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holy SHIT at these mortgage refinance rates

https://owning.com/
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
still low, but do take note of this "All quoted rate...
Judgmental Indian Lodge
  09/09/20
that means it's included in the quoted rate for the APR
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
LMAO you have a lot to learn
Ocher Skinny Woman
  09/09/20
No Closing Costs Are available on rate/term and limited c...
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
Yes it says borrower pays the discount points. Can you read
Ocher Skinny Woman
  09/09/20
do you know the difference between the quoted rate and the A...
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
Yes APR is irrelevant here. Discount points cost money. Is t...
Ocher Skinny Woman
  09/09/20
I guarantee you 2% fixed is not a zero cost refinance.
Titillating Antidepressant Drug
  09/09/20
lmfao
chartreuse wild water buffalo church building
  09/09/20
Lol. Yeah, just do 2 percent 30 year no prepayment penalty....
magenta nighttime kitchen friendly grandma
  09/09/20
Should I refi my 30 year from 3.5 to 2.5 even if I plan to p...
Cerebral swollen house striped hyena
  09/09/20
Depends on how much your closing costs are. Might as well g...
Rose big tank library
  09/09/20
Fuck I went 3.75 in December.
Floppy grizzly range deer antler
  09/09/20
ljl wtf?
Tan Field Idiot
  09/09/20
Rates in the op are about a point lower than my credit union...
Floppy grizzly range deer antler
  09/09/20
one weird trick for getting fucked is going through a CU for...
chartreuse wild water buffalo church building
  09/09/20
They are not very professional but I put through an owner oc...
Floppy grizzly range deer antler
  09/09/20
(guy who has a tiny mortgage)
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
It would be a VA IRRRL, closing costs aren’t that much...
Cerebral swollen house striped hyena
  09/09/20
Damn it. Just refinanced from 3.7 to 2.87
Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend
  09/09/20
lol you got fucked
Tan Field Idiot
  09/09/20
I just refinanced a 1,100,000 loan for 2.25% thirty year fix...
Tan Field Idiot
  09/09/20
you must have 1mil+ in assets with a major bank, congrats
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
I have over $1 MM in other assets but not with the lender An...
Tan Field Idiot
  09/09/20
what lender did you use if you dont mind me asking then?
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
...
Tan Field Idiot
  09/09/20
ty ill call them. 2.25% jumbo 30 year fixed is unheard of wi...
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
i just called them and they said they can't do better than 3...
Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner
  09/09/20
It was a VA loan
Tan Field Idiot
  09/09/20
based
message board of ill repute
  06/30/26
just closed 2.99 like a month ago. not doing shit until we g...
Ocher Skinny Woman
  09/09/20
still could be fucked if housing declines 20% with the rest ...
costumed hell
  09/09/20
stupid question but where do you fags find these rates? I've...
Excitant emerald brunch
  09/09/20
(guy who is only checking with Bank of america because his c...
Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend
  09/09/20
i check chase, TD, wells fargo, etc. like i said, I don't t...
Excitant emerald brunch
  09/09/20
oh yeah, Bank Of America or Wells Fargo never buttfuck you ...
Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend
  09/09/20
so do you have an answer to my question or just want to be a...
Excitant emerald brunch
  09/09/20
get a mortgage broker who can shop them around. BOA and Wel...
Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend
  09/09/20
Cr, and make sure to survey local credit unions too. I got t...
embarrassed to the bone background story
  09/09/20
where do I find a mortgage broker - won't they take a fee an...
stimulating puppy
  09/09/20
they take a fee. BOA takes a fee too. The guy doing your B...
Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend
  09/09/20
Ok. How do I find a broker
stimulating puppy
  09/09/20
look up CIBM Mortgage. They just did mine.
Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend
  09/09/20
Thanks pal
stimulating puppy
  09/09/20
ask your rich friends who they used, because i guarantee you...
chartreuse wild water buffalo church building
  09/09/20
You’ve got it wrong. Wells is akin to retail and mom...
Titillating Antidepressant Drug
  09/09/20
lenders getting the first search results on google prob aren...
Excitant emerald brunch
  09/10/20
You can now get 30 yr at 2.375 for 0 points, LMFAO
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
Dammit. I can’t get a jumbo loan. 675 middle credit sc...
Tantric sadistic hissy fit
  11/05/20
Help me
Tantric sadistic hissy fit
  11/05/20
move to non-coastal area where you can afford a house withou...
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
who has lowest rates and costs? looking at 15 yr better.c...
stimulating puppy
  11/05/20
check on zillow, i may be copping 2.375 from there lmfao
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
I need an I/O jumbo TYVMIA
Soul-stirring church
  11/05/20
(House poor)
Titillating Antidepressant Drug
  11/05/20
those can't be real. around 2% for 15 year fixed? I'd like...
coiffed bbw senate
  11/05/20
i am currently locked at 2.375 30 year, i think 15s should b...
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
What's your balance bro?
Ocher Skinny Woman
  11/05/20
non jumbo
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
makes sense. i'm slightly under the 700k jumbo but best i ca...
Ocher Skinny Woman
  11/05/20
it changes every day, i just checked and the best i could fi...
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
What are the closing costs for that? Do you pay for any poi...
Rose big tank library
  11/05/20
No points, total to close will be around 1000
Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes
  11/05/20
Bankrate.com
Titillating Antidepressant Drug
  11/05/20


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Date: September 9th, 2020 2:44 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

https://owning.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893449)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 2:49 PM
Author: Judgmental Indian Lodge

still low, but do take note of this

"All quoted rates are including 1% discount points"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893476)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 2:52 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

that means it's included in the quoted rate for the APR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893492)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 2:54 PM
Author: Ocher Skinny Woman

LMAO you have a lot to learn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893508)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 2:58 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

No Closing Costs

Are available on rate/term and limited cash out refinance transactions only. Owning will pay the following third party closing costs on behalf of the Borrower: appraisal fees, credit report fees, flood certification fees, escrow/closing fees, signing fees, title insurance fees (lenders policy and endorsements). The Borrower is responsible for paying: prepaid interest, property taxes, state mortgage/transfer taxes, all types of insurance, existing lender payoff fees, survey fees, inspection fees and discount points (if Borrower chooses to pay discount points to buy down the interest rate). Minimum loan amount is $300,000.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893535)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:35 PM
Author: Ocher Skinny Woman

Yes it says borrower pays the discount points. Can you read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893808)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:36 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

do you know the difference between the quoted rate and the APR?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893810)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:38 PM
Author: Ocher Skinny Woman

Yes APR is irrelevant here. Discount points cost money. Is this a starter home for u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893823)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:51 PM
Author: Titillating Antidepressant Drug

I guarantee you 2% fixed is not a zero cost refinance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894340)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 5:45 PM
Author: chartreuse wild water buffalo church building

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894625)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 7:04 PM
Author: magenta nighttime kitchen friendly grandma

Lol. Yeah, just do 2 percent 30 year no prepayment penalty.

Banks hate him!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40895041)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:17 PM
Author: Cerebral swollen house striped hyena

Should I refi my 30 year from 3.5 to 2.5 even if I plan to pay it off within 10-12 years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893667)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:22 PM
Author: Rose big tank library

Depends on how much your closing costs are. Might as well go to 15 years if you’re going to pay it off fast.

I refid 30 year to 3.25% 2 months ago and these rates are looking juicy enough in temped to go again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893707)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:23 PM
Author: Floppy grizzly range deer antler

Fuck I went 3.75 in December.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893717)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:27 PM
Author: Tan Field Idiot

ljl wtf?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893746)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:37 PM
Author: Floppy grizzly range deer antler

Rates in the op are about a point lower than my credit union right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893816)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 5:47 PM
Author: chartreuse wild water buffalo church building

one weird trick for getting fucked is going through a CU for a mortgage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894632)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 7:07 PM
Author: Floppy grizzly range deer antler

They are not very professional but I put through an owner occupied 15 year at 2.3 in 2011. I told the guy we were likely moving if my wife got pregnant and we ended up doing just that a couple months later. Kept the house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40895050)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:34 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

(guy who has a tiny mortgage)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893796)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:49 PM
Author: Cerebral swollen house striped hyena

It would be a VA IRRRL, closing costs aren’t that much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893871)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:22 PM
Author: Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend

Damn it. Just refinanced from 3.7 to 2.87

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893713)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:27 PM
Author: Tan Field Idiot

lol you got fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893742)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:26 PM
Author: Tan Field Idiot

I just refinanced a 1,100,000 loan for 2.25% thirty year fixed. Paid one point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893738)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:33 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

you must have 1mil+ in assets with a major bank, congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893792)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:34 PM
Author: Tan Field Idiot

I have over $1 MM in other assets but not with the lender And I didn’t even tell the lender about them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893805)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:36 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

what lender did you use if you dont mind me asking then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893815)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:51 PM
Author: Tan Field Idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893881)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:52 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

ty ill call them. 2.25% jumbo 30 year fixed is unheard of without major money with a bank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893888)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:56 PM
Author: Aggressive arousing mental disorder corner

i just called them and they said they can't do better than 3.25% on a refinance of a jumbo mortgate at 30 year fixed. tsk tsk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893912)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:51 PM
Author: Tan Field Idiot

It was a VA loan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894339)



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Date: June 30th, 2026 6:27 PM
Author: message board of ill repute

based

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#49971978)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:28 PM
Author: Ocher Skinny Woman

just closed 2.99 like a month ago. not doing shit until we get rates around 2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893752)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:37 PM
Author: costumed hell

still could be fucked if housing declines 20% with the rest of the economy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893818)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 3:59 PM
Author: Excitant emerald brunch

stupid question but where do you fags find these rates? I've been checking like every day and aside from weird internet scam shit it seems like nothing has moved from 3.125% in a while. never heard of owning.com but it seems fishy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893927)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:06 PM
Author: Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend

(guy who is only checking with Bank of america because his checking account is there)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40893985)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:10 PM
Author: Excitant emerald brunch

i check chase, TD, wells fargo, etc. like i said, I don't trust those skectchball internet banks. at a minimum they probably buttfuck you with random fees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894014)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend

oh yeah, Bank Of America or Wells Fargo never buttfuck you with random fees. They charge a higher interest rate because they're more honest than every other bank that is regulated by the FDIC lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894039)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:14 PM
Author: Excitant emerald brunch

so do you have an answer to my question or just want to be a snarky faggot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894049)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend

get a mortgage broker who can shop them around. BOA and Wells are notoriously higher on mortgages. They count on dupes just refinancing with them because they have their checking account there and its "easier" as if paying a mortgage on a second website is that hard.

If I were you, i'd contact a mortgage broker, get him to quote you a rate, then run back to your BFF at BOA and see if they match it. Chances are, they suddenly will get approval to give you a lower rate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894075)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone background story

Cr, and make sure to survey local credit unions too. I got the best result from them.

I ultimately would not go with a fly-by-night internet place where you aren't dealing with one person and they lose all ur paperwork 5x.

If you have $$$, you can tell Bank X you'll move all ur shit to them if they beat the low bid, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894137)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:31 PM
Author: stimulating puppy

where do I find a mortgage broker - won't they take a fee and make it more expensive than an online shop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894177)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:33 PM
Author: Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend

they take a fee. BOA takes a fee too. The guy doing your BOA refinance isn't doing it for free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894193)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: stimulating puppy

Ok. How do I find a broker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894293)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:46 PM
Author: Obsidian razzle-dazzle clown organic girlfriend

look up CIBM Mortgage. They just did mine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894304)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 4:48 PM
Author: stimulating puppy

Thanks pal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894321)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 5:50 PM
Author: chartreuse wild water buffalo church building

ask your rich friends who they used, because i guarantee you no rich person is shopping for a mortgage themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894645)



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Date: September 9th, 2020 5:05 PM
Author: Titillating Antidepressant Drug

You’ve got it wrong. Wells is akin to retail and mom and pop shops are wholesale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40894420)



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Date: September 10th, 2020 7:54 AM
Author: Excitant emerald brunch

lenders getting the first search results on google prob aren't mom and pop shops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#40897405)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:13 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

You can now get 30 yr at 2.375 for 0 points, LMFAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41286963)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:18 PM
Author: Tantric sadistic hissy fit

Dammit. I can’t get a jumbo loan. 675 middle credit score =(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287041)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:34 PM
Author: Tantric sadistic hissy fit

Help me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287251)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:34 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

move to non-coastal area where you can afford a house without a jumbo loan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287259)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:17 PM
Author: stimulating puppy

who has lowest rates and costs? looking at 15 yr

better.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287019)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:23 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

check on zillow, i may be copping 2.375 from there lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287106)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:19 PM
Author: Soul-stirring church

I need an I/O jumbo

TYVMIA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287051)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:28 PM
Author: Titillating Antidepressant Drug

(House poor)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287179)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:27 PM
Author: coiffed bbw senate

those can't be real. around 2% for 15 year fixed? I'd like to believe but when you call even if you have perfect credit the real rate is probably higher.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287162)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:29 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

i am currently locked at 2.375 30 year, i think 15s should be expected to be slightly less, so not that unrealistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287190)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:30 PM
Author: Ocher Skinny Woman

What's your balance bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287200)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:30 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

non jumbo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287201)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:32 PM
Author: Ocher Skinny Woman

makes sense. i'm slightly under the 700k jumbo but best i can find is 2.5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287230)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 1:33 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

it changes every day, i just checked and the best i could find was also 2.375. but if you keep checking you can probably find lower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287240)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 2:05 PM
Author: Rose big tank library

What are the closing costs for that? Do you pay for any points?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287541)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 6:48 PM
Author: Talented Stag Film Useless Brakes

No points, total to close will be around 1000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41290670)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 2:03 PM
Author: Titillating Antidepressant Drug

Bankrate.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4621234&forum_id=2Firm#41287533)