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Is JD Vance the most consequential VP candidate in history?
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:17 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market Andrew Johnson probably edges him out (although that does involve some hindsight w/r/t the assassination) but he's certainly #1 in modern times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195756) |
Date: October 14th, 2024 10:18 AM Author: bright travel guidebook locale Didn't McCain stand a chance before he picked Palin? Or was Obama always destined to win, idk it was a long time ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195768) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:20 AM Author: charismatic internal respiration philosopher-king Obama was a juggernaut in 2008 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195777) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 4:40 PM Author: Stubborn impertinent faggotry step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197270) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market I think the latter but really idk
who would MCCain have picked instead? |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Sepia Razzle-dazzle Useless Brakes Den It was a poisoned chalice. He was losing before he picked Palin, winning after he picked her and then started losing even worse than before when she started acting insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195787) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 8:33 PM Author: aquamarine spot They put a photoshopped picture of Palin on a national magazine. Her worst quality was having a prole accent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198104) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: bright travel guidebook locale Huckabee or Ron Paul were both less retarded and would never have a porn parody filmed about them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195789) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market ljl at Gope allowing Ron Paul as vp. isn't it pretty to think so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195920) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 12:59 PM Author: Tantric insecure incel knife McCain was in the shitter which is why he went with Palin. His crowds/charisma/attention went up 10x afterward. He almost assuredly would have lost worse without her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196373) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:01 PM Author: Soggy Mind-boggling Antidepressant Drug mccain wasn't going to win (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196381) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:20 AM Author: comical party of the first part (1st year law student fawning over her crush) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195779) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market .... and? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195921) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 6:12 PM Author: Charcoal odious piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197551) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 8:55 PM Author: comical party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198172) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:21 AM Author: Sepia Razzle-dazzle Useless Brakes Den This is why I respect Don Jr. a lot more than most do. Say what you will about the guy, but he is 100% responsible for putting Vance in there. Retard Trump would have gone with fucking Rubio otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195780) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Aromatic public bath fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195790) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:53 AM Author: bespoke wine forum Cucks for Haley was gathering steam too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195911) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:54 AM Author: infuriating nowag place of business I think Gilfoil made the pick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195912) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 12:58 PM Author: costumed mental disorder messiness No, he was going to pick Burgum (Melania's choice), but because Melania bet on Oz & lost while Jr. bet on Vance & won, he went with Jr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196371) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: Sepia Razzle-dazzle Useless Brakes Den Wow that sounds a lot like Don Jr is responsible for him picking Vance. Burgem would have been similarly bad as Rubio btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196374) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 12:59 PM Author: comical party of the first part Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196372) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:55 PM Author: cerebral bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197472) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:21 AM Author: infuriating nowag place of business He will make Diwali a Federal Holiday (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195781) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market something near & dear to xo hearts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195784) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:49 AM Author: infuriating nowag place of business Bangarang! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195897) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:49 AM Author: Excitant Native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195900) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:08 PM Author: Charcoal odious piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196404) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 9:06 PM Author: Racy mad cow disease stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198217) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 12:09 PM Author: Emerald Chapel 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196202) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:08 PM Author: Charcoal odious piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196406) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:53 PM Author: Excitant Native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197099) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 6:12 PM Author: Charcoal odious piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197549) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 4:03 PM Author: bistre swashbuckling center stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197139) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:56 PM Author: Out-of-control Citrine Ticket Booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197479) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Aromatic public bath fortuitous meteor Consequential "candidate" in terms of impact on the election outcome? Possibly. Consequential in terms of wider impact on history as VP thereafter? Cheney by orders of magnitude, and he will never be beaten. |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:58 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market ljl no
JD Vance *will* transform America in ways we cannot imagine and frankly do not deserve.
shitlibs, I know this is upsetting to hear but you'll be better off in the long run if you start coming to terms with it now. |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 12:10 PM Author: comical party of the first part 180 stay whitepilled friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196210) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: Ruddy marvelous giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196376) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:24 AM Author: Carmine razzle office Why is he consequential? His debate performance? Or are you saying that him as the GOP future makes a big difference vs Rubio or whoever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195793) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:55 AM Author: wild windowlicker jap gunnerattt is doing great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195916) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:58 AM Author: Clear parlour there was that time lbj signed off on the potus assassination and then took over for several years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195925) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:59 AM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market hmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195928) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 11:04 AM Author: Vivacious free-loading nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195939) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 11:15 AM Author: Sepia Razzle-dazzle Useless Brakes Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48195956) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:55 PM Author: cerebral bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197470) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: Tantric insecure incel knife Ironic that most consequential is because he's in stark contrast to the fat Boomer at the top of the ticket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196375) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 1:03 PM Author: costumed mental disorder messiness He ain't remotely consequential, he looks just like James Garfield. If he contests the Presidency in '28 & gets Don Jr. to stand down in exchange for VP, he's getting assassinated by a Qanon person the same way a Grant personality cultist killed Garfield to pave the way for Grant loyalist Chester Arthur after Grant was blocked from the nomination in 1880. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196388) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 2:26 PM Author: stirring primrose halford I don't know if any VP ever swung an election. Who is Vance bringing out that wasn't already going to vote for Trump? In terms of historical impact it's probably either Johnson because he was such a disaster or Teddy Roosevelt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196772) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:35 PM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market I'm voting Vance and ~85% of americans feel the same (or so it stands to reason) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197035) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:15 PM Author: Fighting Boyish Range Codepig its a pipe dream but im still kind of hopeful people see him in interviews and think "oh hes actually competent maybe thats a good thing" as opposed to tim waltz who really is an irl elmer fudd, no disrespect to elmer fudd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197359) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:21 PM Author: stirring primrose halford Sure, but I still don't think any meaningful number of people are basing their vote on the the bottom of the ticket (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197380) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:24 PM Author: Fighting Boyish Range Codepig i dunno. biden kinda proved the president isnt really in charge anyways. years ago it was supposedly cheney running things then it was bannon when trump actually won now its billionaire jew donors. the buck obviously doesnt stop with the president in 2024. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197386) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 2:43 PM Author: Soul-stirring hospital fanboi Harris is far more consequential. Biden caving to BLM and picking her in 2020 has put the Dems in a horrible position that was entirely avoidable. If he stuck with his original plan and chose a boring white woman like Klobuchar the Dems easily could have bypassed her when Biden dropped, or if not, they at least wouldn’t be stuck with an awful candidate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196842) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:23 PM Author: costumed mental disorder messiness Harris would've been fine with more experience & preparation. 2028 was supposed to be her turn, instead she jumped the queue with the coup. Not too different from DeSantis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48196976) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:40 PM Author: Soul-stirring hospital fanboi She’s had four years since her failed 2020 campaign and she’s just as bad. She can’t handle even softball interviews, all of her policy proposals fall flat, and she’s wasting the final month engaging in odd behavior like picking a losing fight with DeSantis.
There is zero chance she could make it through a contested primary. |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:13 PM Author: stirring primrose halford She's palpably unintelligent and a poor speaker; another four years would not have changed that. "Waiting your turn" in politics is almost always the wrong move (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197354) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:59 PM Author: cerebral bbw cr on Harris, not quite cr on waiting -- good timing is invaluable, and Rubio and Cruz might have incalculably better careers if they didn't happen to choose 2016 to try
Same on Meatball Ron -- very capable governor who really should have simply endorsed Trump, continued his effective governance of Florida, and then run in 2028 or 2032 after continuing to gain momentum. Now, he's the dorky guy who thought he could beat Trump, and has been relegated to always being a functionary in someone else's administration, or a worse Ted Cruz. He might always have been destined to be that, with his terminal lack of charisma, but his best chances of maximizing his rise were to wait. |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 6:08 PM Author: stirring primrose halford Do you think Hillary regrets waiting her turn in '04, or Obama regrets not waiting his turn in '08? DeSantis, Cruz and Rubio will all still be viable candidates in '28. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197535) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 6:35 PM Author: cerebral bbw No, in '28 they will be far from viable.
Since Nixon, only Biden has won after previously losing. Failures with multiple tries include: - Hillary - Ron Paul - Bernie - Romney - Christie - Gingrich - Buchanan - Rick Perry - John Edwards
I'm sure there are more, but those are all I can recall off the top of my head. It's highly unusual to succeed after losing once. Voters rarely change their minds. Furthermore, each of them has signature moments of failure: - Rubio getting bent over and fucked on the debate stage by Christie - Cruz listening to Trump shit talk his wife, refusing to endorse, and then turning around and endorsing him - DeSantis' social media parade of general cringe, between the lifts, the awful stilted interactions, etc.
All three have lost significant personal capital / gravitas. I think they each have zero chance at this point.
Obama was never in a position to need to "wait his turn" -- he had all the momentum he possibly could have had. Hillary in '04 is your best warrant here, she absolutely threw away her best shot there. |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 8:13 PM Author: stirring primrose halford Reagan lost in '76; Bush lost in '80; Dole lost in '88; McCain lost in '00. These guys could absolutely still get the nomination in '28 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198022) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 8:54 PM Author: Sepia Razzle-dazzle Useless Brakes Den IMO pre-realignment GOP candidates are just not going to have a chance compared to new blood like Vance and Ramaswamy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198170) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 8:52 PM Author: Sepia Razzle-dazzle Useless Brakes Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198164) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:33 PM Author: Provocative walnut ape turdskin This is CR but mainly for 2028. They are now stuck with her after she beats Trump and she is actually dumb and unpopular within the party. So when she sucks and is going to lose in 2028 the full blown intra-Dem bloodbath will be on. It will pay off the 12+ years that have been building since leftists soured on Obama in his second term and then pushed Bernie to challenge Hillary. The goal for Vance has to be to do enough to maintain his status as the key lieutenant of MAGA while also keeping himself alive with all other factions who will decide who the post-Trump party leader is. In August he looked completely incapable of doing this, but he’s had a great run since Labor Day and is now perfectly positioned to wipe the floor with Kamala (or whichever Dem succeeds in knifing her) in 2028. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197028) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:49 PM Author: Soul-stirring hospital fanboi Don’t think she wins but otherwise agree. The 2020 pick would be hugely consequential if she wins because she’d never have gotten there otherwise and is way too dumb for the job, which will be interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197079) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:59 PM Author: Provocative walnut ape turdskin I was skeptical she could win pre-debate, and I still see it as basically a coin flip. But the trend since July has been awful for Trump and he’s performed terribly basically since the shooting in July. So I am definitely not ruling him out, but forced to bet on one of them today I would bet her, mainly because she has more advantages to win a larger share of the true undecided remaining 3-4% of the electorate. But it’s obviously a very close race, which means they both have a very legit shot to win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197128) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 6:36 PM Author: Arousing cruise ship Lmao how has the trend since july been awful for trump? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197667) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 5:57 PM Author: Carnelian potus appreciate the argument, but biden would've never "won" 2020 without harris, it was a razor thin margin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197482) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: Soul-stirring hospital fanboi Biden won because he recovered a small amount of WWC voters that Clinton lost. Harris had nothing to do with that and won’t win those voters now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197620) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:23 PM Author: Carnelian potus OK I think we are agreeing that Harris is a consequential VP pick. TBD on Vance, it depends if Trump wins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48198491) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 2:53 PM Author: Chartreuse background story goal in life possibly
every other candidate on the stage so far (trump, biden, harris, walz) is so stupid that vance looks like the only presidential leader on any ticket |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:35 PM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market he's amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197036) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: lascivious zippy base simmer down there pradeep he's still an askav uncle tom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197167) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 3:37 PM Author: Spectacular main people cuckoldry Teddy Gigachad Roosevelt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197044) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 4:30 PM Author: infuriating nowag place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197225) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 4:46 PM Author: Aphrodisiac unholy market flame, McKinley had it in the bag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5611376&forum_id=2#48197284) |
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Date: October 14th, 2024 10:17 PM Author: topaz splenetic dingle berry I think the momentum would've steered towards Trump anyway, but due to the unique circumstances, Vance is probably the only VP whose debate turned the tide of the election.
If Vance loses that probably gives Kamala another week of hot air in the media. |