Russian propaganda is causing the whole Ukrainian govt to collapse
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 7:43 PM Author: Olive jap chapel
That's what happens when you don't have your propaganda game on Ukrainemos. You can't just sit there and say nothing for three days. Russians are saying you sent all your forces to Bakhmut and left mopes to guard the rear. The US military told you to get out of bakhmut days ago so that's consistent with what Russians are saying. If you're not going to heed our advice you need to explain why it's bad. The ISW's justification is shitty - they said "you can't just abandon bakhmut. *blank stare*" they aren't saying shit about the quality of the men protecting areas to the west.
Even if Russian propaganda is 100% bullshit it's having its intended effect. Big fail by Ukrainian intelligence. What happened to #NAFO?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276455&forum_id=2Firm#45831683) |
Date: January 23rd, 2023 7:54 PM Author: Olive jap chapel
Here's ISW two days ago. Does anyone in Ukraine or elsewhere think this is sound analysis today?
"The Ukrainian defense of Bakhmut is likely a strategically sound effort despite its costs for Ukraine. While the costs associated with Ukraine’s continued defense of Bakhmut are significant and likely include opportunity costs related to potential Ukrainian counter-offensive operations elsewhere, Ukraine would also have paid a significant price for allowing Russian troops to take Bakhmut easily. Bakhmut itself is not operationally or strategically significant but had Russian troops taken it relatively rapidly and cheaply they could have hoped to expand operations in ways that could have forced Ukraine to construct hasty defensive positions in less favorable terrain. One must also not dismiss the seemingly “political” calculus of committing to the defense of Bakhmut lightly—Russian forces occupy more than 100,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory including multiple Ukrainian cities and are inflicting atrocities on Ukrainian civilians in occupied areas. It is not unreasonable for political and military leaders to weigh these factors in determining whether to hold or cede particular population concentrations. Americans have not had to make such choices since 1865 and should not be quick to scorn considerations that would be very real to them were American cities facing such threats."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276455&forum_id=2Firm#45831735) |
Date: January 23rd, 2023 8:33 PM Author: Olive jap chapel
Hungary looking dirty, pretending to care about the treatment of its gypsies by Ukraine at the same time these gypsies are supposed to be holding up the rear.
Imagine you're a Hungarian gypsy forced to fight for Zelensky, and there's no question you're only being put there to draw fire so we can locate Russian artillery. This goes on for a few months.
All of a sudden the POTUS of Hungary is telling Zelensky to go easy on you, stop the abuse. Two days later Russian troops pop up in the city you're supposed to be defending. The government of the city ghosts you the next day. Do you shoot at the Russians or surrender?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276455&forum_id=2Firm#45831911) |
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