)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 10:09 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

So, how are things going at Y Combinator?

That's not how you're supposed to read that. It's perfectly normal that a sheltered/inexperienced 15-year-old girl would want to know what it's like to do normal teenage stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871147)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:43 AM
Author: aquamarine gaped mexican

Tell that to anne frank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46872362)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:59 AM
Author: Demanding claret keepsake machete senate



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:40 AM
Author: at-the-ready adventurous goal in life cruise ship



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:30 PM
Author: scarlet range jew



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:41 PM
Author: Soggy Set Background Story

i think pensive's mistake was working for far too long on this novel before releasing a bit of it. much better to release a larger, rougher work earlier to a wide audience and use the feedback to iterate quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875166)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:43 PM
Author: Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca

Obsessives (in general) have a hard time understanding iterative development, they want to be as perfect as possible on the first try so that they receive as little ego-damaging criticism as possible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875176)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:22 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

This isn't why novelists do that.

Writing is very reputation-based and a bad book can kill you. In the olden days (before 1980) a bad book simply was forgotten, and a lot of bad first books were.

Iterative development used to the way it was done. "Debut" books were usually quite bad—someone like me would have been first published 7 years earlier, because they started you when you barely knew how to write—and almost invariably forgotten twelve weeks after they were published.

The reason it can't be done that way anymore is that, for all the hate publishing houses get, the world was actually a lot better when they had the power and not chain bookstores (or Amazon) because they could actually support writers as they got better. Whereas, a chain like B&N or Borders is going to pull an author's numbers and, if they aren't perfect, nope out. That's why the iterative development culture died.

You see a lot of the opposite problem, too, in publishing. You see a lot of authors whose first books do really well because of extensive editing and publisher support, but whose second books flop, especially because of the pressure to get them out fast (and thus avoid trace decay of the first one's success.) These days, it tends to be second books that are the worst.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875334)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca

Lots of writers had close relationships with other authors that would help revise the work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875371)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

I think there's something to be said, though, for learning all those skills on your own. Self-reliance. The age in which you could trust a social circle and a publisher to do, well, anything, is over. And who knows what's going to be left of trade publishing after AI is done with it? Probably not all that much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875393)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:37 PM
Author: Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca

Bach traveled by foot to see Buxtehude

Einstein had his math reviewed by his wife

Welles was picked up after by Toland

I'll avoid the obvious question of why you think you're more of a genius than the above and instead ask why you think writing is any different?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875414)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:46 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

Oh, no, I've had a dozen readers go through it, and that's been very helpful. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

The thing is, though, it's ultimately on you to make the story work. Not anyone else. Not your first 10 readers, not other authors. It's also on you to figure out who to listen to and whose tastes are so irrelevant to what you're doing that you can ignore them. Simply gathering good feedback and filtering out the bad is more of an art than a science.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875462)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:11 PM
Author: topaz aromatic business firm

first novels are (almost) always terrible. especially without an editor. its a situation where you dont know what you dont know. This is why budding novelists are advised to finish their draft asap. laboring over your first book for years without feedback is a classic beginner mistake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875288)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: Irate aphrodisiac sound barrier macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875389)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

I'm not aware of any thread where bad reviews started rolling in, or deletion thereof. I think that was a joke by OP. Not sure. And only 2 chapters are released.

Of course, some number of bad reviews is just inevitable. They happen to the best, and the worst, and all the people in between. You can't be afraid of them, and you can't really react. Some people will think your pacing is too slow, and others will think it is too fast. You are at a local minimum when the stochastic gradients average out to zero, not when they individually become zero, because they never will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875372)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:19 PM
Author: lilac curious tank tanning salon

??

https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5399171&mc=36&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875564)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:33 PM
Author: outnumbered karate

"Thread has been disabled"

What was it? If it's a negative review, no I didn't delete it. Trust me, I'm going to get plenty of those... unless I fail completely. Franzen's latest has 46 one-star reviews. They happen. Large numbers, the such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875632)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:42 PM
Author: pale marvelous depressive windowlicker



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Date: May 9th, 2024 11:18 AM
Author: amber house alpha



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