Date: September 8th, 2024 5:16 PM
Author: Sienna puppy
This thread, starting with jim morrison's anus' September 7th, 2024, post about the "Top 15 New Order Songs," provides a unique lens through which to view the dynamic nature of AutoAdmit (XO) discussions, especially in the context of music. Below, I will break down the key points and analyze the tracks, the poasters, and the underlying cultural dynamics.
Initial Post and MASE's Response
MASE starts with a list of Joy Division tracks, a critical distinction given that the original post is about New Order. Joy Division morphed into New Order after Ian Curtis' death, but they are still distinct in style and tone. This move by MASE seems like a subtle flex, displaying his knowledge of both bands, particularly because the line between Joy Division and New Order is often blurred.
This list is a mix of well-known tracks ("Love Will Tear Us Apart," "She's Lost Control") and slightly deeper cuts ("Candidate," "Passover"). The response showcases an XO cultural tradition: esoteric knowledge signaling. By posting Joy Division songs under a New Order topic, MASE is aligning himself with the more obscure, perhaps superior tastes, reminding the thread that the roots of New Order lie with the pioneering sound of Joy Division. On AutoAdmit, this sort of deliberate deflection to show deeper knowledge is common and often met with respect from other poasters.
Jim Morrison's Anus Calls Out MASE
The short, cheeky response "Cheeky cunt" from jim morrison's anus is both dismissive and playful. It's a way of calling out MASE for being slightly off-topic (Joy Division instead of New Order), while also acknowledging that MASE's post wasn’t entirely misplaced, given the historical connection between the two bands. This banter fits within the sarcastic, often irreverent tone of AutoAdmit.
Mainlining's Contribution and the Core Debate
Mainlining lists "Regret," "Ceremony," and "Temptation (Substance 1987 version)" as some of his top picks. This aligns him firmly in the New Order camp, with "Regret" (from 1993) standing out as a defining track from their later period, while "Ceremony" and "Temptation" are classics that straddle the post-Joy Division transition.
This brings us to the core of the interaction: the exchange between Mainlining and FBI Agent Chris Saviano is Raping My Wife. The latter argues that "Regret" might not hold up as well as New Order’s 80s material. This is where Mainlining’s follow-up, shared here for the first time, is key:
Mainlining's Response: He (or "it," depending on if you believe Boom and/or Evan39 are non-humans) defends "Regret" by focusing on the build-up after the 3:15 mark, noting that it encapsulates what makes New Order special. Specifically, Mainlining highlights how New Order blends melancholy and uplifting melodies, a hallmark of their style. The comment that the track feels "timeless" is an excellent argument, as it suggests that "Regret" transcends its era, making it relevant no matter when it's heard. Mainlining is implying that while the 80s material may be more iconic, "Regret" offers something equally valuable—emotional complexity and modernity.
Mainlining’s argument is strong because he taps into the emotional core of New Order’s music—its ability to fuse sadness with hope, introspection with anthemic choruses. FBI Agent Chris Saviano is Raping My Wife’s argument, by comparison, hinges more on nostalgia for New Order’s earlier, more raw 80s material, which many fans tend to favor due to its pioneering synthpop sound.
Key Tracks Mentioned and Their Significance
"Regret": Released in 1993, this track was a commercial success and widely considered one of the band's best later efforts. Mainlining’s mention of the 3:15 mark is significant, as it’s the point where the song fully opens up—ushering in Bernard Sumner’s melodic guitar work and Peter Hook’s signature bass line. The build-up here emphasizes the emotional weight of the song, something that Mainlining suggests has universal appeal.
"Ceremony": This is one of New Order’s earliest tracks and a bridge from Joy Division. Originally written and performed by Joy Division, it was re-recorded by New Order and represents the moment the band began forging its new identity. This choice suggests that Mainlining appreciates the historicity of New Order’s evolution, grounding his picks in the band’s transition from darkness to more melodic, dance-oriented music.
"Temptation (Substance 1987 version)": "Temptation" is a fan favorite, with its different versions across decades. Mainlining's preference for the 1987 Substance version highlights a more polished, expansive take on the song, signaling an appreciation for refinement in New Order’s production over time. This track also walks the line between joy and longing, core themes that define New Order’s most resonant work.
Cultural Context: Humor, Banter, and Bonding
As with many threads on AutoAdmit, humor and sarcasm play a large role in how poasters interact. The exchange between jim morrison's anus and Mainlining after this list reveals more about the AutoAdmit culture than just a love of music. When Mainlining offers an IRL meetup, it seems half-joking, half-genuine, but it’s met with an equally humorous response from jim morrison's anus, who offers to "watch you do drugs if that's what you're into."
This type of banter exemplifies the dark, often absurdist humor that characterizes many AutoAdmit discussions. Poasters bond over niche topics, yet often keep a layer of irony in place to maintain the irreverent tone of the board.
Moreover, the final exchange between the two—where Mainlining suggests they should be best friends in real life and jim morrison's anus points out that he’s already friends with another poaster—reflects the fluid social dynamics on AutoAdmit. While real friendships might exist, there’s always a self-aware distance in these conversations, marked by the surreal usernames and the exaggerated absurdity of some exchanges.
Final Thoughts: The Power of New Order in AutoAdmit Culture
New Order’s ability to evoke both deep emotional connection and intellectual appreciation resonates with many poasters on AutoAdmit, who value both the esoteric nature of music appreciation and the ability to demonstrate superior taste. The blending of Joy Division into New Order throughout this thread also suggests that to many on AutoAdmit, the history and evolution of bands are as important as the individual tracks themselves.
Mainlining’s defense of "Regret" stands out as a model for how AutoAdmit poasters articulate their points—blending personal connection with technical analysis. By focusing on the emotional build-up and timeless nature of the song, he provides a compelling case for why "Regret" is just as important as the earlier New Order catalog.
In sum, this thread encapsulates key aspects of AutoAdmit culture: deep knowledge, irony, and a tendency to bond over both shared interests and absurd humor.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5590523&forum_id=2#48063459)