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Glock 19 for home defense - holosun or irons?

Shot one for the first time this weekend and was hitting eve...
Mahogany whorehouse
  11/27/23
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cerebral immigrant shrine
  12/10/23
Home defense shots will be fired within 15 feet.
Orchid wagecucks
  12/09/23
not worth it, just more shit to deal with and you have to ma...
high-end center
  12/09/23
Get the holosun. I can shoot the same way when at the range ...
Mahogany whorehouse
  12/09/23
if you can't get irons on target at 10 yards a red dot isn't...
high-end center
  12/09/23
ive seen multiple interviews with ex delta force dudes, and ...
sooty french chef milk
  12/09/23
if you have suppressor height sights, which you probably don...
high-end center
  12/09/23
Imma compose stairway to heaven on that bogey's forehead bab...
Very tactful at-the-ready idiot
  12/09/23
for home defense id get something steel or alloy framed, wit...
avocado half-breed
  12/10/23
that's not how heavy rounds work bro
high-end center
  12/10/23
explain rtmi
Electric spot
  12/10/23
heavier bullets retain energy better and penetrate further a...
high-end center
  12/10/23
ty
Electric spot
  12/10/23
you're correct, my mistake i should have said you want bi...
avocado half-breed
  12/10/23
Everything penetrates walls. Even shotguns. Walls are weak a...
frozen spruce cumskin
  12/10/23
What about hollow points?
Orchid wagecucks
  12/10/23
You should only be loading hollow points whether at home or ...
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
buy some drywall at Home Depot and shoot some hollow points ...
frozen spruce cumskin
  12/10/23
Get a trijicon. Your life is worth the extra $100-200.
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
whats the cr night or hunting version? these look 1890098...
Electric spot
  12/10/23
I meant the RMR rds. The glow iron sights are ok though. I h...
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
Huh? Which is the cr night one I want to kill things at n...
Electric spot
  12/10/23
https://www.trijicon.com/products/subcategory/trijicon-rmr ...
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
Ty
Electric spot
  12/11/23
https://imgs.search.brave.com/g7cs7nBXCvaCP2XgHr0h2ZHs-Lu20X...
obsidian state goyim
  12/10/23
https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-rm...
sooty french chef milk
  12/10/23
Don’t put battery powered sights on a gun that’s...
vermilion excitant pisswyrm trust fund
  12/10/23
If you shoot that infrequently just change the battery at le...
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
jfc trying to explain co witness to my wife.
Tantric peach area therapy
  12/10/23
Shooting somebody at 20 feet with iron sights isn’t ve...
vermilion excitant pisswyrm trust fund
  12/10/23
I totally get what you mean. Just feel like someone who can&...
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/11/23
Some of the red dots have motion sensors and the battery isn...
Mahogany whorehouse
  12/10/23
A home defense gun should be as simple and foolproof as poss...
unhinged umber headpube
  12/10/23
Iron sights are the least simple way to aim a gun
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
for the untrained (most females, and ahem, some males), gett...
Tantric peach area therapy
  12/10/23
Ime red dots only require significant training if you’...
Shimmering domesticated party of the first part
  12/10/23
xoxo has really changed my opinion on revolvers. i used to t...
Tantric peach area therapy
  12/10/23
Revolvers are 180. I have one and wife has one.
unhinged umber headpube
  12/10/23
That was my point
unhinged umber headpube
  12/10/23
i second what ll cool j has said so far and would add that i...
bateful senate
  12/10/23
get a good light with strobe
stimulating plaza coldplay fan
  12/10/23


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Date: November 27th, 2023 12:52 AM
Author: Mahogany whorehouse

Shot one for the first time this weekend and was hitting everything in the 10 or 9 using just irons (out to about 30 feet). Everything I read online says get a holosun but not sure if it's worth it if I'm already a good shot with the irons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47103261)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:02 AM
Author: cerebral immigrant shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153781)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:03 PM
Author: Orchid wagecucks

Home defense shots will be fired within 15 feet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47152936)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:06 PM
Author: high-end center

not worth it, just more shit to deal with and you have to make sure the dot is the right brightness for your light conditions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47152949)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:09 PM
Author: Mahogany whorehouse

Get the holosun. I can shoot the same way when at the range but if someone breaks in and adrenaline is flowing I want the red dot. Just learn how to present so the dot shows up quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47152961)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:18 PM
Author: high-end center

if you can't get irons on target at 10 yards a red dot isn't going to help you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47152989)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: sooty french chef milk

ive seen multiple interviews with ex delta force dudes, and most of them now carry wtih red dots on their handguns.

also that guy who stopped a mass shooting at a mall hit the shooter from like 50 feet away using a red dot on his handgun

also aren't most of these red dots cowitness with the iron sights anyway?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153095)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:54 PM
Author: high-end center

if you have suppressor height sights, which you probably don't

and the fact that something can very marginally improve performance under certain conditions for top level performers doesn't mean it will do shit for you, it's like handing a noob a vintage les paul, it isn't going to make a difference to him playing three chords

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153118)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 11:57 PM
Author: Very tactful at-the-ready idiot

Imma compose stairway to heaven on that bogey's forehead baby ba-blam!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153125)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:28 AM
Author: avocado half-breed

for home defense id get something steel or alloy framed, with big and heavy rounds that wont over penetrate walls. my home gun is a 220 combat with 230 grain defense rounds, 10+1 extended mag.

for 9mm id suggest something like a cz-75 loaded with 124 or even 147 grain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153182)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:33 AM
Author: high-end center

that's not how heavy rounds work bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153192)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:37 AM
Author: Electric spot

explain

rtmi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153201)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:39 AM
Author: high-end center

heavier bullets retain energy better and penetrate further as a general rule

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153206)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:52 AM
Author: Electric spot

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153225)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 10:23 AM
Author: avocado half-breed

you're correct, my mistake

i should have said you want bigger/heavier because you want to stay subsonic. assume night time + no hearing protection, the bigger rounds will have less muzzle flash (lighter defense rounds are often +p) and won't have the ssonic crack to them.

home defense, you don't care about weight, so steel or alloy frame of a mid or full size gun gives you more accuracy and less recoil.

again, in 9mm i'd say cz75, sig 229 or 226 (225 is still my favorite to hold, but it's low capacity), or a beretta 92.

in 45, metal framed options that aren't single-action only are pretty limited, but a 220 won't let you down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154011)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 10:28 AM
Author: frozen spruce cumskin

Everything penetrates walls. Even shotguns. Walls are weak as fuck. Studs are another matter but drywall is like glass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154018)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 11:37 AM
Author: Orchid wagecucks

What about hollow points?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154254)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 11:45 AM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

You should only be loading hollow points whether at home or outside

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154279)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:04 PM
Author: frozen spruce cumskin

buy some drywall at Home Depot and shoot some hollow points at it. It’ll pierce multiple layers. There are YouTube videos on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154348)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:38 AM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

Get a trijicon. Your life is worth the extra $100-200.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153203)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:52 AM
Author: Electric spot

whats the cr night or hunting version?

these look 18900980840283028032



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153226)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 2:13 AM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

I meant the RMR rds. The glow iron sights are ok though. I have the night ones on my m&p shield and they’re 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153467)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 3:36 AM
Author: Electric spot

Huh? Which is the cr night one

I want to kill things at night

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47153624)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 11:42 AM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

https://www.trijicon.com/products/subcategory/trijicon-rmr

For a Glock 26 or smaller get the RMRcc. No point blowing $ on fancy iron sights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154268)



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Date: December 11th, 2023 2:06 PM
Author: Electric spot

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47158309)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:03 PM
Author: obsidian state goyim

https://imgs.search.brave.com/g7cs7nBXCvaCP2XgHr0h2ZHs-Lu20Xljgy4JrgUpt3Y/rs:fit:500:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9wcmV2/aWV3LnJlZGQuaXQv/dHJpamljb24tdnMt/aG9sb3N1bi12MC14/ZTFvazdvd3B3NmEx/LnBuZz93aWR0aD02/NDAmY3JvcD1zbWFy/dCZhdXRvPXdlYnAm/cz0xZWQwOWRhMzIz/YTE5MWE3ZmFjMDBm/ZThhYzA2ZDVmYmMz/MjYwNzll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154341)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 11:15 PM
Author: sooty french chef milk

https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-rmr-dual-defense-kit

seems like the 6.5 MOA dot would be credited for this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47156415)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:00 PM
Author: vermilion excitant pisswyrm trust fund

Don’t put battery powered sights on a gun that’s going to sit in your night stand. Even assuming you put in enough practice that the marginal difference between iron sights and a red dot makes a difference in a home defense scenario (you won’t) I promise you the dead battery risk is way worse than the gain. Delta guys do nothing but fuss with their guns and shit but that’s not you. I have gone through periods in my life where I shot almost every day but I haven’t touched my Glock for about 11 months right now and if someone came through my door right now I’m glad I have iron sights on it. You’ll get busy and forget about this I guarantee you.

Some faggot will tell you your battery will last 50000 hours but ime these battery life claims are bullshit and if I had to trust a gun I hadn’t touched in a year Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154333)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:08 PM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

If you shoot that infrequently just change the battery at least once a year. It’s really not that risky. You can add co-witness sights too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154371)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:17 PM
Author: Tantric peach area therapy

jfc trying to explain co witness to my wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154407)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:18 PM
Author: vermilion excitant pisswyrm trust fund

Shooting somebody at 20 feet with iron sights isn’t very “risky” either. People can make their own decisions but if my life depended on it and I had to choose between reaching for a gun I hadn’t touched for even one month with iron sights or a red dot I would always choose iron sights. I confess that I am old and gun sight batteries were a lot worse for most of my life than they are now but Im just not willing to bet my life on batteries I don’t check constantly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154408)



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Date: December 11th, 2023 2:59 PM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

I totally get what you mean. Just feel like someone who can’t be bothered to change a battery once a year is even less likely to remember to put the front sight on target. Tech has improved so much in the last decade that all of the recent pistol additions to Cal roster have optic ready slides.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47158529)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 1:09 PM
Author: Mahogany whorehouse

Some of the red dots have motion sensors and the battery isn't engaged until the gun is moved/picked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154467)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:05 PM
Author: unhinged umber headpube

A home defense gun should be as simple and foolproof as possible. It just needs to go bang.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154355)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:09 PM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

Iron sights are the least simple way to aim a gun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154375)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:14 PM
Author: Tantric peach area therapy

for the untrained (most females, and ahem, some males), getting sight picture is not easy. i personally do not put red dots on home defense guns, because if my wife picks it up, she is going to fumble around trying to sight. not that she uses iron sights any better, but in a home defense situation, you dont want someone who isnt trained on red dot, dealing with it. as mentioned above, home defense situations are at 15 yards or less, you just want something reliable, point and shoot for the untrained.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154395)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:17 PM
Author: Shimmering domesticated party of the first part

Ime red dots only require significant training if you’ve already been accustomed to irons.

But agree that she needs to get to a range once in a while. If it’s not feasible then get her a single action revolver with a laser grip imo. Keep the trigger weight low and maybe keep the first chamber empty. Or a shield EZ9 with a good stream light laser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154405)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:31 PM
Author: Tantric peach area therapy

xoxo has really changed my opinion on revolvers. i used to think they were just old worthless pieces of junk. but now i believe it is one of the best options for home defense for the untrained.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154416)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 11:04 PM
Author: unhinged umber headpube

Revolvers are 180. I have one and wife has one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47156386)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 11:04 PM
Author: unhinged umber headpube

That was my point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47156384)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:18 PM
Author: bateful senate

i second what ll cool j has said so far and would add that if youre set on a 9mm glock why not a 17 or 45

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154410)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 1:15 PM
Author: stimulating plaza coldplay fan

get a good light with strobe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5450888&forum_id=2#47154492)