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My ranking of top classical pianists

Used to be a classical pianist till I burned out (wasn't goo...
metal idea he suggested
  12/09/23
i used to play the piano a lot and know the big names. only ...
cracking turdskin
  12/09/23
these are from my generation. There are new talents like Tri...
metal idea he suggested
  12/09/23
the "new talents" are too plentiful and diluted th...
cracking turdskin
  12/09/23
Listen to younger Pollini play Chopin etudes. It's sublime.
metal idea he suggested
  12/09/23
Pollini is great for 20th century work (Stravinsky, Stockhau...
cracking turdskin
  12/09/23
His Chopin etudes are very special if you have a deeper unde...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
To be fair, No they aren't. SOURCE: I have "a de...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/16/23
my Van Cliburn competitor teacher LOVED argerich
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
To be fair, Argerich is one of the best around today and ...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
in what way is kissin "autistic" or bad? he often...
appetizing tripping ticket booth
  12/09/23
Sokolov is my #1, anyone who can perform baroque on the pian...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, (Glenn Gould)
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Gould sucks and Bach on pianoforte is sacrilege for all but ...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, (Dumb chink who doesn't even have proper nose...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
(smart chink with elegant, refined nose) actually
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, Defend your claim that Sokolov > Gould in ...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
I don't like Sokolov on Bach either. It's Rameau that he mak...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, Rate Wanda Landowska or gtfo
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Bach on piano is 152, and most harpsichordists play with a R...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, I totally disagree with your first point, I s...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Baroque fingerings or death
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, (Faggot academic demanding that we play Beeth...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Guilty as charged. That "Chopin on Period Instruments&q...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, Lmao I was considering invoking that one too....
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Tbf I still have a soft spot for more Romantic interpretatio...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
...
appetizing tripping ticket booth
  12/09/23
Gould is potus but all the mixing and recording leveling I&r...
Sexy mentally impaired theatre
  12/09/23
(Keith Jarrett)
Big Rehab Patrolman
  12/09/23
LMAO
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
no idea why you're talking trash about GG itt unless it's ju...
appetizing tripping ticket booth
  12/09/23
Piano mastermen, where does Seongjin Cho fit in this discuss...
Fear-inspiring forum
  12/09/23
To be fair, Technically Competent And Musically Boring In...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
he's more musical than he is technical. he doesn't even thin...
buff galvanic corner deer antler
  12/10/23
...
Big Rehab Patrolman
  12/10/23
...
cocky locus antidepressant drug
  12/10/23
insert generic asian piano robot number 1000 practicing mach...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
counterpoint, this chick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az...
diverse church building
  12/09/23
pleasantly surprised to see richter at #1. but list need...
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
To be fair, Here's the definitive list of GOAT classical ...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
thoughts on Schnabel?
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
To be fair, Grossly overrated Jew flame, and I say that a...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Cziffra's Chopin Etudes are exceptional.
buff galvanic corner deer antler
  12/09/23
To be fair, I agree, and Gould (for example) was actually...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
thoughts on zimerman?
orange hairraiser preventive strike
  12/09/23
To be fair, He's very solid but not in the GOAT discussio...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Are any of them actually better or more talented than Oscar ...
High-end indirect expression property
  12/09/23
tatum blows both of them out if the water. truth is that imp...
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
To be fair, Yes to the former, "meh it's more compli...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
"higher" was probably the wrong way to put it. but...
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
To be fair, I actually do blame classical musicians for f...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Very few classical pianists improvise. Improvisation is more...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
Jerry Lee Lewis played with his feet: https://youtu.be/h9...
High-end indirect expression property
  12/09/23
when you brought up peterson and lewis that moved the conver...
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
Only if you read those names in isolation and didn't read th...
High-end indirect expression property
  12/09/23
...
High-end indirect expression property
  12/09/23
To be fair, (Retarded schizo Jew)
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Thoughts on Andras Schiff?
Hilarious range
  12/09/23
To be fair, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about th...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
He is top 5-10 for Bach. That is his main focus.
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
Thoughts on Gergely Bogányi? Saw him live 7 years ago...
crusty school stock car
  12/09/23
If we count Harpsichord it’s Pierre Hantaï easily...
Sexy mentally impaired theatre
  12/09/23
To be fair, Yeah and if we count French Horn, then it's D...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
cr why is XO always like this. "I would rather talk abo...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, "Oh well I mean yes, certainly Hofmann w...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
I mean Marcel Dupré was a legend.
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, Here's an acoustic recording of Widor playing...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
This stuff is just so insane to me, I can wrap my head aroun...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, If you weren't so busy being a faggot about G...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Well maybe if after exercising his independence of audiation...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, (Actual gay and retarded jet black Congo nigg...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
I will never not be Yosemite Sam Fuming Faggot Mad at the ol...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, *Unzips* Link?
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Get a load of this horsesh*t https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
To be fair, *bloodpressure skyrocketing* This is the o...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
I remember that coming across my feed and not getting the jo...
bateful parlour mexican
  12/09/23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYpO6M-LyY8
buff galvanic corner deer antler
  12/09/23
To be fair, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XLbOw6WLS0&a...
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
180!
buff galvanic corner deer antler
  12/10/23
this sounds like the idea of north! gould is 180
appetizing tripping ticket booth
  12/09/23
his improvisation manual is honestly invaluable
boyish location headpube
  12/09/23
improvisation you need to study harmony and have good intuit...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
harpsichord is played by very few musicians who are often pu...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
What about Van Cliburn!
zippy giraffe prole
  12/09/23
To be fair, (Boomer)
thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration
  12/09/23
Not a top 100 pianist IMO
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
can anyone here span 10ths?
Big Rehab Patrolman
  12/10/23
not me, stumpy fingers
bateful parlour mexican
  12/10/23
me neither. while playing I can only hit *some* 9ths....
Big Rehab Patrolman
  12/10/23
i've got large hands and can do it, but i can't really play ...
appetizing tripping ticket booth
  12/10/23
Unfortunately, no. I can stretch to a 10th while not playing...
Big Rehab Patrolman
  12/16/23
here in Brussels, 2 pianists reign supreme: Krystian Zimerm...
Aromatic pungent public bath faggot firefighter
  12/10/23
Daniel Barenboim is a better conductor than pianist IMO. As ...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
thoughts on yunchan lim?
orange hairraiser preventive strike
  12/10/23
Not familiar with the new generation of Asian pianists. Most...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvKQKnIVy1I
orange hairraiser preventive strike
  12/16/23
None of the Asian talents can rise to the level of the famou...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23
what's more important is what interval you can stretch your ...
metal idea he suggested
  12/16/23


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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:43 PM
Author: metal idea he suggested

Used to be a classical pianist till I burned out (wasn't good enough)

1. Richter

2. Horowitz

3. Pollini

4. Kissin

5. Argerich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152171)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:47 PM
Author: cracking turdskin

i used to play the piano a lot and know the big names. only one on this list that makes sense is Richter.

Horowitz is too flashy and lacks depth

Pollini too mechanical

Kissin way way way too autistic

Argerich -- simply can't stand her Prokofiev

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152180)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:50 PM
Author: metal idea he suggested

these are from my generation. There are new talents like Trifonov.

Most overrated pianist is Arrau.

Other good pianists:

Schiff

Sokolov

Ashkenazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152185)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:59 PM
Author: cracking turdskin

the "new talents" are too plentiful and diluted this century. there won't be many new big, standout names probably

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152211)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:50 PM
Author: metal idea he suggested

Listen to younger Pollini play Chopin etudes. It's sublime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152187)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:54 PM
Author: cracking turdskin

Pollini is great for 20th century work (Stravinsky, Stockhausen, et al). don't like him for older music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152199)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:18 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

His Chopin etudes are very special if you have a deeper understand of the sheet music and technical challenges

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176233)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 1:48 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

No they aren't.

SOURCE: I have "a deeper understanding of the sheet music and technical challenges."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47177007)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:52 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

my Van Cliburn competitor teacher LOVED argerich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152388)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:04 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Argerich is one of the best around today and obviously one of the all time GOAT female pianists, but she's not Top 5 All Time material IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152446)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:02 PM
Author: appetizing tripping ticket booth

in what way is kissin "autistic" or bad? he often plays tempo rubato -- but i appreciate his unique interpretations. he's great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152783)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:18 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Sokolov is my #1, anyone who can perform baroque on the piano tolerably is a special talent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152263)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:03 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

(Glenn Gould)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152440)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:05 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Gould sucks and Bach on pianoforte is sacrilege for all but Sokolov

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152448)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:06 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

(Dumb chink who doesn't even have proper nosebones)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152452)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:28 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

(smart chink with elegant, refined nose) actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152509)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:40 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Defend your claim that Sokolov > Gould in Bach on the piano, if you can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152555)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:48 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

I don't like Sokolov on Bach either. It's Rameau that he makes work, somehow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152573)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:54 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Rate Wanda Landowska or gtfo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152592)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:58 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Bach on piano is 152, and most harpsichordists play with a Romantic pianistic technique that ruins it anyway.

I rate her Jewish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152607)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:59 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

I totally disagree with your first point, I somewhat agree with your second point, and I wholeheartedly endorse your third point even if you're just pandering.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152611)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:01 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Baroque fingerings or death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152616)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:02 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

(Faggot academic demanding that we play Beethoven sonatas on shitty c. 1820s Broadwood pianos)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152619)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:07 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Guilty as charged. That "Chopin on Period Instruments" comp was pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152632)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:14 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Lmao I was considering invoking that one too... goddammit it chinks, why are you people like this?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152649)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:17 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Tbf I still have a soft spot for more Romantic interpretations of orchestral music like Karl Richter's Mass in B Minor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9F73uNovr4&list=PLJcuQ6Eht9DHta_VFnxHQY3y_U5SXa01y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152667)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:58 PM
Author: appetizing tripping ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152775)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:37 PM
Author: Sexy mentally impaired theatre

Gould is potus but all the mixing and recording leveling I’ve heard sounds fucking awful



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152543)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:30 PM
Author: Big Rehab Patrolman

(Keith Jarrett)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152708)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:39 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152726)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:41 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152734)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:10 PM
Author: appetizing tripping ticket booth

no idea why you're talking trash about GG itt unless it's just for attention, but i like Sokolov playing a lot of Bach too, like the art of fugue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152798)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:26 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring forum

Piano mastermen, where does Seongjin Cho fit in this discussion? He came to play at my alma mater once and i was impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152299)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:26 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Technically Competent And Musically Boring Indistinguishable Gookbot Bowlcut Pianist #9873790

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152696)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:08 AM
Author: buff galvanic corner deer antler

he's more musical than he is technical. he doesn't even think his technique is that great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47153145)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:42 PM
Author: Big Rehab Patrolman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155482)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:49 PM
Author: cocky locus antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155509)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:20 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

insert generic asian piano robot number 1000 practicing machine. Most of them are technically sound and here and there the interpretation is interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176236)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:50 PM
Author: diverse church building

counterpoint, this chick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzWDs26YL9Y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152375)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:51 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

pleasantly surprised to see richter at #1.

but list needs more kempf and brendel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152382)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:53 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Here's the definitive list of GOAT classical pianists in history, limiting the discussion to only those pianists who left behind a sufficiently large recorded legacy to make educated assessments:

1. Josef Hofmann (Rachmaninoff agreed with this)

2. Sergei Rachmaninoff (Hofmann always said Rachmaninoff was #1 and he was #2)

3. Sviatoslav Richter

4. Josef Lhevinne (this is borderline -- he left behind some amazing recordings but it's a pretty small and non-diverse pool of material)

5. Dinu Lipatti (perhaps unfairly penalized for dying very young, but that's the way it goes -- he might have been higher up on the list if he had lived another decade or two)

Honorable Mentions: Gould (in Bach only), Gyorgy Cziffra (in Liszt only), Horowitz (in a subset of Romantic literature only), Leopold Godowsky, Ignaz Friedman, Moriz Rosenthal, maaaaaybe Alfred Cortot in his younger years but that's hard to say with certainty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152391)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:55 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

thoughts on Schnabel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152404)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:56 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Grossly overrated Jew flame, and I say that after having put a Jew at the #1 spot on my own list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152410)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:45 PM
Author: buff galvanic corner deer antler

Cziffra's Chopin Etudes are exceptional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152566)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:48 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

I agree, and Gould (for example) was actually pretty fantastic at a lot of 20th Century music.

My parentheticals are slight oversimplifications, but the point is that Gould was Gould because of his Bach, and Cziffra was Cziffra because of his Liszt, notwithstanding the fact that they were both musical geniuses who also did some other things very very well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152579)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:03 PM
Author: orange hairraiser preventive strike

thoughts on zimerman?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152441)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:09 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

He's very solid but not in the GOAT discussion. Same for Murray Perahia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152463)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:11 PM
Author: High-end indirect expression property

Are any of them actually better or more talented than Oscar Peterson or Jerry Lee Lewis?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152469)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:12 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

tatum blows both of them out if the water. truth is that improvisers belong in a higher category

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152472)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:16 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Yes to the former, "meh it's more complicated than that" to the latter.

On my list above, we know that all of the "Golden Age" classical pianists were excellent improvisers (because it was expected at that time) and we actually have some recordings where Hofmann improvises. Obviously Rachmaninoff was a next-level improviser, as are all basically all top-tier composers.

Here's a video of Cziffra improvising that matches Tatum in both virtuosity and creativity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVOcF-Fz2tY&ab_channel=Carrut

Incidentally, Cziffra was also an excellent Jazz pianist who grew up playing in Jazz cafes in Hungary.

I have never heard Richter improvise and I'm not aware of reports that he did it, but I'm sure it was within his ability to do so. And even if he never chose to develop that skillset, it doesn't take away anything from the fact that he is easily a Top 5 All Time contender.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152480)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:32 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

"higher" was probably the wrong way to put it. but in the 20th century, the skillsets have diverged. comparing someone performing Chopin to someone soloing with a jazz combo does a disservice to both IMO. classical musicians are now expected to adequately perform music going back to Bach, i dont really blame them for not developing their improvisation if they arent composers

tommy flanagan accompanied ella fitzgerald for years... thats something that takes remarkable skill, but doesnt align with the metrics we use for classical pianist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152523)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:43 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

I actually do blame classical musicians for focusing entirely on the recreative element of their art and abandoning the creative (not just interpretively but musically) element. The wholesale death of that skillset has turned modern classical music into a dead art in a way that was absolutely not the case 100 years ago.

I think that gets to the heart of what you're saying -- it's the difference between part of a living tradition and being a master of a functionally dead tradition. And I agree with that distinction as a fundamental dividing line. I was just taking issue with the suggestion that it cleaves down to "Jazz pianists vs. Classical pianists" in the context of this thread, because almost every GOAT classical pianist contender I listed above was a first rate improviser and a part of a living tradition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152560)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:12 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

Very few classical pianists improvise. Improvisation is more of a jazz concept. Classical you play the sheet music. Very few even compose pieces.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176221)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:17 PM
Author: High-end indirect expression property

Jerry Lee Lewis played with his feet:

https://youtu.be/h90cfSZ65sg?t=153

That's him as an old man too. Look at him in the 50s.

I deliberately picked Peterson because I wasn't trying to pick the best improviser or best anything really, just a guy I enjoy listening to. Tatum isn't classical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152483)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:34 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

when you brought up peterson and lewis that moved the conversation out of the scope of classical

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152535)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:41 PM
Author: High-end indirect expression property

Only if you read those names in isolation and didn't read the other words I wrote. I just want to know how normal it is to play with your feet and not have it sound like shit while ur also screaming and makin women cum with your voice. Does the Suzuki method teach that shit? Also why was a black dood from Canada playing piano, let alone like that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152556)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:20 PM
Author: High-end indirect expression property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152490)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:12 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

(Retarded schizo Jew)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152473)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:34 PM
Author: Hilarious range

Thoughts on Andras Schiff?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152534)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:50 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

I don't spend a lot of time thinking about that pretentious and boring keyboard kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152583)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:16 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

He is top 5-10 for Bach. That is his main focus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176229)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:35 PM
Author: crusty school stock car

Thoughts on Gergely Bogányi? Saw him live 7 years ago and he absolutely blew me away

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152539)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:39 PM
Author: Sexy mentally impaired theatre

If we count Harpsichord it’s Pierre Hantaï easily not even close

Distant 2nd is Gould but his audio recordings are sps mostly for some reason (one of the few things TBF is cr about tbf)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152553)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:45 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Yeah and if we count French Horn, then it's Dennis Brain easily not even close. Whew, this is getting really complicated!

...good thing that OP carefully specified "pianists," and therefore we aren't talking about any other instruments which aren't "the piano" ITT.

Retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152564)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:50 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

cr why is XO always like this. "I would rather talk about the adjacent topic where I can comfortably deliver a hackneyed Dunning-Kruger opinion."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152584)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

"Oh well I mean yes, certainly Hofmann was exceptional in many ways, but [since I'm not really prepared to discuss his discography but I want to participate in this thread to show off without having to risk revealing that] in the realm of *the pipe organ*..."

Just shut the fuck up faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152585)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:54 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

I mean Marcel Dupré was a legend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152591)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:58 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

Here's an acoustic recording of Widor playing his famous "Toccata" on the organ for which he composed it at the age of 88 in April 1932, just one year before he finally retired and let Dupre replace him as titular organist at Saint-Sulpice after an unprecedented tenure of 63 years holding down the fort:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8vz1D_L_OE&ab_channel=GrandCorps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152606)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:06 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

This stuff is just so insane to me, I can wrap my head around it theoretically, but I can't imagine rendering it in real time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOKStTk408&list=PLC1CD0225C2AFD6E5&index=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152630)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:18 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

If you weren't so busy being a faggot about Gould upthread, I would share some anecdotes about how he used to go exercise his ears/mind by sitting down in the middle of random restaurants in Toronto with two or three notebooks and a pen in each hand, and then spend an hour or so eavesdropping on multiple conversations that were going on in different booths around him while furiously transcribing all them verbatim simultaneously using stenographer's shorthand.

Source: Lukas Foss (who watched him do it a few times while they were out at dinner together) once told me about it and showed me one of the notebooks he had kept as a souvenir. Incidentally, Foss himself was a sniveling beta little third-tier kike composer whom Gould literally cucked, and by all accounts Foss loved every minute of it. Some things never change...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152671)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:20 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Well maybe if after exercising his independence of audiation he exercised his competence of articulation...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152682)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:21 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

(Actual gay and retarded jet black Congo nigger w/ AIDS)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152683)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:23 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

I will never not be Yosemite Sam Fuming Faggot Mad at the old Tonebase piano Jew equating "cantabile" to "Romantic-style 100% legato"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152691)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:25 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

*Unzips*

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152693)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:26 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

Get a load of this horsesh*t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCm6033JvM&t=38s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152697)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:29 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

*bloodpressure skyrocketing*

This is the only good thing "Tonebase" has ever done IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OAK7uIvAHA&ab_channel=tonebasePiano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152702)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:39 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

I remember that coming across my feed and not getting the joke until halfway through the video. Partially because the last Hanon exercise could conceivably be spun into a concert etude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152729)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: buff galvanic corner deer antler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYpO6M-LyY8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152736)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:11 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XLbOw6WLS0&ab_channel=The92ndStreetY%2CNewYork

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152802)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:04 AM
Author: buff galvanic corner deer antler

180!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47153144)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:05 PM
Author: appetizing tripping ticket booth

this sounds like the idea of north! gould is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152789)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:01 PM
Author: boyish location headpube

his improvisation manual is honestly invaluable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152617)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:22 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

improvisation you need to study harmony and have good intuition, quick reflexes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176238)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:15 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

harpsichord is played by very few musicians who are often purists (believe that music should be played on their original instruments). Close to none of them are as talented as the top pianists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176226)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:05 PM
Author: zippy giraffe prole

What about Van Cliburn!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152627)



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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:14 PM
Author: thriller snowy fat ankles internal respiration

To be fair,

(Boomer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152652)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:17 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

Not a top 100 pianist IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176232)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:44 PM
Author: Big Rehab Patrolman

can anyone here span 10ths?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155491)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:53 PM
Author: bateful parlour mexican

not me, stumpy fingers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155520)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:03 PM
Author: Big Rehab Patrolman

me neither. while playing I can only hit *some* 9ths....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155557)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:06 PM
Author: appetizing tripping ticket booth

i've got large hands and can do it, but i can't really play the instrument. prestigious?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155566)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 8:22 AM
Author: Big Rehab Patrolman

Unfortunately, no. I can stretch to a 10th while not playing

you can span eflat to g an octave up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176161)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:10 PM
Author: Aromatic pungent public bath faggot firefighter

here in Brussels, 2 pianists reign supreme:

Krystian Zimerman and Daniel Barenboim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155574)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:13 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

Daniel Barenboim is a better conductor than pianist IMO. As a pianist he is maybe top 50-100. He was/is a child prodigy/genius/savant....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176224)



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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:20 PM
Author: orange hairraiser preventive strike

thoughts on yunchan lim?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155585)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:14 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

Not familiar with the new generation of Asian pianists. Most of them are very technically capable and I'm sure some of them are good all around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176225)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 1:38 PM
Author: orange hairraiser preventive strike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvKQKnIVy1I

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176978)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:19 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

None of the Asian talents can rise to the level of the famous generation of European pianists because classical music is a foreign language to them. They are still strivers and are often technically sound.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176234)



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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:23 AM
Author: metal idea he suggested

what's more important is what interval you can stretch your penis to so the black jazz musicians are the real winners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176239)