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some priests openly calling Pope the antichrist

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disgruntled trads are going to the sspx. the word is out in...
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i heard an interesting saying today. italians say "ski...
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  07/21/21
This is naive. We’re in the middle of an unprecedented...
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It's actually not inconceivable that they'll pick an african...
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Lib (((Catholics))) accidentally installing a conservahero P...
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Lol Francis has ostracized him and loaded the college with l...
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Note i said like sarah, not sarah
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Zero chance.
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this is true to a degree. the church measures years in cent...
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Not extremely responsive, but if you visit castle gondolfo n...
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well, the point i was making is more like we may not benefit...
thirsty azn spot
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Fair enough, I take your point about most popes to some exte...
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agreed. benedict's hermeneutic of continuity was an attempt...
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related: it's god's humor that the monsignor being taken dow...
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Lol, tyft
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Can’t the bishop sell all your parish’s stuff ou...
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Particular orders (like fssp, but also dominicans etc.) have...
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Not precisely the same thing, but the subject of corrupt bis...
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i don't know the answer to this to be honest. the parishone...
thirsty azn spot
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So it’s an FSSP parish then? That might be. But und...
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yes.
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why does this priest have his astrology sign on his twitter ...
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good question
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Probably not serious. If he has an std (vatican equivalent o...
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he's sspx. some of them can be pretty out there.
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http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4880720&mc=2...
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He’s using “Leo” as one of his identifying...
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One of the things I find beautiful about the catholic church...
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Dude, you spout heretical stuff all the time. There’s ...
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What are the reasons to avoid astrology?
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From the Didache (first century): My child, be not an obser...
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And are we actually sure Leo is referring to the astrologica...
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Well it’s obviously not a nickname. Look again. What e...
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Pope Leo? Someone should ask him
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That doesn’t make sense, especially b/c there over are...
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Could it be something else? Maybe. Leo means Lion in Latin.
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I can't find him mentioning astrology anywhere but I found t...
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lol holy shit "The New Testament may refer to Aquari...
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lol 180
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Get on twitter and ask him
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long live Pope Francis
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this is why you should be locked in a nunnery. No one wants...
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I support the Pope. Sorry that makes you angry and bitter. A...
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your ultramontanism is disconcerting. it's okay to say he's...
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i’m not a hardcore ultramontanist, ted. maybe i should...
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you seem sane
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i can respect that.
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also, i’m not sure what exactly about my response to b...
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no no no...i just picked this subthread to make the observat...
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I really like it here
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And based on your other posts, you hate all Catholics. So wh...
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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/77954.The_Second_Coming
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Calling other people dumb doesn’t make you seem smarte...
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LONG LIVE POPE FRANCIS
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I agree but what we have here is a tricky situation. This is...
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“more important that I piss off Jews than avoid worshi...
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if you're catholic, sede is the only logical position at thi...
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read siscoe and salza's true pope false pope. sedevacantism...
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you don't know wtf you're talking about https://youtu.be/vf...
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i dont know if the dimonds are good proof texting on this. ...
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Dimond cites Bellarmine profusely in the video.
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i will watch it later and give some feedback. probably tomo...
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i have 2 pages of notes on this. i think, at bottom, the cr...
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I don't have the competence to debate you on this topic (I'm...
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Can someone explain sspx and fssp?
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Cq. tedbeckersted requires a glossary to follow his Catholic...
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i forget that most catholics are not knee deep in this stuff...
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sspx is the society of st. pius x. it was founded by Arch. ...
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And each catholic church belongs to either one of the 2?
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they are very very small. less than 1% of catholics if i ha...
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Ty. Where can i read up on these kinds of things?
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Date: July 19th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: cracking cowardly french chef site

https://twitter.com/GregorisFr/status/1416102751533244416

Fr. Nicholas Gregoris, S.T.D.

@GregorisFr

In the name of Tradition Bergoglio attacks Tradition. In the name of Unity Bergoglio foments Schism. This is the work of the Evil One not the Holy Spirit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42806670)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:04 AM
Author: rose exciting gay wizard

shiiit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821139)



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Date: July 19th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

Lol i think Protestantism is about to get a nice little covid bump lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42806679)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:53 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

disgruntled trads are going to the sspx. the word is out in the community, stay in for the long haul and drive to fssp parishes.

trads are the last to go to one of the protestant sects. they would go EO, the eastern rites, or sede chapels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815636)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:55 AM
Author: disrespectful orchestra pit

TY for this scholarship, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815646)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:58 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i heard an interesting saying today. italians say "skinny pope, fat pope, skinny pope, fat pope" meaning popes come and go. what we got right now? skinny pope? ok.

at the most charitable, this was at least mean. at the least charitable, it was evil. either way, bad move. and it already looks to be backfiring. a lot of bishops are like "yeeeaaaaah, that's a cool paper you typed out, bro" and are going to functionally ignore it. francis started the concept of synodality and now he's stuck with it. this is particularly the case where personal parishes are the only ones growing. some will meekly obey hoping to rise in the hierarchy, but a lot view trads as "meh, they donate a lot and tend to leave us alone. if they yell at each other in an echo chamber it's not really a big deal."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815664)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:01 AM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

This is naive. We’re in the middle of an unprecedented cultural revolution of which the current pope is a proponent. There’s no going back to “conservative” popes after this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815674)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:03 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

It's actually not inconceivable that they'll pick an african pope like cardinal sarah next in the misguided assumption he's progressive b/c black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815684)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:06 AM
Author: disrespectful orchestra pit

Lib (((Catholics))) accidentally installing a conservahero POC as Pope would truly be one of the most hilarious and wonderful events in human history, no exaggeration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815694)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:38 AM
Author: primrose casino genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815809)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:07 AM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

Lol Francis has ostracized him and loaded the college with lib fags. They all know Sarah is based AF and would never nominate him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815696)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:11 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

Note i said like sarah, not sarah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815708)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:04 AM
Author: sapphire bossy parlour jewess

Zero chance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816641)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:11 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

this is true to a degree. the church measures years in centuries. we may not get a "good pope" for 15 to 20 years. benedict was an "okay" pope. i would say the same about jp ii, but he made more blunders one can point to specifically (assisi meeting, etc). it's also probable that both were cornered into ineffective papacies. jp ii became the first "flying" pope who set the stage for francis...so good/bad. jp ii, it is rumored, became a flying pope because the vatican was already VERY corrupt. benedict was simply too cerebral a person and was content to stay in castle gandalfo and write things. and the two things he did were good in the long run. he exposed the vatican bank scandal and summorum pontificum. while SP has been abrogated, he at least brought some normalcy to the bank.

also, it is likely we get a worse pope than francis next. we're not getting sarah or arinze unfortunately.

but skinny pope, fat pope. we've had terrible popes before. we must carry the cross and suffer the burden. it could be worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815707)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:14 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

Not extremely responsive, but if you visit castle gondolfo now, the offices are still full of things like german dictionaries on patristic greek. You can tell it's a time capsule of benedict. He wasn't the best pontiff and couldn't handle the chaos, but i still really love the man and hope he's ok in retirement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815717)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:19 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

well, the point i was making is more like we may not benefit from a good pope, but i hope that my children do and my grandchildren do. so i continue to support my traditional priests and actually will do more to do so. my parish bought the first house and the rectory so our priests are secure. i worry about priests in situations that are not self sustaining. tbf, i don't think there are many trad priests in that situation. most of them, by priest standards, live quite well or are at least stable. it's the diocese priests who are trad in nature who are unstable.

benedict was simply not suited to fix the curia and rome. you need someone to come in and clean house. i don't know any of them have that type of make up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815730)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:30 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

Fair enough, I take your point about most popes to some extent. Perhaps one in a century will make a huge difference for the better like Pius X and that will trickle down throughout all of Christendom, but it usually doesn't impact your own family life. Trad parishes outside of the normal dioceses will probably hold together, it's good of you to tend to yours and I know trads in my area are rallying behind the one fssp church (financially, not just spiritually).

I still think it's worth being sad for benedict though for a moment. In a time of calm, overly-scholarly pontiff lost in his books would have been fine. He ascended in a particularly awful era for a man like him (although agreed, I'm not sure who would actually thrive). Worse, he helped to create the mess by not anticipating how far the "spirit" of VCII would get pushed. It's not directly harming your kids, but it's still a tragic story of a man that really did seem to mean well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815764)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:35 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

agreed. benedict's hermeneutic of continuity was an attempt to theologically bridge the gap and i think it actually was and is sound. but the reality is the when you're fighting against the liberal menace, the actual documents of vatican ii don't matter since that's not what you are promoting. you're promoting the "spirit" of vatican ii which means whatever the fuck you want it to mean at this moment and not the documents that were all agreed upon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815797)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 3:13 AM
Author: disrespectful orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816016)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:37 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

related: it's god's humor that the monsignor being taken down for the grindr shenanigans is from the diocese of la crosse, wisconsin, the same diocese that took a parish and faculties away from fr. james altman. guess god said "you take one, i take one...lets see if they match."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815804)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:44 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

Lol, tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815824)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 3:13 AM
Author: disrespectful orchestra pit

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816017)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:50 PM
Author: razzmatazz feces sandwich



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:40 AM
Author: primrose casino genital piercing

Can’t the bishop sell all your parish’s stuff out from under you, though, and spend the money sponsoring programs that send Somalis to Minnesota or whatever, if he prefers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815814)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:57 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

Particular orders (like fssp, but also dominicans etc.) have their own bishops.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815863)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 3:15 AM
Author: disrespectful orchestra pit

Not precisely the same thing, but the subject of corrupt bishops reminds me of a great Peter Kreeft quote:

"Judas was the first bishop to take a government grant."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816020)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:28 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i don't know the answer to this to be honest. the parishoners bought the two houses. i think they are titled to the fssp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817445)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:03 AM
Author: primrose casino genital piercing

So it’s an FSSP parish then? That might be.

But under normal circumstances, the diocesan bishop “owns” everything and can do with it what he wants, regardless of who paid for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821134)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:06 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821141)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:39 AM
Author: cracking cowardly french chef site



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:08 AM
Author: mint home ceo

why does this priest have his astrology sign on his twitter bio?

https://twitter.com/GregorisFr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815701)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:09 AM
Author: black theater stage

good question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815703)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:11 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

Probably not serious. If he has an std (vatican equivalent of phd), there's a good chance he went to the gregorian vel sim.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815706)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:11 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

he's sspx. some of them can be pretty out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815709)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 9:38 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4880720&mc=21&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816535)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:02 AM
Author: black theater stage

He’s using “Leo” as one of his identifying labels, which is ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816627)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:08 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

One of the things I find beautiful about the catholic church is even with its hierarchical structure there has historically been a lot of openness and diversity of spiritual practice

I'm not saying astrology has a place in that but I do love the way different orders practice their charisms. Maybe we all have a link back to worldliness that helps save the lost

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816652)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:13 AM
Author: black theater stage

Dude, you spout heretical stuff all the time. There’s a reason why people are warned to avoid astrology. Pope Francis has spoken out against both horoscopes and tarot cards. Of course it’s interesting to view the planets as part of God’s beautiful and mysterious creation but dabbling in modern astrology is poisonous to the soul. This is a complex topic and I’ve studied certain aspects of it but yeah, it’s weird to see a priest labeling himself as a “Leo!” especially because he’s defying the Church in other ways at the same time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816670)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:25 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

What are the reasons to avoid astrology?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816718)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:28 AM
Author: black theater stage

From the Didache (first century):

My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leads the way to idolatry; neither an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a purifier, nor be willing to look at these things; for out of all these idolatry is engendered.

———

This is a complex topic but us you’re interested, there’s plenty for you to read online



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816735)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:11 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

And are we actually sure Leo is referring to the astrological sign?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816665)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:13 AM
Author: black theater stage

Well it’s obviously not a nickname. Look again. What else could it be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816672)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:14 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

Pope Leo? Someone should ask him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816673)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:18 AM
Author: black theater stage

That doesn’t make sense, especially b/c there over are a dozen Pope Leos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816696)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:25 AM
Author: black theater stage

Could it be something else? Maybe. Leo means Lion in Latin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816719)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:28 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

I can't find him mentioning astrology anywhere but I found this paper where his name is mentioned, and there seems to be some argumentation about astrology in the early church

https://getd.libs.uga.edu/pdfs/smith_cynthia_m_201105_ma.pdf

"In Revelation a primary motif is the myth of the end of the universe or the end of the age. There is a theory that the early Christians were astrologers or influenced by astrology in that they were living then and we are living now in the Age of Pisces on the Zodiac, and the next age will be the Age of Aquarius..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816734)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:29 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

lol holy shit

"The New Testament may refer to Aquarius (the Water Bearer) in two Gospels: Mark 14:13: "He sent two of his disciples and said to them, 'Go into the city and a man will meet you, carrying a jar of water. Follow him.'" and Luke 22:10-12: "And he answered them, 'When you go into the city, a man will meet you carrying a jar of water. Follow him into the house that he enters and say to the master of the house, "The teacher says to you, 'Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?'" He will show you a large upper room that is furnished. Make the preparations there.'""

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816744)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: black theater stage

MiG I’m sorry but you’re not someone I feel comfortable engaging with in these topics. We do not share the same beliefs and you tend to excitedly embrace every theory you happen to find on Google. Our conversations about religion end here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816758)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816761)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:43 AM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821314)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:31 AM
Author: Low-t Sticky Market

Get on twitter and ask him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816754)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:35 AM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

I'm not giving twitter my phone number

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816775)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:10 AM
Author: black theater stage

long live Pope Francis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815704)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:20 AM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

lol cuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815734)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:16 AM
Author: Beta forum elastic band

this is why you should be locked in a nunnery. No one wants to hear the opinions of a barren womb Irish skag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816690)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:22 AM
Author: black theater stage

I support the Pope. Sorry that makes you angry and bitter. And I’m 26 and in a marriage-track relationship with a wonderful man who also wants to get married and start having kids in the next few years (God-willing). You sound like a mean person and I don’t care if you disagree with me on religious topics. Go be bitter and play with your tarot cards somewhere else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816711)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:29 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

your ultramontanism is disconcerting. it's okay to say he's a shitty pope, but respect the office. the history of the church is full of shitty popes, he's just the latest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817450)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:35 PM
Author: black theater stage

i’m not a hardcore ultramontanist, ted. maybe i should be. i respect you b/c your presence here exudes piety although i know we disagree on some things. i’m just a catholic who supports the pope. that is all. i love francis.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817475)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:37 PM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

you seem sane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817482)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:47 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i can respect that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817524)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:38 PM
Author: black theater stage

also, i’m not sure what exactly about my response to being called a “barren womb irish skag” (lol, he wishes) signaled to you that i’m an ultramontanist. yes, of course i revere the pope, but that’s not a political statement in my eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817490)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:48 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

no no no...i just picked this subthread to make the observation generally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817527)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:26 AM
Author: Awkward Fanboi

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816728)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:30 AM
Author: black theater stage

Is this the subthread where all the bitter men are hanging out? Cool.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816748)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:12 AM
Author: sapphire bossy parlour jewess

I really like it here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816976)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:36 AM
Author: black theater stage

And based on your other posts, you hate all Catholics. So why would I ever take your opinion on Francis seriously? Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816781)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:31 AM
Author: White Den Cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816753)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: black theater stage

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816760)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:14 AM
Author: mint home ceo

damn he called him by his given name instead of his papal name

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815720)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:28 AM
Author: erotic violent coffee pot school

Retards scuffling

If y’all Christians can’t figure out we are living in the end times and that Jesus’ return has already taken place (albeit not in the fashion expected by the faithful (just as his first advent was in a fashion not expected by the Pharisees)) I don’t know what to tell you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815751)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:32 AM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

describe how the second coming has already happened

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815778)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:55 AM
Author: primrose casino genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42815851)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 3:17 AM
Author: disrespectful orchestra pit

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/77954.The_Second_Coming

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816026)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:03 AM
Author: black theater stage

Calling other people dumb doesn’t make you seem smarter, by the way, especially since you don’t do a good job at all of detailing your point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816634)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:05 AM
Author: black theater stage

LONG LIVE POPE FRANCIS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816645)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:31 AM
Author: White Den Cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816756)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 10:29 AM
Author: Low-t Sticky Market

I agree but what we have here is a tricky situation. This is exactly what libs and jews wanted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42816742)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:40 PM
Author: cruel-hearted half-breed

“more important that I piss off Jews than avoid worshipping the antichrist” (xo po

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817496)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:26 PM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

if you're catholic, sede is the only logical position at this point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817433)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:51 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

read siscoe and salza's true pope false pope. sedevacantism doesn't make sense even if the current occupant of the chair of st. peter is awful/terrible/an agent of satan even.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817534)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:53 PM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

you don't know wtf you're talking about

https://youtu.be/vfdJ0g5dnho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817538)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 12:59 PM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

even if we did live in a trailer, which we dont, our material refutes this false religion

https://youtu.be/XRLOQUnw-FY?t=6275

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817557)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:03 PM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

Bro Peter Dimond is 190

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817577)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:04 PM
Author: excitant alpha parlor

one of my favorite things about him is the fact that he doesn't live in a trailer, though even if he did, he refutes jay dyer's false religion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817581)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:10 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817616)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:09 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i dont know if the dimonds are good proof texting on this. with that said, i haven't watched it so i would need to actually dig in. bellarmine really is the definitive source on this. the sspx actually has a good little primer on this.

and, again, i advise reading siscoe and salza. it's a little more than a 20 minute video.

don't let your hate of the man (very valid btw) make you jump off the barque. would i love for him to fall into formal heresy? sure. cause a crisis, have him removed, but that's too easy and not how the evil one works. what he wants is for you to leave the church. then he has won.

http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/sedevacantism/little_catechism_on_sedevacantism.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817614)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:14 PM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

Dimond cites Bellarmine profusely in the video.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817633)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:15 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i will watch it later and give some feedback. probably tomorrow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817643)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:36 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i have 2 pages of notes on this. i think, at bottom, the crux of the issue with his interpretation is what is a manifest heretic. and he assumes manifest heresy is not a term of art.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/sedemanifest.htm

as you can see, it is a far more complex issue than he states. and i think siscoe handles it well here and better in his text true or false pope. isbn 9781495181429 with a forward by his excellency bernard fellay.

but, let's address some of his proof texting. he starts by saying a manifest heretic exercising office loses his jurisdiction and, in the case of a pope, his universal jrx. this is true. but he references paul iv on the note that a manifest heretic loses his jrx prior to the elevation and nullifies his promotion. we simply do not know enough about francis' preaching prior to make this applicable here.

he uses nestorius and celestine as his prime example. it is comparing apples to oranges as nestorius was a bishop and celestine was a pope. the pope was exercising his jrx here on a subordinate. he wants to make that map onto a situation where the chief executive, as it were, were privy to the same process. that is simply not the case.

dimond appeals to various private correspondence both to confreres and to a congregation to strengthen his argument. but he loses sight of the fact that the development of papal authority that was explicitly made manifest in vatican i. these private correspondences do not bind. as we know now, not even motu proprios to the whole church are not binding upon successors occupying the same office because of the plenary power that the pope has with re: to disciplines. this is pivotal to understand w/r/t to distinctions. the pope's power over disciplines is plenary, not over dogma as the pope has a most limited power over that and has almost never been exercised. ultimately, private correspondences to people or congregations are not binding upon successors and while are persuasive, they are not authoritative.

he moves to quoting leo xiii in statis cognitum, 1896. 2 things come to mind. 1) preaching against a doctrine proposed by the authentic magisterium results in heresy. 2) the historical milieu of leo xiii. as to 1), the problem that the church faces now is the dual issue of what happens when the authentic magisterium w/r/t to what can classed as disciplines/pastoral approach is in tension with the deposit of the faith? i think we would both agree that the deposit always wins, but the pastoral approach is meant to lead people TO the deposit for their full assent. it begs the question: is vatican ii (and vatican i ultimately) the authentic magisterium? and if francis is preaching the authentic magisterium of vatican ii THEN he is not a manifest heretic. 2) leo's papacy was on the backdrop of the ascent of modernism within the clergy. so, he was basically anticipating francis' of the world and could have weilded a far sharper cleaver, but did not. maybe this was because he was using a tool, a papal encyclical that is far higher in authority than a private correspondence so he exercised discretion limited to the facts before him. i am not here to question his judgment.

celestine's core complaint about nestorius, rightly so, was that he was preaching heresy in his office while concurrently exercising his office in a way to force conformity at the risk of excommunication for those who would not assent to his heresy. this is very different than what francis can be fairly accused of or even any of his predecessors. francis, maybe under the influence of satan (lets be honest), is very clever. he talks outside of mass settings about various issues that are controversial and think contradict the inherited deposit, but never in a preaching capacity (unless we want to argue--and one can reasonably do so--that his entire existence is preaching). to the parenthetical point, there is a great irony that i would defend his occupation of the office by saying "well, he is not preaching when he's being a fucking idiot" when i am sure in his mind he is likely to ascribe to concept of "always teach the faith and when that fails, talk about it" of the felt banner crowd. i see the tension.

around 4:30 he shows francis nodding at a koran. here is the problem: this is a natural extension of the document on ecumenism of vatican ii. the issue is then about whether or not that document and the natural consequences thereof are the authentic magisterium. i would say not, but that issue has not been put to bed yet as there is a GENERAL assent to it, but not a complete assent to bring the documents of vatican ii to the strength of authority to be called "an element of the sensus fidelium". that is obviously the case since we are here talking about these things right now and the institute, society, and fraternity (plus myriad lesser societies) exist. had vatican ii the power of the sensus fidelium all of this would be moot.

dimond is right on the divine law, but we still require a process. at 13:40. admittedly pachamama is strong evidence, 14:55. but you still need the process.

he moves to mackenzie's dissertation and this is where the analysis truly falls apart. there is no need to even discuss the authority of a dissertation that even he claims is full of modernism. it does not even register. but let's entertain it for completeness' sake. he draws the distinction between notorious in law and notorious in fact. he notes that the latter, where he places all post vatican ii popes, requires knowing intent to not teach the authentic magisterium. but we already know the document on ecumenism and its implementation is still a battlefield, Unitatis Redintegratio. francis does not act in subterfuge, but he openly on what he considers the full expression of this ultimately pastoral document. his reliance on mackenzie is the tool he uses to bridge the gulf to declaring francis, and his predecessors, manifest heretics. but it simply does not have the authority to provide the foundation for what he claims. even looking at it from a more removed 30,000 foot perspective, when one has to dig so deep in the vaults to find some otherwise unknown dissertation tells you that he cannot find the authority in any binding texts to support his leap.

ultimately, i understand what dimond is trying to do, but the crux of his argument relies on leaps that he cannot justify with authority. i can't stand francis, but he is the pope. and maybe he will be found to be a manifest heretic, i can't say. but his argument, though strong argument, rests on a foundation that is faulty in one strong respect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821050)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:37 AM
Author: Crusty clear circlehead

I don't have the competence to debate you on this topic (I'm not Catholic but simply find the current cultural schism in the church interesting as an observer).

Couple things:

(1) The Dimonds would say Vatican 2 is not valid for myriad reasons, (see eg https://youtu.be/BWsgxCVYtAI) and can't be used in arguments to prove Francis is somehow a valid pope because his actions are consistent with it. The Dimonds argue that the papal chair in fact became vacant upon Vatican 2 IIRC

(2) if the church can't even depose a pope who you admit is under the influence of satan, what's the process worth then? When would the pope ever be declared heretical?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821298)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:14 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i think the fact i have this level of competence in this topic is an indictment of my decision making to a large degree. i need to pick my interests more carefully. thanks though.

the dimonds, to be frank, are the epitome of having just 2 or 3 too many IQ points to function properly. they're right in that sliver of a soft spot where you're smart enough to be fucking retards. 1) a shitty council does not nullify the church especially when it was not doctrinal and 2) the entire old testament to a large degree is the story of the people being chastised for bad priests. st. john eudes says the greatest chastisement god gives man is bad priests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42822715)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 1:13 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i would further recommend fr. chad ripperger's the binding force of tradition. taken together you get a strong framework for analysis on not only this, but many topics on re: church.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42817628)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:47 PM
Author: red faggotry

Can someone explain sspx and fssp?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821101)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:50 PM
Author: harsh diverse hunting ground

Cq. tedbeckersted requires a glossary to follow his Catholicism poasting. Would be worth it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821106)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:54 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

i forget that most catholics are not knee deep in this stuff. it's basically not only my spiritual path, but my intellectual candy. so i just say shit like cats know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821115)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:52 PM
Author: thirsty azn spot

sspx is the society of st. pius x. it was founded by Arch. Marcel Lefebvre. it was created to preserve both the latin mass, the rituals attendant to same, and the deposit of faith generally. they encourage dialogue with rome re: elements of vatican ii, mainly the document on ecumenism. they have a rocky relationship with rome. currently, their priests have faculties.

the fssp is the fraternity of st. peter. it is an off shoot of the sspx and was formed by priests of the sspx who wanted a regular status with rome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821113)



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Date: July 21st, 2021 11:55 PM
Author: red faggotry

And each catholic church belongs to either one of the 2?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821117)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:00 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

they are very very small. less than 1% of catholics if i had to guess, and i'm pretty confident of that.

think of them like orders IN the church that carry on a particular function. their function is to carry on the latin mass for those who have a preference for it. and this is really where a lot of the tension with the pope (and rome generally) lay. most priests of both orders, when pressed, would say yes the new mass is VALID, but it is not the full expression of the faith. so the issue of preference is invalid. when you have to choose between options and we are talking about worship, then in net effect you don't really HAVE a choice. you always render the worship befitting god unless you can't. herein lies the tension.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821128)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:05 AM
Author: red faggotry

Ty. Where can i read up on these kinds of things?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821140)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:09 AM
Author: thirsty azn spot

honestly, i would first read/listen to lefebvre's open letter to confused catholics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SVoWZ5LYLU then there is a primer faq on the sspx that's good. https://www.amazon.com/asked-questions-about-Society-Saint/dp/0935952438

then when you are done realize that a lot of what we are dealing with flows from marcel lefebvre's dissent. the fssp doesn't exist but for him. etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821156)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:14 AM
Author: Gold demanding area

They appointed a literal South American liberation theology Marxist as "Pope". What else did they expect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42821187)



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Date: July 22nd, 2021 7:25 AM
Author: honey-headed party of the first part hairy legs

This is what the lib cardinals, e.g. germans to a man, wanted, and they're still not happy enough with the results to necessarily keep their bishops from further schism. It's an absolute mess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4881214&forum_id=2#42822207)