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Anyone read Leo Strauss?

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Odious Range
  11/06/20
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Odious Range
  09/26/22
It's been a long time.
Rusted personal credit line chapel
  09/26/22
same.
yellow flickering national security agency
  09/26/22
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umber trust fund immigrant
  09/26/22
years ago--back when I had to memorize ancient greek lineage...
appetizing nowag water buffalo
  09/26/22
no but i'm posting itt to see if anybody will recommend it
Exciting azure state people who are hurt
  09/26/22
no
appetizing nowag water buffalo
  09/26/22
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Rusted personal credit line chapel
  09/26/22
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Exciting azure state people who are hurt
  09/26/22
i remember thinking of him as an interesting and more compel...
yellow flickering national security agency
  09/26/22
What’s his schtick? Esoteric / exoteric and what else
coiffed sooty public bath french chef
  09/26/22
was sort of a guide for anthropological studies and had some...
appetizing nowag water buffalo
  09/26/22
i've seen him cited for the idea that you should be speaking...
Exciting azure state people who are hurt
  09/26/22
relatedly, he really fastens in on plato's idea of the "...
yellow flickering national security agency
  09/26/22
Yeah but he's a catty fag about it because he's speaking in ...
Rusted personal credit line chapel
  09/26/22
ty, makes sense, goes hand-in-hand
Exciting azure state people who are hurt
  09/26/22
this was his only actually good idea (even though it wasn't ...
Buff bossy home indirect expression
  09/26/22
Wow, now I don't even need to read his "early life"...
Stubborn locus
  09/26/22
... yeah.
yellow flickering national security agency
  09/26/22
I am 99% sure I know more about Straussianism than anyone el...
spectacular unhinged really tough guy
  09/26/22
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Odious Range
  09/26/22
I always assumed his criticisms of Machiavelli were part fla...
Rusted personal credit line chapel
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Odious Range
  09/26/22
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Odious Range
  09/26/22
I didn't even know who Drury was and had to google her, and ...
Rusted personal credit line chapel
  09/26/22
ty -- very interesting
Exciting azure state people who are hurt
  09/26/22
cr
Buff bossy home indirect expression
  09/26/22
I haven't read him myself, so I will withhold judgment, but ...
coiffed sooty public bath french chef
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Odious Range
  09/26/22
I think the only way he would be valuable now as a primary s...
appetizing nowag water buffalo
  09/26/22
The only thing he exemplifies to me is how shitty philosophy...
Rusted personal credit line chapel
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Odious Range
  09/26/22
Isn't he a French structuralist? They're all frauds.
pink dilemma
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Odious Range
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Date: November 6th, 2020 4:49 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 5:51 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 5:51 PM
Author: Rusted personal credit line chapel

It's been a long time.

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Date: September 26th, 2022 5:53 PM
Author: yellow flickering national security agency

same.

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Date: September 26th, 2022 5:56 PM
Author: umber trust fund immigrant



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Date: September 26th, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: appetizing nowag water buffalo

years ago--back when I had to memorize ancient greek lineages

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Date: September 26th, 2022 5:58 PM
Author: Exciting azure state people who are hurt

no but i'm posting itt to see if anybody will recommend it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234316)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: appetizing nowag water buffalo

no

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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: Rusted personal credit line chapel



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: Exciting azure state people who are hurt



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: yellow flickering national security agency

i remember thinking of him as an interesting and more compelling foil to karl popper, but i don't think so. he's incredibly dense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234353)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:00 PM
Author: coiffed sooty public bath french chef

What’s his schtick? Esoteric / exoteric and what else

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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: appetizing nowag water buffalo

was sort of a guide for anthropological studies and had some bearing on the breakdown of myths into component parts.

His stuff in anthro i think is mostly discredited because its better to just gather raw data than to impose some ideological framekwork over top and make your observations fit that prior belief

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234350)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:06 PM
Author: Exciting azure state people who are hurt

i've seen him cited for the idea that you should be speaking in code (and containing hidden meanings). meanings are hidden because respectable people can't say some things (they'll offend their audience, or put their own position, respect, or personal safety at risk).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234369)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:08 PM
Author: yellow flickering national security agency

relatedly, he really fastens in on plato's idea of the "noble lie". the people need to be controlled, for they won't understand the truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234384)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:14 PM
Author: Rusted personal credit line chapel

Yeah but he's a catty fag about it because he's speaking in "code." He only seems avant garde in historical context I think because he was writing just as shitliberalism was forming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234415)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:56 PM
Author: Exciting azure state people who are hurt

ty, makes sense, goes hand-in-hand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234647)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 7:16 PM
Author: Buff bossy home indirect expression

this was his only actually good idea (even though it wasn't his original idea) and it is 100% cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234720)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 9:38 PM
Author: Stubborn locus

Wow, now I don't even need to read his "early life"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45235457)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 9:49 PM
Author: yellow flickering national security agency

... yeah.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45235530)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:17 PM
Author: spectacular unhinged really tough guy

I am 99% sure I know more about Straussianism than anyone else on this bort.

My TL;DR version, which is largely informed by Drury, is as follows. Philosophers going back as far as Socrates have been secret atheists/nihilists, but they have concealed their atheism/nihilism by engaging in esotericism. They concealed their atheism/nihilism because they thought society would go to the dogs without religion. Machiavelli was the first to really break with the esoteric tradition by speaking certain esoteric truths openly in his own name, thereby initiating modernity. The Straussians think modernity is a mistake, and the ancients were right about the effect of philosophy on the body politic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234431)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:32 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 9:33 PM
Author: Rusted personal credit line chapel

I always assumed his criticisms of Machiavelli were part flame, in the Socratic tradition, but I haven't read enough of his other stuff (or read it recently enough) to have a strong opinion about that. I can say that I read Machiavelli differently than he does. He seems more concerned with what Machiavelli was trying to do, whereas I don't really give a fuck about Machiavelli himself and am more interested in his ideas. Furthermore if Machiavelli was revealing truths powerful people already knew, why did he even have to say shit? Why did anyone think to make copies of his works?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45235422)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 9:43 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 10:00 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 10:08 PM
Author: Rusted personal credit line chapel

I didn't even know who Drury was and had to google her, and nothing I see makes me interested in anything she has to say. I think most of our notions of what constitutes "government ethics" descend from Machiavelli. For example, the notion that leaders should avoid the appearance of impropriety (actual impropriety unnecessary to violate the rule). I don't think you can analyze ethics issues or propose meaningful ethics reforms without heeding Machiavelli at least somewhat, so I find actual utility that improves human lives in this "evil" that Strauss supposedly castigates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45235660)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:56 PM
Author: Exciting azure state people who are hurt

ty -- very interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234643)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 7:16 PM
Author: Buff bossy home indirect expression

cr

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Date: September 26th, 2022 9:49 PM
Author: coiffed sooty public bath french chef

I haven't read him myself, so I will withhold judgment, but I am skeptical of anyone who claims to know the secret truth about what some text REALLY says.

If Strauss is able to coax new insights out of the source material, then that is one thing, but if he's just smuggling his own ideas into the author's mouth, then fuck that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45235523)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 10:04 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:05 PM
Author: appetizing nowag water buffalo

I think the only way he would be valuable now as a primary source would be as a launching pad for some sort of artisitic undertaking but not as "philosophy or anthro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234365)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:17 PM
Author: Rusted personal credit line chapel

The only thing he exemplifies to me is how shitty philosophy became after Nietzsche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234427)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 6:36 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 26th, 2022 7:21 PM
Author: pink dilemma

Isn't he a French structuralist? They're all frauds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4680091&forum_id=2#45234739)



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Date: September 26th, 2022 9:24 PM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 27th, 2022 12:47 AM
Author: Odious Range



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Date: September 27th, 2022 2:22 AM
Author: Odious Range



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