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Israel Health Ministry: Vaccine only 16% effective against Delta
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:53 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqVAiPXbJc
I thought it was bad, but this is terrible. Those vaccinated in January, 16% effective against infection. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:26 PM Author: odious quadroon This is something that was entirely predictable.
The "Vaccine" in this case is more of a gene therapy that teaches the body a shortcut to produce a molecule that interferes with the virus, rather than actually mapping the virus and developing a comprehensive immunological response.
It's the same thing as getting the answers to a physics or math problem, getting it right, then being unable to solve a slightly different problem due to not knowing the theory and actual mechanisms of solving the equation. |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 12:24 PM Author: burgundy laser beams MFCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42834536) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:55 PM Author: know-it-all medicated lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42838792) |
Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:56 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Seems like you only get the short term immunity, not the long term T-cell immunity from the vaccine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831270) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 6:33 PM Author: Violent Stock Car This can’t be real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831463) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:14 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes It is. Those vaccinated in January, it’s 16%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831681) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:29 PM Author: Violent Stock Car I’ll look more into this
Just means they’re going to push the booster shots HARD if this is true though |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:31 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes That’s how Pharma plans to make money. Don’t cure, treat. Monetize vaccines … never thought possible, but if you make them specific enough …. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831775) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:08 PM Author: Apoplectic pocket flask institution Competitors have an incentive to cure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832447) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 11:59 AM Author: Tan bateful brunch If I May, And an even bigger incentive to collude |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:38 PM Author: Multi-colored state It will be fun watching US try to force biyearly boosters on the entire populace too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831809) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:26 PM Author: Violent Stock Car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831984) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 8:02 AM Author: big-titted chapel Ljl at this planet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42833843) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 1:03 PM Author: cracking people who are hurt pit Chinese social credit system with same consequences if you don’t show your updated “tags” twice a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42834720) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 6:38 PM Author: Primrose Pea-brained Rigpig Pervert A Youtube link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831490) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:13 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes It’s on the Israeli Health Ministry website. Look it up yourself.
And the youtube is Dr. John Campbell who is a polar opposite of an anti-vax. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:31 PM Author: Supple Idea He Suggested Abode do you have reuters/cnn/something actually trust worthy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832002) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:00 PM Author: Violent Stock Car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832431) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:31 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Cannot tell if serious. It’s in WSJ, Forbes, Bloomberg, but they don’t highlight the 16% number. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832585) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 1:05 PM Author: yellow background story To be fair,
Actually lol’d at this, ty |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 6:39 PM Author: swashbuckling national security agency space how relevant is "infection" though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831495) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:15 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Pretty fucking relevant as we were sold on 95% effective against infection in the study. And FDA said it would not approve any vaccine less than 50%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831693) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:17 PM Author: swashbuckling national security agency space did they say that or was it deaths, hospitalization (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831700) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:22 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes They did say that:
Section V. E.
https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download
Lots of press on it too.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccines/fda-to-require-at-least-50-efficacy-for-covid-19-vaccines-wsj |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:42 PM Author: lavender national very misleading title.
in any case, it does seem like vaccine provides you with only ~4 months of good immunity, which is not bad but not as good as we thought.
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:45 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Title is not misleading at all.
Biden is jumping up and down no boosters needed. Unvax spreading. Etc. that is all misleading.
Right now all those healthcare workers and others in the first round have 16% protection against symptomatic infection (which means they can spread).
Those infected with SARS1 had immunity 17 years later. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:47 PM Author: lavender national yeah one would most likely need booster shot within 4 months
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:47 PM Author: Multi-colored state It's even worse in that no one ever implied before that boosters would ever be required. If people thought they'd have to do this every 4-6 months, or if they even knew the number of breakthrough cases, hardly anyone would have gotten vaxxed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831851) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:51 PM Author: lavender national tbf, it is possible that the need for booster was inconclusive at that time.
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:54 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes I mean, this is why it takes 10 years or more for FDA to approve a vaccine …. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831884) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:36 PM Author: Comical translucent stead to be fair, boosters were previously predicted to deal with variants, not to boost the original covid shot immunity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42838731) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:56 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes So if you are young, you can get Covid have a 99.99% chance of survival and 99.9% of NBD and be good for at least 17 years or more, or you can get a shot every quarter that will fuck you up for the rest of your life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831893) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:57 PM Author: sadistic flickering immigrant Dude even CNN is fact checking Biden on this fraud
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:44 PM Author: Violent Stock Car Covid-19 vaccines Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit and you're not going to die." In another exchange moments later, Biden said that even if vaccinated people do "catch the virus," they are "not likely to get sick." But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines "cover" the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: "You're not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations."
Lord have mercy. This man needs to be put down
Libs explain yourselves |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:48 PM Author: lavender national OOC, what are they saying about hospitalization rate after 6 months? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831859) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:54 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes 80s or so. Graph is on the last page. We were sold on effectively 100%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831882) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:59 PM Author: Fighting razzle hospital ladyboy Vax is essentially ineffective against Delta. Hospitalization and severe illness rates are only slightly better among the vaxxed than the unvaccinated. Those with the J&J vax have essentially no protection whatsoever, and Pfizer/Moderna are just slightly better than norhing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831905) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:04 PM Author: lavender national I am a fully vaccinated provaxxer, but things are not looking too good with this delta and also potentially lambda.
lol
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 7:58 PM Author: Magenta mischievous organic girlfriend returns to 95% effectiveness with monthly boosters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831901) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:29 PM Author: Supple Idea He Suggested Abode well im certainly not an idiot so sign me up! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831996) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:00 PM Author: drunken sapphire casino Time to mask up, lockdown and blame the people who have not got “vaccinated”.
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:05 PM Author: Violent Stock Car Yes
Not sure why this is so difficult for trumpmos to accept |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:31 PM Author: Supple Idea He Suggested Abode theyve been brainwashed by Fox News (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832005) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:12 PM Author: Spectacular dog poop ljl @ vaxmos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831943) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:28 PM Author: Supple Idea He Suggested Abode dont worry theyll all be gone soon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831990) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:24 PM Author: Violent Stock Car Ok so I just watched it
So basically the entire narrative that the vaxxed are protected from covid and spreading it to others is hogwash, but at least the vax protects you from getting seriously ill (although that too wanes with time), meaning:
welcome to getting booster shots for the rest of your life |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:28 PM Author: Supple Idea He Suggested Abode everything they say is a lie. everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42831989) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:31 PM Author: Violent Stock Car God only knows what’s gonna be in those boosters my friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832006) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:40 PM Author: Aromatic theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832053) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:13 PM Author: Mahogany Home Philosopher-king No, it’s basically developing into another flu, which millions get “boosters” for every year. Or it will become less virulent over time like other coronaviruses, which nobody gets boosters for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832474) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:14 PM Author: Dull maniacal affirmative action legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832480) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:17 PM Author: Violent Stock Car Except the msm, government officials, and big pharma aren’t treating this like the flu…at all
Enjoy your mandatory booster shots next year
We also hope you enjoy the next Covid lockdown this fall |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:22 PM Author: Mahogany Home Philosopher-king Actually it seems like establishment Dems are cooling on covid hysteria. I agree the MSM is insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832526) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: Ebony Impertinent Stain No it doesnt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42834482) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: yellow background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42834742) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 1:07 PM Author: Mahogany Home Philosopher-king Biden's been harping on NO BOOSTERS and NO LOCKDOWNS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42834752) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:31 PM Author: Supple Idea He Suggested Abode it is literally just the flu. it has always been just the flu. ive been telling you this since March 2020 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832583) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:29 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Or you can get infected, and be fine indefinitely after you recover.
The reinfection rate is tiny, and so far they have identified only a handful of people who died when reinfected (most notably an 89 year old cancer patient). |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:38 PM Author: rambunctious mildly autistic parlour fat ankles "Still 91 % effective in preventing serious illness" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832619) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:46 PM Author: Disturbing Heaven Roast Beef Unfortunately the rhetoric has almost entirely been "you and your 13 year old need to get the vax because otherwise you'll spread it around" not "it'll make you less sick when you do get it" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832653) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 2:51 PM Author: Multi-colored state Lol. There is absolutely zero reason for anyone not at risk of death from a COVID to get vaxxed. You can still spread it to grandma and be a grandma killer. So Stay. The. Fuck. Home. Sheep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42838979) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 11:10 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes So is not being able to collect social security. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42832775) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 12:34 PM Author: Multi-colored state Our office is already changing the return to office policy based on “new information.” They didn’t say what the new information is.
Edit: also the change came out Friday so would not be surprised if it was related to Israel data |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 2:44 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes The implications are fairly interesting.
The first is sort of “they must have known” one which is the phrase “fully” vaccinated. Sure, the mRNA are two shots, but you could get J&J and be “fully” vaccinated. The use of “fully” means they knew boosters would be needed.
The second is, unless you do constant boosters, it still seems like any shot gives pretty good, fairly long term, protection against death or hospitalization. The main difference in the vaccine studies was mRNA had an advantage in infection. Functionally no one with any vaccine died and very few ended up in the hospital.
The third is that immunity passports should be given to those with prior infection. Frankly, those people are probably better off in ALL MEASURES, against the vaccinated.
The fourth is an unknown. If you get infected with COVID after a vaccine, do you get the same long term durable immunity you do if you get infected without a vaccine? If not, vaccines are counter productive for those not at risk.
The fifth is another unknown, under FDA regulations, if the Israel data is correct, no vaccine will be approved under the existing regulations. Is the FDA going to cuck and approve the vaccines anyway? Does J&J get approved? Or just Pfizer? Or just Pfizer and Moderna?
The sixth is another interesting one. The UK data shows much better protection than Israel. The only medical difference is that the UK had a much longer window between shots (the theory being one shot kept you out of the hospital so get as many one shots and then fill in second shots later). The time was like 2-4 months gap v. 3-4 weeks in Israel (studies for authorization were done at 3 week gap). Whether this is significant or not, we don’t know because UK does not have vaccinated by month data (US has nothing because they don’t want to show it sucks, but the actual study populations from the original tests will have to be updated for approvals).
Finally, none of this changes anything other than to reinforce there is no need for mandates, only those on social security have anything to worry about; and let’s stay back to normal. But it does show another broken promise (in the long list of broke promises): vaccines don’t do shit for infection or symptomatic infection so they won’t “stop the spread.”
PS get J&J if you are forced to get anything. And Sinovac is the best one for young people. I’d actually take that if it were approved. |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:22 AM Author: odious quadroon Good post - glad 2 c u back poasting brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42837512) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:34 AM Author: Rose Vivacious Locale 8. Venues that require proof of vaccination or a negative test should require negative test from vaxed too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42837529) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 2:53 PM Author: Multi-colored state Yep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42838984) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 2:46 PM Author: Beady-eyed Office Water Buffalo why are they saying that 99% of the hospitalizations are ppl without the vaccine in america (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42835114) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 2:54 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes They are lying. They can’t know because they don’t track it (they intentionally do not track break through cases or vaccinated hospitalizations). UK it’s 40% or 60% of hospitalized are vaccinated depending on how you look at it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42835140) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:29 AM Author: Diverse flesh crotch >they intentionally do not track break through cases or vaccinated hospitalizations
Dude weren't you on here like one week ago criticizing the cdc for ONLY tracking breakthrough hospitalizations?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
>As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 2:54 PM Author: Cowardly Queen Of The Night This study is being criticized for having very bad data. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-claims-major-drop-in-vaccine-protection-experts-dont-believe-it/
The basic claim is non-vaxxed people are also less likely to care about covid and thus don't get tested. Ergo, can't do the same type of population level comparisons that were previously available before vaxxes were widely administered because mostly only vaxxed people will get tested, which skews relative proportion results |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Then explain the UK numbers? And wouldn’t the vaccinated be LESS likely to get tested because they THINK they are immune? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42835148) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 3:24 PM Author: Cowardly Queen Of The Night I'm not taking sides on this since i haven't looked at any of the studies and don't care enough to. Just saying the data has been called bad due to speculation about confounding factors. They also claim that the numbers don't seem to reflect observed reality (who is showing up in hospitals), but I didn't point that out before because anecdotal data is rarely scientifically valid and it seems counter productive for medical professionals to even mention anecdote in refute of collective data (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42835258) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 3:36 PM Author: histrionic striped hyena useless brakes Unless they have an agenda. Either isreal is wrong (that the data is actually wrong which seems vanishingly unlikely) or others are lying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42835325) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:30 AM Author: lavender national even if the data is correct, one needs to adjust for all sig confounders for the data to induce a valid conclusion.
so the data may be correct and Israel is not lying, but the conclusion can still be very wrong.
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:35 AM Author: lavender national all in all, I really don't care about the issue enough to read that study as it won't change anything.
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:31 AM Author: Diverse flesh crotch XO: jews are liars
also XO: trust the jews |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:44 PM Author: Curious ceo this only holds if the non-vaxxers not getting tested were having such mild symptoms that they ignored it, which is another argument against vaccination
i bet even the most staunch anti-vaxxer would seek medical treatment if they were getting truly viruspwned |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 2:02 AM Author: odious quadroon anecdotally I'm seeing a lot of people posting about how their vaccinated friends or family members got Covid. This is in one of the most heavily vaccinated areas in the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42837560) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 1:38 PM Author: Nofapping electric forum skinny woman I know someone who was vaccinated and got COVID. Does it seem like those people are getting mild symptoms though, or full blown Bat AIDS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4884306&forum_id=2#42838741) |