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mask culture and the Wuhan Flu

https://twitter.com/William70823696/status/12411739025980293...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
the people pushing the “masks don’t help! just w...
Coiffed haunted graveyard crackhouse
  03/23/20
surgeon general and CDC. i thought obama repeated it but ...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
fucking cunts
irradiated house half-breed
  03/23/20
they must hang
Coiffed haunted graveyard crackhouse
  03/23/20
fauci said this too yet this board loves him
Internet-worthy Sanctuary Dog Poop
  03/27/20
obviously true that masks help. it's why we want first respo...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/27/20
Obama did say it. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/ob...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
he said we should save the masks for health care people -- b...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
That's complicated. Is he culpable or not?
Iridescent crotch round eye
  03/23/20
if the story holds up that during his admin they used up the...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
Obama needs to be prosecuted
flatulent contagious stain
  03/27/20
Yes, but most of the mask cache was actually dated back befo...
Blue clown
  05/18/21
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Ebony field giraffe
  05/18/21
he must hang
Coiffed haunted graveyard crackhouse
  03/23/20
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Respirator-Y-2K-respiratory-protect...
Smoky Thriller Dingle Berry Chapel
  03/23/20
at least they are honest about the reason: "Facemask...
narrow-minded stirring hell
  03/23/20
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Indecent area yarmulke
  03/23/20
...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
Lol masks are for chinks.
Exciting Transparent Parlor Dragon
  03/23/20
Explain Iran where everyone is in full body protection?
sinister pale center pocket flask
  03/23/20
now they are. but weren't they all running around licking th...
Ruddy new version corn cake
  03/23/20
Federal Stockpile Of N95 Masks Were Depleted Under Obama &md...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/23/20
Wtf was he doing for 8 years
Indecent area yarmulke
  03/23/20
race-baiting, hiding from Michelle, NCAA brackets, curating ...
wonderful university pisswyrm
  03/27/20
March 25, 2020 3:12PM Against the “Noble Lie” &...
claret scourge upon the earth
  03/27/20
retarded screed by an imbecile whose mother most likely used...
Medicated Dull Box Office Tattoo
  03/27/20
Getting the illness is not a sin, nor is it particularly har...
Medicated Dull Box Office Tattoo
  03/27/20


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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:29 AM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

https://twitter.com/William70823696/status/1241173902598029314/photo/1

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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:30 AM
Author: Coiffed haunted graveyard crackhouse

the people pushing the “masks don’t help! just wash your hands!” line will all hang

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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:34 AM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

surgeon general and CDC.

i thought obama repeated it but i can't find it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839627)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:35 AM
Author: irradiated house half-breed

fucking cunts

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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:39 AM
Author: Coiffed haunted graveyard crackhouse

they must hang

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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:34 PM
Author: Internet-worthy Sanctuary Dog Poop

fauci said this too yet this board loves him

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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:40 PM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

obviously true that masks help. it's why we want first responders, medical people, and so on, to have them. it's why we're making them as fast as we can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39876614)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:36 AM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

Obama did say it.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/obama-on-coronavirus-skip-the-masks-stay-calm/ar-BB10KDFX

and the story broke today that under Obama we were supposed to replenish our huge reserve stockpile of masks that were depleted in the last big flu -- but despite warnings Obama didn't do that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839636)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:38 AM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

he said we should save the masks for health care people -- but of course he didn't replenish the stockpile.

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1235246706817630208

Barack Obama

@BarackObama

Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the

@CDCgov

and local health authorities. Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science.

8:52 AM · Mar 4, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839644)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:39 AM
Author: Iridescent crotch round eye

That's complicated. Is he culpable or not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839649)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:41 AM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

if the story holds up that during his admin they used up the masks, were warned to replenish, and didn't do so, then he's very culpable. extremely so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839664)



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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:53 PM
Author: flatulent contagious stain

Obama needs to be prosecuted

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Date: May 18th, 2021 1:43 PM
Author: Blue clown

Yes, but most of the mask cache was actually dated back before swine flu even

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Date: May 18th, 2021 1:39 PM
Author: Ebony field giraffe



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:40 AM
Author: Coiffed haunted graveyard crackhouse

he must hang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839652)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:45 AM
Author: Smoky Thriller Dingle Berry Chapel

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Respirator-Y-2K-respiratory-protection-of-the-dust-of-harmful-impurities-aerosol/264371476214?hash=item3d8dc496f6:g:beQAAOSwNJtdDUlt

Buy your superior Russian mask now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839702)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 12:48 AM
Author: narrow-minded stirring hell

at least they are honest about the reason:

"Facemasks may be in short supply and they should be saved for caregivers."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39839720)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 11:13 AM
Author: Indecent area yarmulke



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 11:12 AM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39841630)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 11:25 AM
Author: Exciting Transparent Parlor Dragon

Lol masks are for chinks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39841742)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 11:27 AM
Author: sinister pale center pocket flask

Explain Iran where everyone is in full body protection?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39841771)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 11:28 AM
Author: Ruddy new version corn cake

now they are. but weren't they all running around licking the gates to shrines for many weeks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39841784)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 1:51 PM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

Federal Stockpile Of N95 Masks Were Depleted Under Obama — Never Restocked: Reports

Avatar by Eric A. Blair March 23, 2020 11 Comments

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Across the nation, personal protective equipment (PPEs) for health care workers is in short supply.

And one of the most needed PPEs that health care providers need is N95 respirator masks.

The mainstream media has been hounded President Trump at his daily briefings, demanding to know why there’s a shortage of masks.

“The national shortage can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times,” The Washington Examiner writes.

The George W. Bush administration published the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza plan in 2005, which called on the federal government to distribute medical supplies from the Strategic National Stockpile governed by the Health and Human Services [HHS] Department in the event of an outbreak. In 2009, the H1N1 outbreak hit the United States, leading to 274,304 hospitalizations, 12,469 deaths, and a depletion of N95 respirator masks.

A federally backed task force and a safety equipment organization both recommended to the Obama administration that the stockpile be replenished of the 100 million masks used after the H1N1 outbreak, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Association, said that advice was never heeded. “Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.

Last month, HHS Secretary Alex Azar there were 12 million N95 masks available in the stockpile, “a tiny fraction of the 3.5 billion masks one of Azar’s deputies later testified the nation’s healthcare system would need,” the Los Angeles Times noted.

Bloomberg News reported similar findings last week, noting, “after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.” Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration had asked construction companies to “donate their inventory of N95 masks to your local hospital and forgo additional orders of those industrial masks” and the Defense Department would provide 5 million N95 masks and 2,000 ventilators to help bridge the gap.

The Trump campaign slammed the campaign of Joe Biden for pushing falsehoods about masks.

“Trying to score political points in the middle of a public health crisis, the Biden campaign has repeatedly pushed the “misleading” claim that the Trump Administration dissolved an anti-pandemic office on the National Security Council,” the Trump campaign said. “This misinformation has earned a fact check from the Washington Post and FactCheck.org, as well as pushback from numerous former NSC officials who have said it’s simply not true.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39843023)



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Date: March 23rd, 2020 1:52 PM
Author: Indecent area yarmulke

Wtf was he doing for 8 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39843036)



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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:59 PM
Author: wonderful university pisswyrm

race-baiting, hiding from Michelle, NCAA brackets, curating woke workout playlists, salat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39876778)



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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:31 PM
Author: claret scourge upon the earth

March 25, 2020 3:12PM

Against the “Noble Lie” – COVID-19 Edition

By Alex Nowrasteh

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The main political conflict in recent years is between experts or elites and non‐​experts. For lack of a better word, the non‐​experts are called populists. Their complaints have been specific: Elites and experts are arrogant, they have different values, they condescend in annoying ways, they ignore the sometimes legitimate concerns of populists, among others. Experts say that they should be listened to because they’re more knowledgeable. We see it in debates on every issue from climate change to trade, immigration, and everything in between.

The COVID-19 pandemic exposes another criticism of experts: They lie with noble intentions. And the consequences of those noble lies are quite negative.

A recent New York Times op‐​ed by Zeynep Tufekci exposes the danger of noble lies when it comes to limiting the transmission of COVID-19. She details the claims by public officials and health experts that masks don’t limit transmission. She wrote:

Many health experts, no doubt motivated by the sensible and urgent aim of preserving the remaining masks for health care workers, started telling people that they didn’t need masks or that they wouldn’t know how to wear them.

Those claims were simply untrue. Yes, healthcare workers need masks, but masks also reduce transmission outside of hospitals and clinics. Sick people who wear masks reduce their likelihood of transmitting the virus and healthy people who wear them reduce their likelihood of becoming infected. Tufecki pointed out the obvious contradiction: If masks don’t work, why do healthcare workers need them?

Noble lies are those knowingly propagated by elites or experts to advance a bigger agenda. I can’t think of a single noble lie that has led to better outcomes and most have done more harm than good. The arguments against mass use of face masks were noble lies intended for the good reason of attempting to reduce the mass consumption of face masks to conserve them for healthcare workers. However, they backfired quickly. Ultimately, that failure will cause even more harm down the line.

One source of harm is how social enforcers of new anti‐​COVID‐​19 norms respond. Enforcing these norms through pressure to not gather in large crowds, proper hand hygiene, to maintain social distance, and to stop shaking hands is positive. Those social enforcement mechanisms work best when everybody is basically on the same page about what works but they follow the norms to varying degrees. But if lots of people don’t trust the advice and they disagree about proper methods to limit the transmission of the disease because they’ve been misled by noble lies, social pressure will be contradictory and less effective at altering behavior.

Health experts, epidemiologists, medical researchers, scientists, and other experts have knowledge and experience that is valuable in containing COVID-19 and eventually wiping it out. They will eventually discover a vaccine and treatments that will benefit all of us. But without widespread trust in them, their jobs will be harder. Noble lies will reduce that trust and make it less likely that people will heed their advice and warnings. If some percentage of their guidance is a lie and we all know that they are sometimes lying, people will be less likely to listen or will cherry‐​pick which advice to follow. People will be more likely to consume snake oil, listen to grifters, and fall back on prejudices or other biases that will end up hurting themselves and others. And this will all happen rapidly in the current media market where information is cheap and available at a cost near zero, as it currently is.

Even worse, the noble lie does serious damage to expert culture as one noble lie can justify more lies that are increasingly less noble. Experts will justify less‐​noble lies on the precedence of previous lies that were nobler with no natural limiting principle. And they judge the nobility of the lie by the intent of the liar, which is a dangerous trap. This cycle can only destroy expert credibility.

A common justification for the noble lie is that people aren’t taking the current COVID-19 crisis seriously enough, so experts are justified in trying to “scare people straight” with a lie. The major problem, if the goal is to change other people’s behavior with additional information, is that they won’t be scared straight as soon as the lie is known. Thus, the noble lie will backfire.

Scaring people straight works better when scary truths are revealed rather than when lies are peddled. Emily Oster, economist and author of two superb books on pregnancy risks and raising young children, points out this problem in another area of medicine: alcohol consumption by pregnant mothers. She highlights a report published by the American Academy of Pediatrics with the headline finding that “no amount of alcohol should be considered safe in pregnancy.” Oster points out that the report itself contradicts that statement. She further details to another problem:

Reasonable people can differ, but when we lump together all levels of drinking—without really clearly focusing on what we should be concerned about—we risk losing sight of the groups that actually need help.

Heavy drinking during pregnancy is a big risk but exaggerating it means that the public can lose sight of the people most negatively affected. Perhaps some pregnant mothers can’t limit themselves to a small amount of alcohol so, for them, the better advice is not to drink at all, but that does not translate into a warning that no expecting mothers should imbibe ever. Exaggeration could mute the actual message: Drinking a lot while pregnant can do serious, permanent harm to your baby.

Experts and elites are more trusted when they tell the truth and expose non‐​obvious tradeoffs. Every action has tradeoffs, even those that are obviously a net‐​benefit. For instance, arguing in favor of lockdowns, quarantines, and travel restrictions while acknowledging that those actions will severely disrupt economic activities and lead to other, different health problems and early deaths. Those extra health problems and deaths may be worth it, but being open about that tradeoff and making the case honestly is the best that experts can do.

This doesn’t mean that experts should consider every non‐​expert objection and weigh them equally when considering a response. Anti‐​vaxxers can be safely ignored during the COVID-19 crisis, for instance. But it does mean that experts need to present the facts honestly and openly. Populists may not believe them, but it’s better to make an honest case for an action that isn’t believed than it is to make a dishonest case that is later exposed as the long‐​term costs in lost credibility are high. The present value of trust in experts is too valuable to be squandered on an ephemeral change in behavior bought at the expense of a lie.

As a libertarian, my preference is for as few government rules and regulations as required to build and maintain a free, peaceful, and prosperous society. In the areas where rules and regulations are necessary, they should be well‐​considered and guided by experts who understand the issue that is being regulated. There should also be consequences for making errors and rewards for being correct. Trust in those experts is fragile in even the best of times, but crucial for widespread popular acceptance which is necessary for the enforcement of any new policy. When some experts commit noble lies, it damages their credibility and limits the extent of their wiser (compared to non‐​experts) recommendations.

Tufekci ended her piece with this prescient warning:

Research shows that during disasters, people can show strikingly altruistic behavior, but interventions by authorities can backfire if they fuel mistrust or treat the public as an adversary rather than people who will step up if treated with respect. Given that even homemade masks may work better than no masks, wearing them might be something to direct people to do while they stay at home more, as we all should.

Experts should commit themselves publicly to always telling the truth and to banish the noble lie from public debate. By limiting the transmission of noble lies, hopefully we can do something to limit the spread of COVID-19.

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39876537)



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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:36 PM
Author: Medicated Dull Box Office Tattoo

retarded screed by an imbecile whose mother most likely used alcohol while pregnant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39876576)



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Date: March 27th, 2020 1:33 PM
Author: Medicated Dull Box Office Tattoo

Getting the illness is not a sin, nor is it particularly harmful. It is probably healthy insomuch as your body will develop antibodies for this particular breed of the virus. There is no need at all for some kind of "culture" change -- people with good hygiene habits will tend to get sick less often, as always. However, never getting sick at all will lead to the immune system becoming lazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4484037&forum_id=2#39876552)