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How many of these pre-digital analog things have you done IRL?

1. Used a rotary phone 2. Used a floppy disc 3. Used a typ...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
Every last one. Many times each.
thriller maroon spot factory reset button
  02/25/26
Cr.
Disrespectful Gaming Laptop
  02/25/26
all of them except for typewriter. only rotary phones at gra...
razzle-dazzle fuchsia personal credit line partner
  02/25/26
all of these.
Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab
  02/25/26
uve got to be prole to have not used a paper check at some p...
Claret national security agency
  02/25/26
all of them technically my parents owned the encyclopedia ...
curious up-to-no-good school clown
  02/25/26
180
Fragrant primrose mad cow disease
  02/25/26
all of em this is like the ultimate gen-x/millennial circle ...
azure kitty cat temple
  02/25/26
I saw this list on twitter and some comments were like "...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
some things i haven't used: slide rule, non-powered lawn mow...
azure kitty cat temple
  02/25/26
Marconi machine Cap and ball gun/flintlock musket
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
had to look this up lol have never sent or received a teleg...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
180 ya no one has lol
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
they used to all the time, I'm going to ask my mother I bet ...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
nah I think it was even before your mom's time. I think it w...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
cleaning out my grandparents house, they had a few saved up ...
Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab
  02/25/26
wild. wonder if anyone has ever used a radio that uses tu...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
still have two that i was given by my grandfather. both work...
Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab
  02/25/26
link to the models
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
one looks very much like this: https://www.radiomuseum.or...
Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab
  02/25/26
That's very cool
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
have used a non powered lawn mower have used a dictation re...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
Have you used one of those weird German folding yardstick th...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
have not, have never seen one of those devices in the wild
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
wtf how? the Zollstock is considered essential for every Ger...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
why don't they just use tape measures
azure kitty cat temple
  02/25/26
people have been asking that for a long time. there is some ...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
oh so it's just german autism and self-superiority i mea...
azure kitty cat temple
  02/25/26
when the NHL contracted with the Olympics to have NHL player...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
I pressed play once on my dictation machine and it was me si...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
...
Sapphire den
  02/25/26
prole tell: using a lawn mower of any sort
Claret national security agency
  02/25/26
All except I've never used a Walkman. Must have been before ...
Spruce famous landscape painting market
  02/25/26
All of them. Different world.
Blathering patrolman
  02/25/26
20 for 20
pearly frum trust fund
  02/25/26
All of them many, many times. And I got carded at the gas s...
bistre fluffy theatre
  02/25/26
why are there so many degenerate druggies on xo
Claret national security agency
  02/25/26
19
Misunderstood bateful base volcanic crater
  02/25/26
all of them the real test is 'how many are you still doing ...
Flushed tanning salon chad
  02/25/26
checks, dictionary, encyclopedia, vinyl records. sent a p...
Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab
  02/25/26
21. Owned a manual transmission automobile 22. Called 31...
Disrespectful Gaming Laptop
  02/25/26
all except 21 & 27
Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab
  02/26/26
all
Sapphire den
  02/26/26
it’s 411, not 311. There was the saying “what&rs...
Know-it-all talented candlestick maker cuck
  02/26/26
Cr. I'm wrong. I swear I remember regularly calling 311 tho...
Disrespectful Gaming Laptop
  02/26/26
All, except it's possible I didn't do 12 and 16. I just don'...
Hairraiser crusty hospital
  02/25/26
i dont believe all you people claiming to have used typewrit...
razzle-dazzle fuchsia personal credit line partner
  02/26/26
my uncle had a typewriter and he let me write some things on...
Sapphire den
  02/26/26
we had a typewriter that i played around with for fun as a k...
Hairraiser crusty hospital
  02/26/26
My grandma had a nice IBM selectrix that she'd used to prepa...
Disrespectful Gaming Laptop
  02/26/26
My mom had one. I remember her using it for forms they would...
Claret national security agency
  02/26/26
They're everywhere, if you went to a Liberal Arts College. ...
Adulterous cracking dilemma pistol
  02/26/26
I've done all 20 EXCEPT listen to vinyl
Adulterous cracking dilemma pistol
  02/26/26
I'm 20 for 20. I must be old.
Translucent Senate
  02/26/26
Wtf
Shaky excitant psychic
  02/26/26
every single one except rotary phone and typewriter. i have ...
adventurous vermilion sandwich national
  02/26/26
all of them (I’m 44 btw)
mischievous hell
  02/26/26
Fax machines are still used. I had my hotel send a release f...
Red lodge
  02/26/26
The retarded medical industry still uses them, yes. Very ann...
Claret national security agency
  02/26/26
I used a typewriter until at least 2002. I'm sure you guys u...
Bearded Twinkling Uncleanness Trailer Park
  02/26/26
I'm 23 and I've done all of these lol
federal black rigpig theater
  02/26/26


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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Sapphire den

1. Used a rotary phone

2. Used a floppy disc

3. Used a typewriter

4. Taken photos with a film camera

5. Listened to music on a CD

6. Listened to a cassette tape

7. Listened to a vinyl record

8. Listened to music on a Walkman

9. Listened to music on a boombox outside

10. Watched a video from a VHS tape

11. Sent or received a fax

12. Recorded music from radio to cassette

13. Rented a video from Blockbuster

14. Accessed the internet by dial-up

15. Used a phone book

16. Sent a postcard

17. Used a paper map to get somewhere

18. Owned a dictionary

19. Owned an encyclopedia

20. Paid with a paper check



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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:43 PM
Author: thriller maroon spot factory reset button

Every last one. Many times each.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:16 PM
Author: Disrespectful Gaming Laptop

Cr.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:34 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle fuchsia personal credit line partner

all of them except for typewriter. only rotary phones at grandparents houses.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:36 PM
Author: Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab

all of these.



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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:36 PM
Author: Claret national security agency

uve got to be prole to have not used a paper check at some point in the last, say, 3 years.

some of these are prestigious to do now, like vinyl records, film camera and sending postcards

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:38 PM
Author: curious up-to-no-good school clown

all of them

technically my parents owned the encyclopedia

my grandparents had a rotary phone well into the 90s

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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:46 PM
Author: Fragrant primrose mad cow disease

180

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:41 PM
Author: azure kitty cat temple

all of em this is like the ultimate gen-x/millennial circle jerk list

gotta go further back in time

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:43 PM
Author: Sapphire den

I saw this list on twitter and some comments were like "LOL nobody has done more than 10 of these". I assume it's clickbait. But yeah probably anybody under 40 has done few of these.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5838482&forum_id=2Firm#49695638)



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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: azure kitty cat temple

some things i haven't used: slide rule, non-powered lawn mower, uhhh having trouble coming up with stuff. kind of hard to think of "things you have never used" lol

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:58 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

Marconi machine

Cap and ball gun/flintlock musket

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:00 PM
Author: Sapphire den

had to look this up lol

have never sent or received a telegram



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:00 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

180 ya no one has lol

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: Sapphire den

they used to all the time, I'm going to ask my mother I bet she says "yeah sure back in the day"

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:07 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

nah I think it was even before your mom's time. I think it was gone by WWII. Looks like Western Union still let you do it until 2006 but this seemed really rare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5838482&forum_id=2Firm#49695681)



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:42 PM
Author: Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab

cleaning out my grandparents house, they had a few saved up to the mid-1960s



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:45 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

wild.

wonder if anyone has ever used a radio that uses tube resistors instead of the modern transistor which became widespread I think in the 60s. You can still buy em on craigslist anywhere but they're usually broken and need some kind of turbo autist to fix. Summon OldHLSDude.

Also anyone who has ever recorded anything to 2" magnetic tape Lionel Richie style. Not sure why I just remember Richie talking about tape in an interview once lol. Analog recording console would be interesting too.

Anyone been on a nuclear submarine?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5838482&forum_id=2Firm#49695722)



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:50 PM
Author: Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab

still have two that i was given by my grandfather. both work great. one is some German unit that does not cover the full modern North American FM band which is a bit annoying.



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:52 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

link to the models

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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:00 PM
Author: Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab

one looks very much like this:

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/nordmende_boheme_c.html

not sure on the other one



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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:11 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

That's very cool

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:59 PM
Author: Sapphire den

have used a non powered lawn mower

have used a dictation recording device many, many times

have never used a slide rule

have never listened to music with one of those cartridges they had before cassettes

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:00 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

Have you used one of those weird German folding yardstick things?

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:02 PM
Author: Sapphire den

have not, have never seen one of those devices in the wild

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:04 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

wtf how? the Zollstock is considered essential for every German household. Most people have 10 of em.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:07 PM
Author: azure kitty cat temple

why don't they just use tape measures

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:09 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

people have been asking that for a long time. there is some inherent cultural attachment to the Zollstock. It probably has to do with the size of things measured and mobility. I guess Germans like to walk around in circles with giant foldable yardsticks. Maybe it has to do with cars? Idk. Measuring tape does kind of suck and can be hard to deal with especially with just one person. Maybe they're Right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5838482&forum_id=2Firm#49695682)



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:11 PM
Author: azure kitty cat temple

oh so it's just german autism and self-superiority

i mean cr and based to use your Own Thing simply because its Your Own Thing, even when there are better alternatives. i respect and admire that

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:14 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

when the NHL contracted with the Olympics to have NHL players in the Olympics, the NHL had all the leverage and forced them to build an NHL size rink which is smaller than the Olympic regulation rink, and supposedly causes more scoring and less time spent digging the puck out of the corners. The Italian "Engineers" who built the rink insisted on using the metric system, rounded down, and made a rink that was 13 feet too short and 6 feet too narrow. Because fuck you. Metric system.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:26 PM
Author: Sapphire den



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

I pressed play once on my dictation machine and it was me singing "How to Love" by Lil Wayne. 100% not flame. Sounded pretty good imo.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: Sapphire den



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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:20 PM
Author: Claret national security agency

prole tell: using a lawn mower of any sort

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Date: February 25th, 2026 9:59 PM
Author: Spruce famous landscape painting market

All except I've never used a Walkman. Must have been before my time. I had a CD player that had some kind of anti skip function while you were running.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: Blathering patrolman

All of them. Different world.

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: pearly frum trust fund

20 for 20

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:10 PM
Author: bistre fluffy theatre

All of them many, many times. And I got carded at the gas station tonight buying nicotine. 180!

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:21 PM
Author: Claret national security agency

why are there so many degenerate druggies on xo

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Date: February 25th, 2026 10:43 PM
Author: Misunderstood bateful base volcanic crater

19

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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:03 PM
Author: Flushed tanning salon chad

all of them

the real test is 'how many are you still doing in 2026?'

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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:05 PM
Author: Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab

checks, dictionary, encyclopedia, vinyl records.

sent a postcard a couple years ago to my mother.



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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:16 PM
Author: Disrespectful Gaming Laptop

21. Owned a manual transmission automobile

22. Called 311 for information

23. Used a coin-operated pay phone

24. Regularly arranged events (something with family, friends, a date, etc.) and had to just show up without checking in repeatedly that it was still on

25. Driven to someone’s house and ringing the doorbell without being expected

26. Used a money order (e.g., Western Union)

27. Purchased something on layaway

28. Order from a catalogue

29. Read a hard copy of a hobby magazine

30. Attend a civic meeting

31. Sat quietly in public with no external stimuli, nothing but your own thoughts, while waiting



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Date: February 26th, 2026 12:00 AM
Author: Opaque Irradiated Potus Rehab

all except 21 & 27



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Date: February 26th, 2026 1:27 AM
Author: Sapphire den

all

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Date: February 26th, 2026 6:18 AM
Author: Know-it-all talented candlestick maker cuck

it’s 411, not 311. There was the saying “what’s the 411?”

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Date: February 26th, 2026 9:21 AM
Author: Disrespectful Gaming Laptop

Cr. I'm wrong. I swear I remember regularly calling 311 though. It might have been to report hours for my underage work permit to some municipal/state department?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code

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Date: February 25th, 2026 11:20 PM
Author: Hairraiser crusty hospital

All, except it's possible I didn't do 12 and 16. I just don't remember.

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Date: February 26th, 2026 12:08 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle fuchsia personal credit line partner

i dont believe all you people claiming to have used typewriters unless you mean early word processors

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Date: February 26th, 2026 1:28 AM
Author: Sapphire den

my uncle had a typewriter and he let me write some things on it for fun when I was a kid

now that I think about it so did my grandmother

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Date: February 26th, 2026 2:34 AM
Author: Hairraiser crusty hospital

we had a typewriter that i played around with for fun as a kid

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Date: February 26th, 2026 9:18 AM
Author: Disrespectful Gaming Laptop

My grandma had a nice IBM selectrix that she'd used to prepare our family's genealogy records. I used it to type all of my papers until the 10th grade when the family finally got a PC. I'm in the 40-45 age bracket

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Date: February 26th, 2026 9:20 AM
Author: Claret national security agency

My mom had one. I remember her using it for forms they would otherwise be hand written. You couldn’t do those in an early computer

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Date: February 26th, 2026 9:40 AM
Author: Adulterous cracking dilemma pistol

They're everywhere, if you went to a Liberal Arts College.

Oh, you didn't go to a Liberal Arts College?

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Date: February 26th, 2026 12:22 AM
Author: Adulterous cracking dilemma pistol

I've done all 20 EXCEPT listen to vinyl

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Date: February 26th, 2026 1:33 AM
Author: Translucent Senate

I'm 20 for 20. I must be old.

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Date: February 26th, 2026 2:36 AM
Author: Shaky excitant psychic

Wtf

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Date: February 26th, 2026 2:37 AM
Author: adventurous vermilion sandwich national

every single one except rotary phone and typewriter. i have fucked around on a mechanical typewriter a number of times and my parents had an old one around the house when i was young but never used it for a real task. i did have an electronic 'word processor' that still banged out ink type onto the page.

huge majority of the rest of the list should be near ubiquitous for people starting in late 30s.

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Date: February 26th, 2026 6:30 AM
Author: mischievous hell

all of them (I’m 44 btw)

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Date: February 26th, 2026 6:43 AM
Author: Red lodge

Fax machines are still used. I had my hotel send a release form by fax to a clinic that would not accept email only a few months ago.

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Date: February 26th, 2026 9:19 AM
Author: Claret national security agency

The retarded medical industry still uses them, yes. Very annoying

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Date: February 26th, 2026 7:09 AM
Author: Bearded Twinkling Uncleanness Trailer Park

I used a typewriter until at least 2002. I'm sure you guys used them- there was a time when all rpreprinted forms required this.

But no, sitting and typing a 6 page document no.

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Date: February 26th, 2026 9:27 AM
Author: federal black rigpig theater

I'm 23 and I've done all of these lol

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