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POLL: Is pansexuality inherently biphobic?

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  06/10/21
It’s disgusting that you would even ask this question....
cerebral mental disorder stag film
  06/10/21
Sorry
gay keepsake machete stock car
  06/10/21
No. next question.
canary arousing pit
  06/10/21
(they who gets it)
Yapping factory reset button
  06/10/21
its called being educated
canary arousing pit
  06/10/21
it’s called science
gay keepsake machete stock car
  06/10/21
i love science so fucking much
canary arousing pit
  06/10/21
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,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,
  06/10/21
Duh. I mean, who DOESNT know this already?
bistre point
  06/10/21
I think its still up for debate. We don't want to cause BIE...
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  06/10/21
debatable, but more importantly it denies gender identities ...
At-the-ready Flesh Market Hissy Fit
  06/10/21
lol flame?
P0astradamus
  06/10/21
not flame at all. insane the things they have kids doing/bel...
Brother Peter Dimond
  06/10/21
very $ick and $ad
P0astradamus
  06/10/21
I think "bisexual" can cause non-binary erasure be...
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  06/10/21
we need to have microterms like omnisexual though, because y...
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
ty. can you break down what a "demisexual" is?
writer
  06/10/21
It means you can only get wet for Chad but you’re past...
Anus horribilis
  06/11/21
You only have a sexual attraction toward people you have an ...
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P0astradamus
  06/11/21
absolutely. there are only 2 genders and creating an arbitra...
I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain
  06/10/21
yeah thats what the argument is. that it causes bi erasure....
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
trannies aren't real, bi people suck and fuck penis and assp...
I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain
  06/10/21
bisexual men are probably the peak human. bisexual female a...
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
I thought even the rainbow people have basically admitted bi...
I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain
  06/10/21
actual dykes are the lowest form of human being. cant even ...
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
If you spent all this time calling people biphobic and sayin...
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  06/10/21
Cr
P0astradamus
  06/10/21
I think it certainly can cause bierasure for sure. Microlab...
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
Is it possible to cause erasure of LGBTQs given how widely r...
P0astradamus
  06/10/21
You are putting in work in this thread
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,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
People certainly have to think hard about their use of micro...
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
We must defend and celebrate the non-cisgendered neuros
Long Doobsian Flying J RedWang Hehe-ing
  06/11/21
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The Manga-Perusing Attorney
  06/11/21
this is hate speech and bi-erasure at it's most micro-egregi...
creampie guy
  06/10/21
bierasure is one of the biggest problems we face in todays s...
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
Imagine all the progress we wouldn’t have made without...
,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,,,...,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,,
  06/10/21
not sure exactly what you are saying but it sounds BIPHOBIC
,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.
  06/10/21
none of these autistic freaks even have sex
ralph cifaretto
  06/10/21
Afraid so
holdupholdupwhat
  06/11/21
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holdupholdupwhat
  06/13/21
As pansexuality is seemingly a fresh sexual identity to the ...
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  06/11/21
Just read this entire thing. Actually Cr. I think I, going...
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It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straig...
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  06/11/21
This is actually what happens all the time now
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  06/11/21
lol
I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain
  06/11/21
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  06/13/21
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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:00 AM
Author: gay keepsake machete stock car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42603449)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:04 AM
Author: cerebral mental disorder stag film

It’s disgusting that you would even ask this question. Neurotypical trash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42603455)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 1:29 PM
Author: gay keepsake machete stock car

Sorry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605140)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:12 AM
Author: canary arousing pit

No. next question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42603461)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 1:29 PM
Author: Yapping factory reset button

(they who gets it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605145)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 1:32 PM
Author: canary arousing pit

its called being educated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605164)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 1:37 PM
Author: gay keepsake machete stock car

it’s called science

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605215)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 1:42 PM
Author: canary arousing pit

i love science so fucking much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605257)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 9:12 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607680)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 1:40 PM
Author: bistre point

Duh. I mean, who DOESNT know this already?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605238)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:51 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


I think its still up for debate. We don't want to cause BIERASURE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607519)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 2:23 PM
Author: At-the-ready Flesh Market Hissy Fit

debatable, but more importantly it denies gender identities of non-binary people.

thus they’ve come up with the term “omnisexual” which I just heard of last week when the 13 year old daughter of an acquaintance came out as one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42605526)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 6:58 PM
Author: P0astradamus

lol flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42606940)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:04 PM
Author: Brother Peter Dimond

not flame at all. insane the things they have kids doing/believing these days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42606971)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:26 PM
Author: P0astradamus

very $ick and $ad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607103)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:18 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


I think "bisexual" can cause non-binary erasure because it only includes having attracting to male and female genders but none of the other ones. but if people start believing this it could easily lead to bi-erasure which I think is where the crux of the problem is here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607055)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:20 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


we need to have microterms like omnisexual though, because you know who uses microterms? Neurodivergent people. And we don't want to cause neurodivergent erasure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607069)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:27 PM
Author: writer

ty. can you break down what a "demisexual" is?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607114)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 4:27 AM
Author: Anus horribilis

It means you can only get wet for Chad but you’re past your prime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609120)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 6:46 AM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


You only have a sexual attraction toward people you have an emotional bond with and thus are in between sexual and asexual

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609187)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 6:53 AM
Author: P0astradamus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609193)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:14 PM
Author: I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain

absolutely. there are only 2 genders and creating an arbitrary term for attraction to both literally erases the bisexual identity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607032)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:16 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


yeah thats what the argument is. that it causes bi erasure. but those people are wrong because pansexuality isn't loving EVERYONE, pansexuals like trannies and other things too where bisexuals don't like trannies. however you might say that the bisexuals who don't like trannies are transphobic. I think microterms like "pansexual" can sometimes be capable of causing erasure, but do you know who is more likely to use microterms? NEURODIVERGENT PEOPLE!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607043)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:21 PM
Author: I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain

trannies aren't real, bi people suck and fuck penis and asspussy (male) and clitoris (female). if somebody has neither nobody is attracted to them and they are sexually irrelevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607072)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:30 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


bisexual men are probably the peak human. bisexual female are flame because you can't have "sex" without a penis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607123)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:31 PM
Author: I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain

I thought even the rainbow people have basically admitted bi women and lipstick lesbos are doing it for the MALE GAZE and are furthering white supremacy by being conventionally attractive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607126)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:33 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


actual dykes are the lowest form of human being. cant even have "sex", and their personalities are garbage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607127)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:26 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


If you spent all this time calling people biphobic and saying they are causing bierasure and actually took the time to educate people, then guess what, there would BE less biphobia. There would BE less BIERASURE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607105)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:47 PM
Author: P0astradamus

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607489)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:37 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


I think it certainly can cause bierasure for sure. Microlabels that go beyond the standard LGBT model are causing people to abandon the standard LGBT model and now its hip with all the gen z kids to identify with those instead so its causing erasure of the main sexual identities which have been confirmed by science. Not to bring up science because it is a white spremacist paradigm which has also been used to supress trans and non-binary voices in the past. But it just had to be mentioned that y'all havent fully tested out the effects of some of these microlabels yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607140)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:40 PM
Author: P0astradamus

Is it possible to cause erasure of LGBTQs given how widely recognized those groups are? Acknowledging that someone is pansexual is more an act of affirming that person’s identity than it is an act of erasure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607152)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:54 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,,,...,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,,


You are putting in work in this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607554)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:59 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607589)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 9:01 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


People certainly have to think hard about their use of microlabels and its contributions to bierasure and other forms of problemmatic erasure, but you know who tends to you microlabels? Neurodivergent people. Sometimes it is comforting to neurodivergents to be able to use these lables to cope with systemic oppression.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607619)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 6:09 AM
Author: Long Doobsian Flying J RedWang Hehe-ing

We must defend and celebrate the non-cisgendered neuros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609160)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 5:48 AM
Author: The Manga-Perusing Attorney



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609142)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:38 PM
Author: creampie guy

this is hate speech and bi-erasure at it's most micro-egregious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607149)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 7:40 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


bierasure is one of the biggest problems we face in todays society

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607153)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:55 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,,,...,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,,


Imagine all the progress we wouldn’t have made without contributions from the bierasure community (and also the extra progress we could have made without their being oppressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607562)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:57 PM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


not sure exactly what you are saying but it sounds BIPHOBIC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607573)



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Date: June 10th, 2021 8:59 PM
Author: ralph cifaretto

none of these autistic freaks even have sex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42607599)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 1:59 AM
Author: holdupholdupwhat (π“€π“‚ΊπŸ‘©πŸ»‍🎀)

Afraid so

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Date: June 13th, 2021 8:15 PM
Author: holdupholdupwhat (π“€π“‚ΊπŸ‘©πŸ»‍🎀)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 2:20 AM
Author: .,..,,.......,,...,

As pansexuality is seemingly a fresh sexual identity to the mainstream, article upon article scrambles to explain it to audiences that may have never heard of it before. This is obviously a natural and good response to learning about relatively new terminology.

An issue here, however, is that almost all of these articles rely on comparisons to other identities — especially bisexuality — which actually spread misinformation and hurtful ideas in the process. Sometimes, they’re not even accurate to all pansexuals. This problem is especially dangerous when pansexuality is still an emerging orientation to the public, meaning that the first encounters many people have with it will be filled with inaccuracies.

Here is a brief rundown of the most prevalent explanations of pansexuality and why they’re harmful. Keep in mind that every description listed here is documented.

Definitions

Attraction to transgender people, unlike other sexualities, which only include cisgender people.

Why it’s biphobic: It disregards bisexual history. We’ve been allied with transgender communities since they existed. Claiming that bisexuality is transgender-exclusive feeds into biphobic and transphobic rhetoric and makes no sense if you don’t also believe that straightness and gayness are transgender-exclusive, which they’re not.

Why it’s transphobic: It implies transgender men and women are different genders from cisgender men and women, and reinforces the notion that denying attraction to transgender people is perfectly acceptable rather than rooted in transphobic assumptions about us and our bodies. It also ignores the fact that many transgender people are gay, straight, or bisexual.

Why it’s insulting to others: It invalidates every gay/straight/bi person with transgender partners.

Attraction to nonbinary people, unlike other sexualities, which only include men and/or women.

Why it’s biphobic: Same as the first. Bisexuals can and do date nonbinary people. The American Institute of Bisexuality (AIB) says “Bisexuality is an orientation for which sex and gender are not a boundary to attraction.” In other words, someone’s gender wouldn’t prevent a bisexual from finding them attractive, so being nonbinary wouldn’t automatically be a dealbreaker.

Why it’s transphobic: It exhibits a misunderstanding of nonbinary identity, implies that one needs a unique sexuality to be attracted to nonbinary people (which is false), and ignores the fact that not only are many of us gay, straight, or bisexual, but some of us are also men and/or women. “Nonbinary,” “male,” and “female” are not mutually exclusive.

Why it’s insulting to others: It invalidates every gay/straight/bi person with nonbinary partners.

Attraction to all sexes, unlike other sexualities, which do not include intersex people.

Why it’s biphobic: It’s false. Even if we were to define orientation around physical sex (which far fewer people do nowadays) where male gayness, for example, would be “attraction to males,” bisexuality would still be attraction regardless of sex.

Why it’s transphobic: It relies on cissexist assumptions of physical sex that excuse transphobes saying, for instance, they aren’t attracted to transgender men because they’re “only attracted to males.”

Why it’s intersexist: It implies that people can not only tell whether or not someone’s intersex without their disclosure, but justifiably reject “intersex” as a category in one’s attraction. This is not possible to do, as not even all intersex people know they’re intersex; it isn’t a wholly separate sex or gender category. It also ignores the fact that many intersex people are gay, straight, or bisexual.

Why it’s insulting to others: It invalidates every gay/straight/bi person with intersex partners.

Attraction regardless of genitalia; “hearts, not parts.” In contrast, other sexualities are genitalia-specific.

Why it’s homo/biphobic: It reinforces the stereotype that gay and bisexual people are shallow and sex-obsessed. Plus, bisexuals have also described their sexuality this way.

Why it’s transphobic: It equates genders to genitals, even though people can have any gender identity regardless of their physical characteristics. This excuses transphobes who justify their aversion to transgender people by saying they only like penises or vaginas (as if there aren’t transgender men with penises and transgender women with vaginas).

Why it’s inaccurate to pansexuals: Some pansexuals claim genital preferences or otherwise prefer sexual relations to romantic endeavors.

Why it’s insulting to others: Nobody is only attracted to genitals⁠ and nothing else — arguably, quite a few aren’t attracted to them at all. Someone doesn’t need to see their prospective crush nude to develop feelings for them. Orientation is not inherently or solely sexual. It’s inaccurate and condescending to paint everyone else as sex-obsessed, or even act like such an obsession would be bad.

Attraction without a preference or gender-specific attraction. In contrast, bisexuals have a gender preference or different attractions to different genders.

Why it’s biphobic: It’s false. While there are bisexuals who have favorites, many bisexuals experience the same attraction in more-or-less the same way to all genders. In fact, a common biphobic stereotype is that we’re indeed indiscriminate — and therefore indecisive and greedy.

Why it’s inaccurate to pansexuals: A number of pansexuals have gender preferences, and some only want to enter relationships with one particular gender.

Why it’s generally problematic: It ignores the fact that gender preferences can often form through internalized homo/biphobia, misogyny, living in a homophobic area, dysphoria, or trauma, which is generally not a recommended criterion to base one’s entire identity on. It’s unrealistic to act like people will be attracted to all people in the exact same way, because we’re all individuals.

Attraction primarily to personality; attraction to “people, not genders”; genderblind attraction, unlike other sexualities, which prioritize gender.

Why it’s biphobic: Plenty of bisexuals see gender as generally irrelevant to their attraction; this sentiment has been recorded since the 1970s.

Why it’s insulting to others: It paints everyone else as arbitrarily shallow. Pretty much everyone is attracted to people’s personalities; it’s a cornerstone of human socialization. It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straight man would enter a relationship with a woman he loathes simply because she’s a woman.

Why it’s inaccurate to pansexuals: Some pansexuals have gender preferences.

Why it’s generally problematic: The concept of “genderblindness,” while a nice concept, is unrealistic and dismissive— under our gender-binarist patriarchy, we see gender and act on gender biases whether we want to or not. “Genderblind” sentiment can also be seen as trivializing gendered experiences and issues, including transness and misogyny. (More on this here.) Not to mention, people with genders are still people, and the idea that everyone is inherently attracted to gender itself (as opposed to the people who most commonly have that gender) is debatable. I wouldn’t count on many people being turned on by the abstract concept of wo/manhood.

Attraction to all genders, unlike bisexuals, who are only attracted to two genders.

Why it’s biphobic: It’s false. Many bisexuals understand themselves as attracted to all genders. The “only two genders” definition of bisexuality depends on a misunderstanding of what “bi” means in this context (attraction to “similar and different” — not necessarily “two” — genders) and is virtually nowhere to be found among bisexual activists, literature, or organizations. The AIB tells us that “[b]isexuality is inherently inclusive of everyone, regardless of sex or gender.”

Why it’s transphobic: It encourages not only viewing nonbinary identities as entirely divorced from wo/manhood but believing that people can define their sexualities around (including or excluding) nonbinary people. Claiming that bisexuality can be attraction to “men and demimen” or “women and nonbinary people but not men” tokenizes and often misgenders the nonbinary people in question. It’s also just unrealistic. We exist outside models of sexuality.

Attraction to all gender expressions, unlike other sexualities, which are only attracted to specific presentations.

Why it’s inaccurate to pansexuals: Some pansexuals are only attracted to masculine, feminine, or androgynous individuals.

Why it’s generally problematic: It implies that other sexualities inherently exclude people solely based on their mannerisms or style of dress (which would further entail that, for example, a gay man attracted to feminine men has a different orientation than one attracted to androgynous men), when in reality, no other sexual orientation has ever been historically defined in terms of expression because all genders can be masculine, feminine, or androgynous. Anyone can be attracted to any gender expression.

Attraction to all genders, unlike bisexuals, who are not attracted to all genders.

Why it’s biphobic: It’s false. Many bisexuals understand themselves as attracted to all genders. Even vaguer definitions of bisexuality like “attraction to more than one gender” and “attraction to similar and different genders” are other ways to say “attraction to all genders.” The AIB tells us that “attraction to both same and different means attraction to all.” After all, “similar to” and “different from” are essentially the only two relationships one entity can have with another.

Bonus round: Pansexual people see their sexual orientation as a way of thinking that is disconnected from traditional ideas of gender, unlike other sexualities.

Why it’s biphobic: Bisexuals have theorized bisexuality as inherently non-binary and gender-transgressive for decades, and we still do.

Why it’s homophobic: Gay men and lesbians have, too, understood their sexualities in ways that turn traditional notions of gender on its head (see butch/femme culture, for instance). Attraction to the same gender inherently subverts these notions because most gender roles assume and expect heterosexuality.

Why it’s insulting to others: For the same reason the “attraction to nonbinary people” definition is harmful — it implies that other sexualities are not attracted to nonbinary or even gender-nonconforming people as they’re inherently divorced from traditional gender ideology and rules. In reality, anybody can understand their sexuality as disconnected from this, even cisgender heterosexuals. This mindset is not unique to any label.

“Well, what definition should I use?”

The answer’s quite easy:

Attraction to all genders; attraction regardless of gender; attraction where gender is not a boundary.

Simple, accurate, and doesn’t assume anything about anyone else. No comparisons are necessary.

As a general note, “all genders” and “regardless of gender” communicate the same concept. “Regardless” doesn’t necessarily mean not caring and it’s not the same as being “genderblind”; some people who use the “all” definition don’t care about gender, and some who use “regardless” for themselves have a gender preference.

Think of it like this: if someone likes all flavors of cake, they’d be happy to eat a slice regardless of its flavor, even if red velvet is their favorite. If you’re attracted to all genders, then you can be attracted to people no matter what their gender is (i.e., regardless of gender), and if you would date someone no matter what their gender is, you’re open to dating people of any and all genders. Essentially, gender is not a determining factor in your attraction.

“So how do I explain the difference between bisexual and pansexual attraction?”

You can’t. Every definition of pansexual orientation — even the bigoted ones, like those implying that liking transgender women makes a straight man bisexual — are also ways a number of bisexuals have described (their) bisexuality. No definition of either label is universally agreed upon (I’ve even seen, on rare occasion, pansexuality defined as attraction to “both men and women,” “three or more” or just “many” genders), and there is simply no definite material difference between these two labels in terms of desire.

The AIB—which explicitly supports alternative labels for bisexuality — also says that “labels like pansexual, polysexual, omnisexual, and ambisexual also describe a person with homosexual [same-gender] and heterosexual [different-gender] attractions, and therefore people who have chosen those labels are also bisexual.”

Not to mention, there are people who identify as bisexual and pansexual simultaneously, not claiming to have two sexual orientations. If there are people who find so little difference between the two labels that they can comfortably identify as both, that should speak on how they’re actually used in real life (i.e., to communicate the same attraction).

The closest thing to a difference between in desire is that not every bisexual considers themselves attracted to transgender/nonbinary people, but you could say the same thing about gay and straight folks, and we shouldn’t distinguish orientations this way in the first place. It excuses transphobia from individual bisexuals, implies that pansexuality is inherently more inclusive or less transphobic, and normalizes the idea that “transgender,” “nonbinary,” and “cisgender” are clear-cut categories that we can find attractive or reject in their entirety.

If someone wants to discuss differences between the labels in other ways unrelated to attraction, they could talk about the histories of each term and the primary goals each one typically has (Shiri Eisner notes that bisexuality “comes from a type of political thought based on sexual identity” and focuses on how society treats bisexual attraction, while pansexuality is more based in gender identity and focuses more on awareness of transgender/nonbinary people), but when it comes to actually explain pansexuality, there’s no need to try pulling it apart from other labels. Some words being synonymous with others doesn’t inherently delegitimize any of them, and identities don’t need to be mutually exclusive with all others. Trying to posit bisexuality and pansexuality as inherently separate restricts the diversity within both labels

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42608913)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 6:38 AM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


Just read this entire thing. Actually Cr. I think I, going to jump on the boat and start identifying as bisexual before I miss my chance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609183)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 7:37 AM
Author: .,..,,.......,,...,



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609257)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 7:26 AM
Author: The two most overrated things in the world

It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straight man would enter a relationship with a woman he loathes simply because she’s a woman.

It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straight man would enter a relationship with a woman he loathes simply because she’s a woman.

It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straight man would enter a relationship with a woman he loathes simply because she’s a woman.

It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straight man would enter a relationship with a woman he loathes simply because she’s a woman.

It’s unrealistic to think that, for instance, a straight man would enter a relationship with a woman he loathes simply because she’s a woman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609240)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 7:28 AM
Author: ,.,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...:,.,.:..:,.,:.::,.


This is actually what happens all the time now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609244)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 7:34 AM
Author: I only listen to the Jesus and Mary Chain

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609253)



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Date: June 11th, 2021 7:37 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609258)



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Date: June 13th, 2021 9:16 PM
Author: P0astradamus



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Date: June 11th, 2021 8:59 AM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

"Shiri Eisner notes that ...."

well, in that case, who am i to argue?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4853750&forum_id=2#42609476)