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🚨🚨 Chauvin Deliberation | Verdict | Response Thread 🚨🚨
| Know-it-all mildly autistic native | 04/19/21 |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 4:54 PM Author: Know-it-all mildly autistic native Prediction:
Deliberate all day Tuesday
Verdict Noon Wednesday: Guilty Manslaughter, NG Murder 2, Hung Murder 3
Moderate riots in various cities Wednesday night
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Date: April 19th, 2021 4:56 PM Author: charismatic toaster it'll be a hung jury IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309472) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:18 PM Author: Mischievous 180 stead Inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309609) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:22 PM Author: spectacular judgmental blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311092) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: Stimulating double fault ticket booth 30% odds hung jury (w majority in favor of conviction)
40% odds murder conviction due to media pressure
25% odds manslaughter
5% odds not guilty |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 4:58 PM Author: underhanded thriller idiot organic girlfriend NG murder 2 and 3
Hung jury for MS
verdict by Thursday, protests and riots start Friday and go through the weekend |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 4:58 PM Author: Rough-skinned ratface therapy everyone thinking media pressure is going to be decisive didn't pay much attention to the news out of selection, imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309483) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:14 PM Author: crystalline diverse sweet tailpipe Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311023) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:01 PM Author: erotic insecure tattoo jury will vote not guilty, then BLM peaceful protesters will literally hang the jury. everyone will cheer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309500) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:04 PM Author: very tactful hilarious trust fund No way Chauvin walks. He's getting convicted and will stay in prison until he dies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309515) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:05 PM Author: Blue Parlour Ladyboy which won't be long after he gets to prison. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309525) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:05 PM Author: razzle-dazzle halford idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309523) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Concupiscible sable point place of business don't forget that Chauvin didn't even testify in his own defense. certainly evidence of guilt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309576) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:18 PM Author: Onyx odious queen of the night also he requested a jury trial, further evidence of guilt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309610) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:30 PM Author: titillating pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309687) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:45 PM Author: underhanded thriller idiot organic girlfriend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309787) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:37 PM Author: razzle-dazzle halford idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309727) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:46 PM Author: Primrose theatre cool how much $$ do you think the damages will be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309797) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:00 PM Author: well-lubricated violent haunted graveyard black woman it sucks because its completely unfair stacked against chauvin. the state can call in all these experts and have a huge legal team with unlimited funding. still, this lawyer was kind of ineffective. he easily could have gotten better experts to discount the asphyxiation and prove the fentanyl overdose. i still have no idea how floyd actually died after watching this shit, which is why I would have to say not gulty, because the burden is on the prosecution to prove, not the defense. But the defense still could have done better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311326) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:01 PM Author: alcoholic orchestra pit macaca Link to other competent experts willing to testify? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311333) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:03 PM Author: well-lubricated violent haunted graveyard black woman thats part of it too. noone is willing to testify because they dont want their lives ruined. probably noone better is willing to defend too or he doesn't have the funding to pay for it because of something having to do with libs being unhinged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311341) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: alcoholic orchestra pit macaca C'mon I really just need a link man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311529) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:15 PM Author: Cocky Office you mean people don't want pig's blood and body parts splattered all over every residence that Spokeo has for them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311390) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:36 PM Author: razzle-dazzle halford idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311515) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:35 PM Author: Talented Mauve Trump Supporter Depressive uhhhhh doesn't the prosecution have to PROVE knee/shoulder on neck killed him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309706) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:39 PM Author: razzle-dazzle halford idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309746) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:05 PM Author: Fragrant Bronze Tanning Salon Alpha A bear will steal the verdict slip from the foreperson. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309526) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:06 PM Author: appetizing hospital chauvin's attorney setting stage for a mistrial, is he just saying this or is that a real possibility? i just started watching 10 mins ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309530) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:18 PM Author: Onyx odious queen of the night he is just preserving shit for appeal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309606) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:16 PM Author: alcoholic orchestra pit macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311039) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:09 PM Author: Vibrant cheese-eating set NG murder
75% guilty on manslaughter, 20% not guilty, 5% hung
desperately hoping for not guilty. let's see the cities burn for the second summer in a row. |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:51 PM Author: brilliant self-centered international law enforcement agency 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311275) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:16 PM Author: chartreuse fluffy main people Guilty on all.
None of us are Chauvin. Who cares? I’d rather Minneapolis burn than an innocent man go free. He’d be a hero. |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:29 PM Author: Drunken irradiated kitchen french chef I think Guilty on MS, and not guilty or hung jury on the other counts. I don't think we get a verdict before Thursday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309681) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:31 PM Author: nofapping wonderful roast beef In what event will there not be riots? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309695) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:35 PM Author: Onyx odious queen of the night no such events exist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309705) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:37 PM Author: nofapping wonderful roast beef If Chauvin is convicted, we are storming the capital pt. 2 #MAGA #Q (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309723) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:37 PM Author: Dashing Bawdyhouse Elastic Band lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309728) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:45 PM Author: sienna arousing regret Chauvin literally executed on BET pay per view (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309784) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 2:47 AM Author: Blue Parlour Ladyboy you think this would stop the riots? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42312446) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:46 PM Author: Shaky potus Aliens could arrive and sterilize the planet of life later tonight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309793) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:16 PM Author: comical emerald hairy legs ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311397) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 5:46 PM Author: laughsome free-loading persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42309796) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:17 PM Author: boyish bonkers locus milk how hung on murder 3 but not guilty on manslaughter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311040) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:21 PM Author: Dashing Bawdyhouse Elastic Band MN manslaughter statute is weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311084) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 12:07 AM Author: laughsome free-loading persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311943) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:20 PM Author: Fishy mood piazza Guilty on all, verdict tomorrow. People here are really delusional about how strong the prosecution's case was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311069) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:25 PM Author: puce pit circlehead NG on all, verdict tomorrow. 1488 white power fuck nigs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311111) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:27 PM Author: alcoholic orchestra pit macaca You seem intellectually dishonest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311129) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:30 PM Author: Fishy mood piazza Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311142) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:40 PM Author: alcoholic orchestra pit macaca The strength of the prosecution's case is based on a string of hack experts who basically said they watched the video and it looked like murder. They had no real case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311201) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:03 PM Author: fantasy-prone narrow-minded theater patrolman but one of them had an Irish accent, so he sounded smart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311345) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:52 PM Author: Fishy mood piazza They had a bunch of experts, defense had none. Defense didn't effectively impeach prosecution's experts. That's a damn strong case. Anyone would love to have that case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311579) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:41 PM Author: offensive library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311205) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:25 PM Author: elite den mexican Guilty on Murder 3 and manslaughter. Not guilty on Murder 2. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311112) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:10 PM Author: offensive library Good prediction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311372) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:27 PM Author: Topaz dingle berry associate Too bad jurors aren't allowed to watch the news.. if these idiots are going to destroy the city & country either way, who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311123) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:43 PM Author: Ungodly dragon I know the world has changed but traditionally it’s hard to convict cops. Most people in the real world give cops the benefit of the doubt and outside of a Walter Scott situation are unlikely to convict a cop who was trying to do his job (however poorly). You only need one of these people to hang the jury.
Even the Walter Scott shooting, which is about as bad as it gets, had a mistrial the first time because a juror couldn’t get there. Feds took a plea to avoid a jury trial. |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:56 PM Author: well-lubricated violent haunted graveyard black woman his lawyers should have been able to get the video tossed. the video was so biased. no way they coudl get conviction without the video. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311306) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:00 PM Author: fantasy-prone narrow-minded theater patrolman the video was the entire prosecution - they went all in on emotion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311325) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:05 PM Author: well-lubricated violent haunted graveyard black woman they absolutely went all in on emotion but that shit wins over female juries like this one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311356) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:01 PM Author: Ungodly dragon The video is the whole case.
I do think the approach of focusing on the drug over dose might not work because jurors might say “I don’t care if it’s possible he would have died anyway, the cop shouldn’t have kneeled on him”. But the cop wasn’t trying to kill him (haven’t seen anyone argue that), which for most people is a pre-requisite to murder.
But idk... shit is crazy now and jurors could be frightened. |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:04 PM Author: well-lubricated violent haunted graveyard black woman i think they didn't have to prove he was trying to kill him because it was "felony murder" with assault being the underlying felony. which is complete bullshit. you absolutely should have to prove someone intended to kill to get more than manslaughter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311348) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:07 PM Author: Ungodly dragon I get that... I just don’t think your average juror is going to think like that re a cop doing his job, regardless of what the statue says. Again, he wasn’t kneeling on him for fun. He wasn’t trying to assault him. He wasn’t doing it out of anger or as part of some power trip. He just fucked up and shouldn’t be a cop. That’s a hard case to win. At least it used to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311365) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:05 PM Author: fantasy-prone narrow-minded theater patrolman If I was a juror I'd be fucking terrified. Especially if I had a family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311355) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:09 PM Author: Ungodly dragon I agree, I would refuse to serve on the jury, would tell judge I would find him guilty out of fear to get off.
So sad how far we have fallen in such a short time. |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:05 PM Author: Silver Violent Resort Antidepressant Drug Cop doesn't need to intend to kill him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311357) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:09 PM Author: Ungodly dragon Honest question, if you were on the jury, would that not matter to you at all? Even if the judge told you it wasn’t required (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311371) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 4:55 PM Author: Silver Violent Resort Antidepressant Drug hard to say because i'm not a lay person juror. as a legal scholar, not really. that's why it's not 1st degree murder. I think if he sat on him for 9 min with the intent to kill him that would constitute premeditation, right? But he wasn't charged with murder 1.
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:46 PM Author: brilliant self-centered international law enforcement agency church already been burned to the ground today, but not sure who we can pin that on yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42311240) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:38 PM Author: Vibrant cheese-eating set get your predictions is NOW cucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315470) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:46 PM Author: Know-it-all mildly autistic native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315563) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:40 PM Author: titillating pocket flask acquitted on all counts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315510) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:46 PM Author: Kink-friendly Cracking Messiness There was probably tampering and not so subtle threats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315558) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:47 PM Author: histrionic mint weed whacker No shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315567) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:47 PM Author: hyperactive hissy fit yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315573) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:47 PM Author: unhinged ivory meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315578) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:58 PM Author: Amber wild field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315733) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:48 PM Author: Scarlet multi-colored travel guidebook NG 2 &3
G on manslaughter |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:48 PM Author: offensive library Guilty murder two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315587) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:49 PM Author: exhilarant base cumskin tuesday 4 PM guilty on everything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315602) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:52 PM Author: Silver Violent Resort Antidepressant Drug guilty of murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315647) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 3:59 PM Author: Topaz dingle berry associate Guilty of murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315743) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 4:02 PM Author: vivacious police squad locale They’re gonna split the baby. G on manslaughter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42315777) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: Mischievous 180 stead Best case scenario for C (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4814382&forum_id=2#42316451) |