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My ranking of top classical pianists
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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:43 PM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe Used to be a classical pianist till I burned out (wasn't good enough)
1. Richter 2. Horowitz 3. Pollini 4. Kissin 5. Argerich |
Date: December 9th, 2023 6:47 PM Author: Hateful carnelian tank legend i used to play the piano a lot and know the big names. only one on this list that makes sense is Richter.
Horowitz is too flashy and lacks depth
Pollini too mechanical
Kissin way way way too autistic
Argerich -- simply can't stand her Prokofiev |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:50 PM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe these are from my generation. There are new talents like Trifonov. Most overrated pianist is Arrau.
Other good pianists: Schiff Sokolov Ashkenazy |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:59 PM Author: Hateful carnelian tank legend the "new talents" are too plentiful and diluted this century. there won't be many new big, standout names probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152211) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:50 PM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe Listen to younger Pollini play Chopin etudes. It's sublime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152187) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 6:54 PM Author: Hateful carnelian tank legend Pollini is great for 20th century work (Stravinsky, Stockhausen, et al). don't like him for older music. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152199) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:18 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe His Chopin etudes are very special if you have a deeper understand of the sheet music and technical challenges (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176233) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 1:48 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
No they aren't.
SOURCE: I have "a deeper understanding of the sheet music and technical challenges." |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:52 PM Author: Excitant senate my Van Cliburn competitor teacher LOVED argerich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152388) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:04 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Argerich is one of the best around today and obviously one of the all time GOAT female pianists, but she's not Top 5 All Time material IMO. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:02 PM Author: Flickering Stimulating Telephone in what way is kissin "autistic" or bad? he often plays tempo rubato -- but i appreciate his unique interpretations. he's great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152783) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:18 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Sokolov is my #1, anyone who can perform baroque on the piano tolerably is a special talent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152263) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:03 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
(Glenn Gould) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:05 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Gould sucks and Bach on pianoforte is sacrilege for all but Sokolov (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152448) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:06 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
(Dumb chink who doesn't even have proper nosebones) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:28 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry (smart chink with elegant, refined nose) actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152509) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:40 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Defend your claim that Sokolov > Gould in Bach on the piano, if you can. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:48 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry I don't like Sokolov on Bach either. It's Rameau that he makes work, somehow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152573) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:54 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Rate Wanda Landowska or gtfo |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:58 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Bach on piano is 152, and most harpsichordists play with a Romantic pianistic technique that ruins it anyway. I rate her Jewish |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:59 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
I totally disagree with your first point, I somewhat agree with your second point, and I wholeheartedly endorse your third point even if you're just pandering. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:01 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Baroque fingerings or death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152616) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:02 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
(Faggot academic demanding that we play Beethoven sonatas on shitty c. 1820s Broadwood pianos) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:07 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Guilty as charged. That "Chopin on Period Instruments" comp was pretty good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152632) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:14 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Lmao I was considering invoking that one too... goddammit it chinks, why are you people like this?! |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:17 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Tbf I still have a soft spot for more Romantic interpretations of orchestral music like Karl Richter's Mass in B Minor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9F73uNovr4&list=PLJcuQ6Eht9DHta_VFnxHQY3y_U5SXa01y |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:58 PM Author: Flickering Stimulating Telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152775) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:37 PM Author: Rough-skinned Bronze Spot Gould is potus but all the mixing and recording leveling I’ve heard sounds fucking awful
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:30 PM Author: vivacious reading party (Keith Jarrett) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152708) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:39 PM Author: Excitant senate LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152726) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:41 PM Author: Out-of-control point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152734) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:10 PM Author: Flickering Stimulating Telephone no idea why you're talking trash about GG itt unless it's just for attention, but i like Sokolov playing a lot of Bach too, like the art of fugue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152798) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:26 PM Author: Lavender fiercely-loyal stag film Piano mastermen, where does Seongjin Cho fit in this discussion? He came to play at my alma mater once and i was impressed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152299) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:26 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Technically Competent And Musically Boring Indistinguishable Gookbot Bowlcut Pianist #9873790 |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:08 AM Author: Sapphire Hairless University Windowlicker he's more musical than he is technical. he doesn't even think his technique is that great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47153145) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:42 PM Author: vivacious reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155482) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:49 PM Author: motley navy area water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155509) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:20 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe insert generic asian piano robot number 1000 practicing machine. Most of them are technically sound and here and there the interpretation is interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176236) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:50 PM Author: Shimmering Dysfunction Becky counterpoint, this chick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzWDs26YL9Y (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152375) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:51 PM Author: Excitant senate pleasantly surprised to see richter at #1.
but list needs more kempf and brendel |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:53 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Here's the definitive list of GOAT classical pianists in history, limiting the discussion to only those pianists who left behind a sufficiently large recorded legacy to make educated assessments:
1. Josef Hofmann (Rachmaninoff agreed with this) 2. Sergei Rachmaninoff (Hofmann always said Rachmaninoff was #1 and he was #2) 3. Sviatoslav Richter 4. Josef Lhevinne (this is borderline -- he left behind some amazing recordings but it's a pretty small and non-diverse pool of material) 5. Dinu Lipatti (perhaps unfairly penalized for dying very young, but that's the way it goes -- he might have been higher up on the list if he had lived another decade or two)
Honorable Mentions: Gould (in Bach only), Gyorgy Cziffra (in Liszt only), Horowitz (in a subset of Romantic literature only), Leopold Godowsky, Ignaz Friedman, Moriz Rosenthal, maaaaaybe Alfred Cortot in his younger years but that's hard to say with certainty. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:55 PM Author: Excitant senate thoughts on Schnabel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152404) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 7:56 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Grossly overrated Jew flame, and I say that after having put a Jew at the #1 spot on my own list. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:45 PM Author: Sapphire Hairless University Windowlicker Cziffra's Chopin Etudes are exceptional. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152566) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:48 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
I agree, and Gould (for example) was actually pretty fantastic at a lot of 20th Century music.
My parentheticals are slight oversimplifications, but the point is that Gould was Gould because of his Bach, and Cziffra was Cziffra because of his Liszt, notwithstanding the fact that they were both musical geniuses who also did some other things very very well. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:03 PM Author: Provocative aqua volcanic crater nibblets thoughts on zimerman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152441) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:09 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
He's very solid but not in the GOAT discussion. Same for Murray Perahia. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:11 PM Author: Comical mexican space Are any of them actually better or more talented than Oscar Peterson or Jerry Lee Lewis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152469) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:12 PM Author: Excitant senate tatum blows both of them out if the water. truth is that improvisers belong in a higher category (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152472) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:16 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Yes to the former, "meh it's more complicated than that" to the latter.
On my list above, we know that all of the "Golden Age" classical pianists were excellent improvisers (because it was expected at that time) and we actually have some recordings where Hofmann improvises. Obviously Rachmaninoff was a next-level improviser, as are all basically all top-tier composers.
Here's a video of Cziffra improvising that matches Tatum in both virtuosity and creativity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVOcF-Fz2tY&ab_channel=Carrut
Incidentally, Cziffra was also an excellent Jazz pianist who grew up playing in Jazz cafes in Hungary.
I have never heard Richter improvise and I'm not aware of reports that he did it, but I'm sure it was within his ability to do so. And even if he never chose to develop that skillset, it doesn't take away anything from the fact that he is easily a Top 5 All Time contender. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:32 PM Author: Excitant senate "higher" was probably the wrong way to put it. but in the 20th century, the skillsets have diverged. comparing someone performing Chopin to someone soloing with a jazz combo does a disservice to both IMO. classical musicians are now expected to adequately perform music going back to Bach, i dont really blame them for not developing their improvisation if they arent composers tommy flanagan accompanied ella fitzgerald for years... thats something that takes remarkable skill, but doesnt align with the metrics we use for classical pianist |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:43 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
I actually do blame classical musicians for focusing entirely on the recreative element of their art and abandoning the creative (not just interpretively but musically) element. The wholesale death of that skillset has turned modern classical music into a dead art in a way that was absolutely not the case 100 years ago.
I think that gets to the heart of what you're saying -- it's the difference between part of a living tradition and being a master of a functionally dead tradition. And I agree with that distinction as a fundamental dividing line. I was just taking issue with the suggestion that it cleaves down to "Jazz pianists vs. Classical pianists" in the context of this thread, because almost every GOAT classical pianist contender I listed above was a first rate improviser and a part of a living tradition. |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:12 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe Very few classical pianists improvise. Improvisation is more of a jazz concept. Classical you play the sheet music. Very few even compose pieces. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176221) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:17 PM Author: Comical mexican space Jerry Lee Lewis played with his feet:
https://youtu.be/h90cfSZ65sg?t=153
That's him as an old man too. Look at him in the 50s.
I deliberately picked Peterson because I wasn't trying to pick the best improviser or best anything really, just a guy I enjoy listening to. Tatum isn't classical. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:34 PM Author: Excitant senate when you brought up peterson and lewis that moved the conversation out of the scope of classical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152535) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:41 PM Author: Comical mexican space Only if you read those names in isolation and didn't read the other words I wrote. I just want to know how normal it is to play with your feet and not have it sound like shit while ur also screaming and makin women cum with your voice. Does the Suzuki method teach that shit? Also why was a black dood from Canada playing piano, let alone like that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152556) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:20 PM Author: Comical mexican space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152490) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:12 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
(Retarded schizo Jew) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:34 PM Author: Trip sneaky criminal Thoughts on Andras Schiff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152534) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:50 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
I don't spend a lot of time thinking about that pretentious and boring keyboard kike. |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:16 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe He is top 5-10 for Bach. That is his main focus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176229) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:35 PM Author: Bespoke bawdyhouse Thoughts on Gergely Bogányi? Saw him live 7 years ago and he absolutely blew me away (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152539) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:39 PM Author: Rough-skinned Bronze Spot If we count Harpsichord it’s Pierre Hantaï easily not even close
Distant 2nd is Gould but his audio recordings are sps mostly for some reason (one of the few things TBF is cr about tbf) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:45 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Yeah and if we count French Horn, then it's Dennis Brain easily not even close. Whew, this is getting really complicated!
...good thing that OP carefully specified "pianists," and therefore we aren't talking about any other instruments which aren't "the piano" ITT.
Retard. |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:50 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry cr why is XO always like this. "I would rather talk about the adjacent topic where I can comfortably deliver a hackneyed Dunning-Kruger opinion." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152584) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:51 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
"Oh well I mean yes, certainly Hofmann was exceptional in many ways, but [since I'm not really prepared to discuss his discography but I want to participate in this thread to show off without having to risk revealing that] in the realm of *the pipe organ*..."
Just shut the fuck up faggot |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:54 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry I mean Marcel Dupré was a legend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152591) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 8:58 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
Here's an acoustic recording of Widor playing his famous "Toccata" on the organ for which he composed it at the age of 88 in April 1932, just one year before he finally retired and let Dupre replace him as titular organist at Saint-Sulpice after an unprecedented tenure of 63 years holding down the fort:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8vz1D_L_OE&ab_channel=GrandCorps |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:06 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry This stuff is just so insane to me, I can wrap my head around it theoretically, but I can't imagine rendering it in real time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOKStTk408&list=PLC1CD0225C2AFD6E5&index=2 |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:18 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
If you weren't so busy being a faggot about Gould upthread, I would share some anecdotes about how he used to go exercise his ears/mind by sitting down in the middle of random restaurants in Toronto with two or three notebooks and a pen in each hand, and then spend an hour or so eavesdropping on multiple conversations that were going on in different booths around him while furiously transcribing all them verbatim simultaneously using stenographer's shorthand.
Source: Lukas Foss (who watched him do it a few times while they were out at dinner together) once told me about it and showed me one of the notebooks he had kept as a souvenir. Incidentally, Foss himself was a sniveling beta little third-tier kike composer whom Gould literally cucked, and by all accounts Foss loved every minute of it. Some things never change... |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:20 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Well maybe if after exercising his independence of audiation he exercised his competence of articulation... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152682) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:21 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
(Actual gay and retarded jet black Congo nigger w/ AIDS) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:23 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry I will never not be Yosemite Sam Fuming Faggot Mad at the old Tonebase piano Jew equating "cantabile" to "Romantic-style 100% legato" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152691) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:25 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
*Unzips*
Link? |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:26 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry Get a load of this horsesh*t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCm6033JvM&t=38s |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:29 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
*bloodpressure skyrocketing*
This is the only good thing "Tonebase" has ever done IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OAK7uIvAHA&ab_channel=tonebasePiano |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:39 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry I remember that coming across my feed and not getting the joke until halfway through the video. Partially because the last Hanon exercise could conceivably be spun into a concert etude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152729) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:42 PM Author: Sapphire Hairless University Windowlicker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYpO6M-LyY8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152736) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:11 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XLbOw6WLS0&ab_channel=The92ndStreetY%2CNewYork |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 12:04 AM Author: Sapphire Hairless University Windowlicker 180! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47153144) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 10:05 PM Author: Flickering Stimulating Telephone this sounds like the idea of north! gould is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152789) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:01 PM Author: Excitant senate his improvisation manual is honestly invaluable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152617) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:22 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe improvisation you need to study harmony and have good intuition, quick reflexes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176238) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:15 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe harpsichord is played by very few musicians who are often purists (believe that music should be played on their original instruments). Close to none of them are as talented as the top pianists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176226) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:05 PM Author: exciting balding azn What about Van Cliburn! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47152627) |
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Date: December 9th, 2023 9:14 PM Author: Out-of-control point To be fair,
(Boomer) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:17 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe Not a top 100 pianist IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176232) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:44 PM Author: vivacious reading party can anyone here span 10ths? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155491) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 6:53 PM Author: vengeful cuckoldry not me, stumpy fingers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155520) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:03 PM Author: vivacious reading party me neither. while playing I can only hit *some* 9ths.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155557) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:06 PM Author: Flickering Stimulating Telephone i've got large hands and can do it, but i can't really play the instrument. prestigious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155566) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 8:22 AM Author: vivacious reading party Unfortunately, no. I can stretch to a 10th while not playing
you can span eflat to g an octave up? |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:10 PM Author: cyan stubborn forum idea he suggested here in Brussels, 2 pianists reign supreme: Krystian Zimerman and Daniel Barenboim |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:13 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe Daniel Barenboim is a better conductor than pianist IMO. As a pianist he is maybe top 50-100. He was/is a child prodigy/genius/savant.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176224) |
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Date: December 10th, 2023 7:20 PM Author: Provocative aqua volcanic crater nibblets thoughts on yunchan lim? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47155585) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:14 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe Not familiar with the new generation of Asian pianists. Most of them are very technically capable and I'm sure some of them are good all around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176225) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 1:38 PM Author: Provocative aqua volcanic crater nibblets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvKQKnIVy1I (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176978) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:19 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe None of the Asian talents can rise to the level of the famous generation of European pianists because classical music is a foreign language to them. They are still strivers and are often technically sound. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176234) |
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Date: December 16th, 2023 9:23 AM Author: Twinkling multi-colored box office sweet tailpipe what's more important is what interval you can stretch your penis to so the black jazz musicians are the real winners (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5457843&forum_id=2#47176239) |