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advice on using valium to get off of booze
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:17 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I'm cutting back over the next week and will go from an amount that would absolutely cause withdrawals if you just stopped, I've probably got enough valium to last a week, should I save it for the very end or gradually add it to the mix? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821791) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:19 PM Author: arrogant double fault Wait at least 3 days after you stop. Day 2 or 3 will be a period of feeling ok...then the exciting part starts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821804) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:19 PM Author: Erotic Stain State explain further (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821808) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:24 PM Author: arrogant double fault You will feel anxious almost immediately. Then you'll chill a bit. Then you will feel like someone is sitting on your chest and twisting your insides, won't be able to sit still, will start sweating, and will start to hear and see things. Never used valium...used phenobarbital, benzos, and ativan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821823) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:25 PM Author: Erotic Stain State isn't the taper supposed to ease that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821826) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:29 PM Author: arrogant double fault If you have enough. The detox usually takes 6 days or so and the doses are pretty high the first 2 or 3. Don't plan on working for a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821836) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:44 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I was gonna break 5 mg pills in half and start with two a day then go from there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821895) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:47 PM Author: arrogant double fault Best of luck bro. I don't know shit about Valium dosing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821906) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 10:37 PM Author: Glittery Ivory Regret ^^^this dude is trying to kill you - seizure risk peaks between 12-36 hours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822715) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 10:46 PM Author: Erotic Stain State yeah I thought pretty much all withdrawal happens fast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822743) |
Date: July 8th, 2024 6:18 PM Author: Honey-headed cracking roast beef parlor Valium is so 180. How did you cop? I need a prescription. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821799) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:18 PM Author: Erotic Stain State just have some leftovers from a friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821802) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:18 PM Author: Drunken garrison I’ve not done this but seems like you should only take it if you start experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Don’t take preventatively
How much have you been drinking |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:19 PM Author: Erotic Stain State a lot, I will certainly have at least some level of withdrawal, sweats and the like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821807) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:20 PM Author: Concupiscible Nowag Theater Stage How much do you drink (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821810) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:21 PM Author: Erotic Stain State 12 at minimum I guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821813) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:21 PM Author: Concupiscible Nowag Theater Stage 7 days a week? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821814) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:22 PM Author: Erotic Stain State indeed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821815) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:29 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon Godspeed bro. I'm sorry to say that there's no alternative to complete abstinence at this point.
For people who can set their ego aside, AA works miracles. I've seen it firsthand (with some caveats) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:30 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I think I'm immune to such things honestly, I've broken therapists before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821841) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon Standby 1. I'm gonna find the perfect description of you in the Big Book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821857) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon So our troubles, we think, are basically of our own making. They arise out of ourselves, and we are an extreme example of self-will run riot, though we usually don’t think so. Above everything else we… must be rid of selfishness. We must or it kills us! God makes that possible. And there often seems no way of entirely getting rid of self without His aid. Many of us had moral and philosophical convictions galore, but we could not live up to them even though we would have liked to. Neither could we reduce our self-centeredness much by wishing or trying on our own power. We had to have God’s help.
This is the how and why of it. First of all, we had to quit playing God. It didn’t work. Next we decided that hereafter in this drama of life, God was going to be our director. He is the Principal; we are His agents. He is Father and we are His children. Most good ideas are simple, and this concept was the keystone of the new and triumphant arch through which we passed to freedom. |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:42 PM Author: Erotic Stain State but see William James "dead options" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821884) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:45 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon a true alcoholic's path ends with sobriety, jail, institutions, or death, my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821896) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:45 PM Author: Erotic Stain State well everyone's path ends in death, the manner is the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821898) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:47 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon and the stops along the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821912) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 10:34 PM Author: Glittery Ivory Regret But if you’re still drinking you’re exactly the type who ends up at aa as their absolute last resort. You’re just not ready. You still have too much good in your life. Hope you don’t die because of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822707) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:36 PM Author: Drunken garrison Are you an expert on alcoholism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821861) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:38 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon Let's just say I know a thing or two on the topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821869) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:32 PM Author: Concupiscible Nowag Theater Stage Yeah that’s bad, ur gonna die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821846) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:35 PM Author: Erotic Stain State nah, got checked out recently and I am weathering things well, was honest with the doctor and he looked at my numbers and wasn't all that worried (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821859) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:22 PM Author: Drunken garrison Benzos are pretty bad I think. Why not just do a taper with booze? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821816) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I am but valium is widely used to ease the transition (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821819) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:07 PM Author: Flickering Electric Gas Station Yet another reason why I will never listen to your stockpicks again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821972) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: Buff Lettuce Mediation I’m sorry you’re going through this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821864) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:38 PM Author: Erotic Stain State small price to pay for decades of degeneracy, I should be dead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821870) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:48 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon no you shouldn't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821915) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:50 PM Author: Erotic Stain State oh I absolutely should, this is bonus time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821921) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:53 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon Almost without exception, alcoholics are tortured by loneliness. Even before our drinking got bad and people began to cut us off, nearly all of us suffered the feeling that we didn’t quite belong. AS BILL SEES IT, p. 90 |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:54 PM Author: Erotic Stain State self medicating behavior? you don't say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821930) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:54 PM Author: Drunken garrison If this is a rule im an exception. I don’t give a shit about belonging (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821932) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:57 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon nah, you missin' me, man. That's the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821943) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:45 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon cr it's a bitch fwiu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821899) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:56 PM Author: razzmatazz antidepressant drug I never tried tapering by self-dosing, but it took a fucking elephant-killing dosage of benzos to keep me from DTing to death once I was in the hospital — I have very few memories of this, so I assume I was mostly unconscious. Seems really hard to gauge yourself, not quite like an eye seeing itself problem but something along those lines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821936) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:58 PM Author: henna box office it was 180. i've got some pics saved with my dick in your mouth i'm ready to deploy for blackmail purposes when the need arises. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47821949) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:13 PM Author: razzmatazz antidepressant drug I truly don’t even want to know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822007) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 6:57 PM Author: henna box office alcohol is poison. i probably drink more than healthy but seeing my dad and many close friends go down a dark pipeline keeps me from going whole hog. i do one or two nodrink months a year to reset.
i've heard good things about naltrexone. epah's advice about aa is good. talking to former alcoholics is great. there's not one recovered alcoholic that feels worse being off the sauce. contrast that with something like heroin where life is so good on it that it seems bland in contrast. alcoholism is just a vicious cycle of feelings like shit all the time.
benzos are a bad idea. they don't even prescribe that shit to alcoholics. you need to taper and stop. talk to an addiction doctor, there are some things like naltrexone that may help. but exchanging one hyper addictive substance for another is cope. people on harder stuff try that all the time. "i'll just quit drugs with drugs!" |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:15 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I only have access to this very limited supply so further addiction isn't even an option, and I've mixed benzos with booze plenty of times, for some reason benzos don't call to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822012) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:15 PM Author: Flickering Electric Gas Station Xanax is another world friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822015) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:17 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I have done plenty of xanax too, as with coke, I just do not crave it, easy to put down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822022) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:24 PM Author: Flickering Electric Gas Station Nicotine greatly helps friend
A patch/vapes/zyn?
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:25 PM Author: Erotic Stain State oh I pound zyn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822049) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:27 PM Author: Flickering Electric Gas Station Take more. Proven to reduce DTs. Serious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822055) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:28 PM Author: Erotic Stain State not a problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822062) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:37 PM Author: henna box office you're a smart guy, online, and i assume decently well off. if you became addicted, you'd find a way to get them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822106) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:39 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I've done plenty of benzos in the past and not had a problem, I do not think 6 valium are going to be the end of me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822120) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:42 PM Author: henna box office 6 valium aren't enough to taper you off booze. what i'm saying is don't rely (too much) on replacing one drug for another. i'm prescribed xanax so i'm not some anti-benzo guy. i'm just advocating caution. if you're drinking 12 a day you'd need a lot of benzos to have a material effect on tapering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822127) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:44 PM Author: Erotic Stain State in past days when cutting back down from a worse binge it didn't seem to take much to make a pretty good difference, and it isn't like I'm waking up totally shaking or anything too crazy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822131) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:45 PM Author: henna box office well it seems like you're on the right track then. i thought you were asking for advice on tapering with more than 6 valium. taking one a night while tapering is obviously fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822136) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:46 PM Author: Flickering Electric Gas Station Xanax at night, zyns in the morning
Problem solved |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: Flickering Electric Gas Station Any benzo should help, but you need to take it conservatively. Valium is bad for this as you have to work
Xanax on the other hand... |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:15 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I don't have to do shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822013) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:21 PM Author: Naked lodge 12 a day doesn't seem that bad. What you really don't want is a benzo withdrawal though. So only take enough to take the edge off, don't ever exceed a limit you set for yourself after you build a tolerance, and start tapering off the benzos as soon as you're able. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822031) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:22 PM Author: Erotic Stain State I am hard limited to a week of pretty low doses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822035) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:25 PM Author: cream hall Cr I've done a 12 pack a night since college and am healthy. I eat well and hit the heavy bag every day though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822048) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:26 PM Author: Erotic Stain State how old are you though? I made it a long time this way, and the last week bumped up enough to bother me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822054) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 9:10 PM Author: cream hall 40 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822451) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 8:06 PM Author: Ruddy unholy dragon How many stores in your standard route? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822201) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 9:11 PM Author: cream hall Just one that gets my favorite beers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822458) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 9:55 PM Author: contagious ticket booth wagecucks I have to stop drinking. I'm so sick of always feeling sick. This thread is awesome, thank you. |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 10:35 PM Author: Glittery Ivory Regret Ah, I thought you got sober. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822712) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 2:33 PM Author: contagious ticket booth wagecucks Negative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47824557) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 10:32 PM Author: Glittery Ivory Regret Bro, I have detoxed with severe DTs many times. If you have Valium you are in good shape.
1. Finish the alcohol and tie one off, enjoy it. 2. Take a Valium four hours after your last drink. Go to sleep and sleep as long as you can. 3. Take more Valium every 12 hours for 72 hours. 4. You are now sober. Go to a meeting and change your life.
DO NOT take Valium and drink. The Valium is for detoxing. If you do it right you will have three days of amazing sleep. |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 10:48 PM Author: Erotic Stain State my plan is to cut back to a six pack over the next few days, maybe ride that for a few more, then over 3 days cut back to zero and hit the valium
would I be better off just dropping from 6 to stone cold and just living with it? |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 11:30 PM Author: stimulating onyx stage I tapered from 8 a day to 2, by reducing one at a time. Went to 7 beers for a couple weeks. Would only have 7 in the fridge and promised myself no matter what my drunk mind says do NOT drink a warm beer. Worked for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822886) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 11:33 PM Author: Erotic Stain State yeah my plan is to only buy what I intend to drink tomorrow and DO NOT go out for moar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552337&forum_id=2#47822899) |