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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Multi-colored Snowy Digit Ratio Headpube

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Dun startling dragon queen of the night

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: bateful slap-happy persian

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Dun startling dragon queen of the night

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: bateful slap-happy persian

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Dun startling dragon queen of the night

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Zippy violent knife

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Lascivious dilemma wrinkle



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Aqua Chapel Juggernaut



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Swollen background story

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: alcoholic pisswyrm

cq

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: soul-stirring address

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Zippy violent knife

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: Hello, World!



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: big-titted stubborn selfie

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: burgundy sandwich

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Exhilarant useless love of her life stead

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Gay garrison striped hyena

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Apoplectic university

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: Gay garrison striped hyena

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: https://ibb.co/y3Zp4t6

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Firm#49518563)