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John Derbyshire on the oddity of white guilt

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/why-dont-east-asians-feel-an...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
To be fair, John Derbyshire: "You know, I'll just co...
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vivacious red clown
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bungulator
  11/27/25
not clicking the link but it's obviously because whites have...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Doesn't your hypothesis then imply that Christian Asians are...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
not necessarily because the christianity cult was a jewish s...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Your thesis is that Christianity was a Jewish scam designed ...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
the counter to this is that the christianity scam was primar...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
So let me get this straight. This is a single scam. It has i...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
i did a whole post on this which you avoided and you're free...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Can you link me? I didn't see your other poast. FWIW I te...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
i linked it below
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&mc=1...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Thanks. I don't see why you don't adopt the more plausible h...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
i would argue that my explanation is way more plausible than...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Because Bolshevism wasn't invented until the 20th century an...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
I go into detail about the middle ages in the post i linked....
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
If you can respond to my other critiques I'll read it in mor...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
i mean, "Because Bolshevism wasn't invented until the 2...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
If you want to shift to that level of generality, then Jews ...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
yet the timing and methods and purveyors and the fruit of Ch...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
So your thesis has now morphed and it's about "the tact...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
this is a very jewish response, lol. Christian focus on equ...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
But I thought you said earlier that the equality part laid d...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
the first part was a focus on "spiritual bolshevism&quo...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Oh, how hurtful. It seems to me you read Genealogy of Mo...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
To be fair, "Ya know, the whole concept of 'Jewish p...
Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike
  07/24/22
"The concept of a 'Jewish people,' in the sense an Amer...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
To be fair, I estimate that the max IQ to be "based&...
Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike
  07/24/22
Enlighten me, then, what's the real truth?
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
To be fair, Sit down for this, it's gonna come as a shock...
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Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
And how is that inconsistent with what I said?
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
To be fair, (Morty Cohen)
Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike
  07/24/22
Well if you don't want me to split hairs don't give me so mu...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
lol, its comments like these that make me think AA is jewish...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
Anglo-Irish. I've poasted 23andme, have you?
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
i have not and would not, but even if thats the case, rememb...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
OK but Anglo-Irish are English not Irish. They were not from...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
the anglo-irish have some partial recent british ancestry bu...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
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That's false but also, I invite you to poast your own 23andm...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
  07/24/22
i'm just looking for the truth, buddy. what you've provided...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
(short guy avoiding Q about his own race). Anyway, you ca...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
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communism is a jewish christianity scam cult insofar that it...
anal station
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ted, i like you but you're a christcuck and you're unable to...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
i have my biases, but i think it's important to recognize th...
anal station
  07/24/22
as TBF has pointed out in many threads, please link me *one*...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
if you're worried about race, i honestly don't have anything...
anal station
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whites are people possessing western and central european ge...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
so i'm white? i'm basque and spanish. my grandfather was b...
anal station
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you're a mudblood, is this not obvious? and you look black ...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
this is exactly what i was alluding to in my questioning: th...
anal station
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The whole "Irish/Polish aren't white" thing is mos...
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Cr Sesardic is good on this.
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I just googled him and found this unrelated but excellent ar...
mauve marvelous boistinker shrine
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He's a one man army.
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To be fair, "Based" Ted Beckersted: "Race ...
Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike
  07/24/22
Gotta agree in re the "race isn't real" comment. O...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
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ted is very likeable but yes, he exhibits the same logical f...
Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode
  07/24/22
we can disagree on this and that's fine and i don't harbor a...
anal station
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To be clear, I don't think the metaphysical status of race i...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
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fair enough. i was being flippant, but the deep protectio...
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Being a racist (normative judgment) or tribalistic (similar ...
unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy
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early christianity didn't push worldly equality
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If John Derbyshire has questions about East Asians, why does...
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are there any heroes left for y'all? i like derbyshire (desp...
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Anglin
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I Play Against Pieces
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Fun thread, enjoyed debating, though you two don't much join...
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Date: July 24th, 2022 1:08 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/why-dont-east-asians-feel-anything-like-white-guilt/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44905436)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike

To be fair,

John Derbyshire: "You know, I'll just come out and admit it; I kind of like the East As--"

Everyone: "We know, you fucking dysgenic autistic AGWWG dork."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44905984)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:05 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44905992)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 7:57 PM
Author: vivacious red clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44907281)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 3:13 PM
Author: bungulator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#49466030)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:06 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

not clicking the link but it's obviously because whites have fallen for the jewish christianity scam cult of equality and east asians have not. in the equality cult, any person or group of superiority *must* inevitably feel guilt for their superiority and do what they can to equalize results.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44905994)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Doesn't your hypothesis then imply that Christian Asians are more prone to experiencing racial guilt? I don't think that is true. Look at Koreans in LA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44905998)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:08 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

not necessarily because the christianity cult was a jewish scam designed to destroy rome by hacking the white subconscious, which it succeeded in masterfully. it wasnt really designed with the asian bug culture in mind so they're going to react to the religion differently than the group that the mind virus was designed for.

also, korean christians are still pretty low status so they wouldn't necessarily have the guilt complex at this time anyways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906001)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:12 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Your thesis is that Christianity was a Jewish scam designed to infect the white unconscious / subconscious with guilt.

I object to various assumptions but here's a counterargument.

If your thesis were true, I'd expect early Christians to have more racial guilt than later Christians, since they'd have greater fidelity to the scam.

But we in fact see the opposite pattern: racial equalitarianism doesn't really come to the fore until after the Protestant Reformation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906020)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:15 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

the counter to this is that the christianity scam was primarily designed to destroy the italian/greek pagan belief system which would take down rome (by focusing on spiritual bolshevism that the slaves and underclasses were the moral equals of the roman upper class). once it achieved its primary objective, which took many hundreds of years, it shifted to proselytizing to other out-groups. only after THAT petered out did the full shift to racial bolshevism/equality occur (having fully extinguished pagan beliefs to such an extent that the whole western world identified as christian). but it was built in from day 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906034)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:18 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

So let me get this straight. This is a single scam. It has its roots in a particular time and place. It has tenets and doctrines, which are transmitted over centuries. But the effects of these tenets and doctrines vary with the host. Thus, at first there is a "pagan God destroying" capability that is deployed and then, centuries later, a latent "equality" capability is deployed. But all of this was created at once by evil people (the Jews / a cabal of them) with complete foresight of what they were doing and the effects their ideas would have centuries hence, in vastly different societies with then-uninvented technology.

Is all of that right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906045)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:20 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

i did a whole post on this which you avoided and you're free to respond to. it had over 100 comments in it. the core of the scam is its jewish bolshevik spiritual equality (for believers). everyone is equal so long as they believe in Christ. once it spread everywhere, the belief in equality stayed as its primary tenant and they just dropped the focus on God.

the opposite of Christianity is a belief in inequality and hierarchy, a belief in hatred of out-groups and in the purifying act of war.

of course there should be a balance between the two Apollonian and Dionysian extremes, but we have been tilted toward the former for an extremely long time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906066)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:26 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Can you link me? I didn't see your other poast.

FWIW I tend to agree with you about the Genealogy of Morals part, I just think it is implausible that there was any far-sighted group that intentionally crafted Christianity for subversive purposes. There are constantly people forming similar cults during vision quests and drug trips, etc.

You seem to me to oversimplify a complicated history and to commit the agentic fallacy (in assuming that historical changes must be caused by agents with an intent to effect the change, rather than an agglomeration of circumstance).

Also, I think you give Jews too much credit and too much power. Jews just were not that powerful pre-17th century or so; modern Ashkenazi only arose around that time (with a genetic bottleneck).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906098)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:28 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

i linked it below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906104)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:24 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&mc=120&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906085)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:29 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Thanks. I don't see why you don't adopt the more plausible hypothesis that in the modern era, "model minority" outsider Jews learned to use and manipulate Christian/equalitarian tropes in order to amass wealth, prestige, power, and also pursue other ends (including, for some, demographically replacing gentiles).

If I see a guy throwing rocks at kids, I don't assume that millions of years ago, that guy must have INVENTED the rocks. But that seems to be your logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906109)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:32 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

i would argue that my explanation is way more plausible than yours. we can see the jewish bolshevik scam playing out *now* with regards to the jewish hyper-focus on racial equality in order to destroy america. we saw in our lifetime the jewish bolshevik scam playing out in the soviet union regarding the jewish hyper-focus on economic equality to destroy the native soviet population. why is it a stretch to you to see christianity created by jews (jews that never even met jesus, lol) just as the goyim were destroying the nation of Israel by creating and disseminating a spiritual bolshevik scam to destroy rome?

it's the same scam played out over and over again. this is simple, basic pattern recognition devoid of any partisanship or emotions. just open your eyes and you'll see we're in the middle of an oft repeated pattern: the pattern of identifying ways to rile up the underclass of society in order to seize power as a small out-group and loot and destroy the society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906125)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:39 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Because Bolshevism wasn't invented until the 20th century and has its roots in Marx and Hegel and people like Chernyshevsky. In turn, Marx and Hegel & co. couldn't have done their work without the Protestant Reformation (the notion that Luther was a tool of the Jew Cabal is risible).

To be sure, as Nietzsche sets out in GoM, there were latent seeds of equalitarian/universalist thought in the New Testament. But there's no warrant to think they were intended to develop along these lines, much less designed for that purpose (how do you explain the middle ages, for example?)

The concept of a "Jewish people," in the sense an American thinks of the term, hadn't even been invented yet. (And it's been a moving target.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906167)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:40 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

I go into detail about the middle ages in the post i linked. perhaps read it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906174)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:41 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

If you can respond to my other critiques I'll read it in more detail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906179)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:44 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

i mean, "Because Bolshevism wasn't invented until the 20th century and has its roots in Marx and Hegel and people like Chernyshevsky" is just false. yes, it's true in terms of its identification as a distinct, formalized ideology, but to think the tactics of riling up the underclass against the overclass in order to seize power havn't been used in the past just because it wasn't formalized is silly on its face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906205)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:45 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

If you want to shift to that level of generality, then Jews have nothing to do with it, since "divide et impera" obviously precedes anything to do with Jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906208)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:46 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

yet the timing and methods and purveyors and the fruit of Christianity directly mirror these tactics. odd case, very strange.

i do think you should at least read my link.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906217)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:54 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

So your thesis has now morphed and it's about "the tactics of riling up the underclass against the overclass in order to seize power" being deployed by the Jews over time? Because I thought it was about Christian equalitarian norms being used subversively.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906260)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:59 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

this is a very jewish response, lol. Christian focus on equality *was* the tactic used to rile up the underclass against the Roman masters. i thought you had a high IQ -- are you really this dense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906290)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 4:01 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

But I thought you said earlier that the equality part laid dormant for centuries and really the _first_ tool of Christianity used was replacing paganism. So now you're switching back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906302)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 4:03 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

the first part was a focus on "spiritual bolshevism" aka the spiritual equality of slaves and the underclass to the masters of Rome -- so long as they believed in Christ. well, if you have spiritual equality of slaves and the underclass, why should the Romans have all the wealth and power? these Christians focused on destroying chill polytheistic paganism as their first step after taking over.

your IQ just seems lower and lower with each response -- i'm kind of embarassed for you now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906316)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 4:11 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Oh, how hurtful.

It seems to me you read Genealogy of Morals and then crafted a conspiracy theory based on it that seeks to explain and predict historical fact even though it is a history of ideas and Peoples in the Spenglerian sense. You don't seem to have a good handle on, among other topics essential to your thesis, population genetics, history, the history of ideas, or philosophy.

And while I'm sure your kneejerk will be to say, "oh yeah but JEWS BAD," note that I earlier offered an alternative explanation that could also be classified as "Jews bad" were one so inclined -- so it ain't about one's attitudes towards Jews one way or the other.

In essence, you just anachronistically project social trends of modern (~19th century) vintage back thousands of years and then ask, "but musn't it have already been this way?!" And the answer is: no.

This is to the extent you have a core thesis at all. It seems to morph and change. I guess it's something like, the unchanging Jewish people, unified in Will and consistent across Time, cooked up Christianity to enfeeble the master class, and Christianity has since been at the root of just about every social ill.

I'm not sure what could possibly disprove your hypothesis. I don't think it's falsifiable. Christianity is at the center of Western culture, generally, so everything will be based on Christianity. Were the Crusades a Jewish ploy? The Inquisition? Various peasant uprisings that turned into pogroms? None would occur without Christianity!

It's all a wash. I take it you were raised Christian, or something? Because it seems to me you've come up with a Christian-like Devil figure, the Immortal Jew. I was not raised in any religion (and I'm also not mudblood / Jewish, like you prob are tbh) so I'm free of your hangups here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906358)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:41 PM
Author: Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike

To be fair,

"Ya know, the whole concept of 'Jewish people' wasn't invented until fairly recently! Before the 20th Century, no one was really even thinking about 'the Jews' in those terms, including 'the Jews' themselves!"

H A H A Y E A H

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H A H A Y E A H

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906178)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:42 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

"The concept of a 'Jewish people,' in the sense an American thinks of the term,"

But it's true. The Jews are a genetic people (with admixture, mainly the split into Ashkenazi and Sephardic), but the Jewish One-Worldism (the 'secular humanist' or 'reform' perspective) is modern.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906191)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:43 PM
Author: Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike

To be fair,

I estimate that the max IQ to be "based" enough to have found XO and participate in dialogue on this bort for years on end, and yet still actually believe something like that, is ~95. That's like the absolute ceiling.

Either that or you're literally Jewish yourself and you know exactly what you're doing (poorly btw) here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906200)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:44 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Enlighten me, then, what's the real truth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906203)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:46 PM
Author: Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike

To be fair,

Sit down for this, it's gonna come as a shock:

For literally thousands of years, "the Jews" have consciously styled themselves as and behaved as one of the most disciplined and highly tribalistic groups (this encompasses both religious belief and ethnic identity) on this planet, and the vast majority of people who have come into contact with them for any extended period of time have recognized them as precisely that -- to the point where they, specifically identified as "the Jews," have literally been kicked out of over 100 countries over the last 1000 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906213)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:47 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906220)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:49 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

And how is that inconsistent with what I said?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906232)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:50 PM
Author: Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike

To be fair,

(Morty Cohen)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906236)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:53 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Well if you don't want me to split hairs don't give me so much pilpul.

My claim again was:

>>The concept of a "Jewish people," in the sense an American thinks of the term, hadn't even been invented yet. (And it's been a moving target.)

You asserted:

>>>For literally thousands of years, "the Jews" have consciously styled themselves as and behaved as one of the most disciplined and highly tribalistic groups (this encompasses BOTH RELIGIOUS BELIEF and ethnic identity) on this planet,...

(emphasis added).

I asked how what you wrote was in tension with what I wrote; if anything, it seems you're supporting what I wrote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906254)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:43 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

lol, its comments like these that make me think AA is jewish and not "irish english" as he claims to be

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906196)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:43 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Anglo-Irish. I've poasted 23andme, have you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906201)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:45 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

i have not and would not, but even if thats the case, remember what i said before: the irish are the niggers of europe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906209)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:46 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

OK but Anglo-Irish are English not Irish. They were not from beyond the Pale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906212)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:53 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

the anglo-irish have some partial recent british ancestry but they're still mostly irish, so you're a mudblood mix at best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906257)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:55 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

That's false but also, I invite you to poast your own 23andme. You natter on about Race Race Race -- maybe compensating for something?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906264)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:58 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

i'm just looking for the truth, buddy. what you've provided here is weak stuff. if you want to provide something more substantive instead of going ad hominem i'm open to hear it.

it's actually interesting to see you shift tactics like this, i think i've hit one of your blind spots and you're freaking out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906283)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 4:00 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

(short guy avoiding Q about his own race).

Anyway, you can cry ad hom all you want; I fairly answered all of your points and you were unable to defend your thesis, or even keep it coherent, under mild scrutiny. So I don't think I'll read your thread in more detail for now, but may come back to it if the mood strikes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906298)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:35 PM
Author: anal station

communism is a jewish christianity scam cult insofar that it is a response to christianity and that's really it. all of this equity shit comes straight line from marxism thru frankfurt school thru crit theory.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906139)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:36 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

ted, i like you but you're a christcuck and you're unable to see this issue dispassionately.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906149)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:40 PM
Author: anal station

i have my biases, but i think it's important to recognize that the infiltration of the catholic church by communists is the root causes of what you can call christcuckery (which is a fair critique of the institutional church...i wouldn't argue against that).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906173)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:42 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

as TBF has pointed out in many threads, please link me *one* church worldwide that opposes interracial marriage. can you link one? i know you're black and all, but if one cares about genetic lineage -- as, you may or not know, germans have invented most things of value worldwide -- then christianity is not and has never been on the side of those who care about race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906186)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:44 PM
Author: anal station

if you're worried about race, i honestly don't have anything to give you. race isn't real.

simple question: who is "white"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906204)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:49 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

whites are people possessing western and central european genetics minus the irish and minus the poles, whose extreme focus on hatred of their larger neighbors give them a slave morality focus that blinds them to anything else.

also, thanks for confirming that "race isn't real" after decades on xo -- lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906231)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:52 PM
Author: anal station

so i'm white? i'm basque and spanish. my grandfather was born in basque country in the pyranees.

and why aren't irish white or poles white?

follow up: who is black?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906249)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:55 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

you're a mudblood, is this not obvious? and you look black to everyone you know.

irish and poles are basically "white", but i like to exclude them because of the distinct personality traits i outlined above. they behave much more like low class, low IQ blacks than other white groups.

black people are those with at least partial genetic from central and south africa and/or various islands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906268)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:15 PM
Author: anal station

this is exactly what i was alluding to in my questioning: these categories are arbitrary and really are based on a series of metrics above and beyond geography or background. the goalposts move whenever a group that everyone else otherwise would define as a said race has cultural and historical artifacts that the in-group finds undesirable. ie--the irish are not white. so what are they? black? asian? it's all very arbitrary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906625)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:55 PM
Author: mauve marvelous boistinker shrine

The whole "Irish/Polish aren't white" thing is mostly just half-serious internet polemic that nobody believes IRL. If we drop that and accept all European groups as white, I think it can clearly be seen that your objections are without merit. Consider this image:

https://tutorials-cdn.pixelmator.com/gradient-tool/top.jpg

Which parts are "green"? Sure, there are some parts of the image where it's debatable whether it's green or blue, or green or yellow, but there is also a part of the image that is definitely green, and most of the image is definitely not green. You can't just point to it and say "you can't clearly define which parts are green, therefore color is arbitrary and based on moving goalposts."

Of course this is a simplistic analogy, but I think we all know what "white people" means, and we can all easily classify the vast majority of the people in the world as either white or non-white. Yes, there are debatable edge cases to quibble over (are the various Middle Eastern ethnicities "white"? what percentage of European ancestry does a mixed-race person need to have to qualify as white? etc.) but that doesn't mean that the "white" category is hopelessly arbitrary/cultural. There is of course an element of arbitrariness/culture to it, but not so much that it isn't a useful concept.

Even many of the mixed-race cases are still easy to resolve. E.g. everyone agrees that Barack Obama obviously belongs in the black category despite having 50% European ancestry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906791)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 6:31 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Cr Sesardic is good on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906916)



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Date: July 25th, 2022 7:22 PM
Author: mauve marvelous boistinker shrine

I just googled him and found this unrelated but excellent article refuting claims that there is systemic misogyny in professional philosophy:

https://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/WIP-AQ.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44912912)



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Date: July 25th, 2022 7:24 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

He's a one man army.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44912916)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 7:49 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44907250)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:52 PM
Author: Fluffy aquamarine preventive strike

To be fair,

"Based" Ted Beckersted: "Race isn't real btw."

*All of the "Based" white XO Christcucks -- who performatively bemoan seeing pathetic Boomers shamelessly slobber all over pet niggers like Candace Owens, but who also loooooooooooove Ted Beckersted and act like he's some sort of an incredible genius simply because he's not ghetto and retarded and he ascribes to the tenets of Christianity -- applaud wildly*

Ted to be clear you seem like a nice guy and I have nothing against you personally, but lol just lol @ you and everyone I described above it's just a fucking minstrel show at this point and even though I am literally gay and retarded myself, I'm still embarrassed to be "on the same side" as any of you people at this point. Morty take the wheel, let's just end this hellish facade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906247)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:56 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Gotta agree in re the "race isn't real" comment. Of course it's real lmao.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906269)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:56 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

ted is very likeable but yes, he exhibits the same logical faults as the rest of the christcucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906275)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:21 PM
Author: anal station

we can disagree on this and that's fine and i don't harbor anything against you. you're a good poaster and i find myself laughing a lot at your observations. but at the end of the day, i think this entire mindset that i see upthread is just a strange way to go through life. dooming people to certain concepts/ideas/outcomes based on birth as if they have no agency is basically nihilism. and if that's how you view the world, i don't think there is anything i or anyone else can do to change that. we might as well all killself in that case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906640)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:28 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

To be clear, I don't think the metaphysical status of race is in any necessary tension with individualism. Rsce plainly exists — a race is just a partially-inbred extended family, and the classical phenotypic-based races have more or less reemerged under modern genetic analysis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906662)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:34 PM
Author: anal station

fair enough.

i was being flippant, but the deep protection of their sacred whiteness is just hilarious when they can't define it. it's "whatever i am". lol. it's tribalism not any different than hood black dudes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906700)



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Date: July 25th, 2022 12:38 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Being a racist (normative judgment) or tribalistic (similar with identity component) is different from acknowledging that race _exists._ The definition of race is as I stated -- it's a partially-inbred extended family. It's defined in a population sense, as with most/all (evo)-bio classifications.

By the same token, you can agree sex is real without being a sexist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44910651)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 7:52 PM
Author: supple plaza

early christianity didn't push worldly equality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44907263)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 4:24 PM
Author: mauve marvelous boistinker shrine

If John Derbyshire has questions about East Asians, why doesn’t he just ask his wife and kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906409)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:20 PM
Author: exhilarant kitchen

are there any heroes left for y'all? i like derbyshire (despite his ricewife fagging).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44906636)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 7:50 PM
Author: Excitant Judgmental Doctorate Abode

Anglin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44907255)



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Date: July 25th, 2022 12:36 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

I Play Against Pieces

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44910642)



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Date: July 24th, 2022 10:57 PM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy

Fun thread, enjoyed debating, though you two don't much join issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44908217)



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Date: July 30th, 2022 9:42 AM
Author: unhinged hyperventilating marketing idea therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2Firm#44938056)