To say nothing of the after purchase support a dealership provides or the logistical nightmare of running a massive retail operation under the aegis of a manufacturer. There’s a reason it takes 5 months to get your Tesla and why their customer service is a joke (not that the cultists mind)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42879413)

And I'm not worried about MSRP. The auto business is competitive.

The people who lose out would be the good hagglers and deal finders.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42879433)

If the manufacturer got into this they’d need to hire an army of people to do so. They’d have to hire experienced people to appraise trades and wholesale them. They’d have to hire experienced people to determine what inventory works for each local market. They’d have to hire sales consultants, etc. All of this costs money.

On top of that the factories would have serious cash flow issues. As it stands, they invoice for cars as they’re shipped and are paid directly or by the floorplan lender.

If they own the retail channels, who’s going to pay for the cars as they’re shipped from the factory? Are you going to pay for your car in full possibly weeks before you receive it? There would be a cash flow crunch as manufacturers are required to hold inventory. As costs go up prices go up. Business 101.

Then on the service side, independent mechanics would struggle to service modern cars. The factory wants trained techs working on their cars. This is not 1965, cars are. very complex these days and techs are constantly going for in depth training. The money dealers invest in diagnostic equipment and special tools, some of which is hardly ever used but they have to have is staggering. Few independent garages have the financial ability to acquire dealer level diagnostic and programming capabilities. And the ones that do aren’t generally markedly cheaper than the dealership. Why? Well, there’s that pesky overhead again.

On top of that if manufacturers now controlled retail sales and service, what’s to stop them from not selling parts to independent repair and body shops? You could find yourself forced to go to the manufacturer controlled locations for parts and service because no independents could get parts or repair information. Oh wait, that’s reality with Tesla ownership

You are at best woefully misinformed. America is not like Europe and this would not work here. It’s like saying, just do universal healthcare bro, why is every other first world nation blah blah blah. The answer is they don’t have niggers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880153)

Car dealers make money because the markup they charge and the money they make on service exceeds the carrying costs of parking Cars on their lot.

Also it’s the law for car dealers to exist because they lobbied for it many years ago.

Irl I would expect way fewer locations if all were owned by the car companies since tons of these are cannibalizing each other and they wouldn’t want a bunch of shitdealers to deal with in a downturn. Same reason why there aren’t a ton of apple stores everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880215)

(Brilliant and high IQ genius who only ever takes his car in to be serviced at the official [insert brand]-certified dealership, why of course!)

Let me guess -- you an extended warranty man, too?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880648)

Sorry you're too low IQ to merit any more substantive replies, thank

But I'm glad we established downthread that you continually wasting your precious and finite time on this Earth -- on a beautiful Sunday afternoon, no less -- responding to a catty and obnoxious faggot on the internet about whether Tesla sucks or not (you don't own one and have no skin in that game but you feel really strongly about this topic for reasons that are undoubtedly based in your pure love of truth etc) isn't "megaposting," because you clearly have much better things to do with your time and aren't a fucking faggot who does that kind of embarrassing shit and anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise is cringe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880666)

"Jokes on you, I didn't even read your last post! Pwned!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880676)

You would 100% pay for a car upfront in cash or with a down payment + loan.

There’s still alternatives like Carvana to handle used car re-sell, which is a much better consumer experience.

My dealership experience has always been shit for the most part. Handling the salesman, ridiculously high repair fees, finding mechanical problems that don’t exist, etc.

The cost of the dealership industry is already passed onto the consumer, and there’s no way eliminating that would raise MSRP.

Maintenance seems like the biggest issue, but independent body shops are a good alternative. And if the manafacturer is excluding them with expensive, proprietary special parts and machinery - that’s will ultimately kill brand equity.

THe reality is that most car dealerships are ran by 90-IQ sneezy proles, shady legislation is helping keep them afloat and consumers would be better off with less of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42882497)

the dealership would be way more effective at providing ongoing maintenance and service if they had two layers of dealerships to lean on themselves. Right now the entire burden is on them - they're like Atlas with the weight of the industry on their backs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880127)

There was a dealership. The price was the price and it was widely available online. So you avoid the haggling bullshit. But the dealership also acted as a showroom and service center, so you don't have the Tesla situation where you have to wait 3 months for an appointment. How they worked this out between the manufacturer and the dealership I have no idea, but from an end user perspective it was great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42879468)

Best against is land use. Why clutter your city with lots?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42879528)

Damn, according to "Paralegal Mohammed" on "the internet," this stupid Tesla company can't do *anything* right!

I'm just a simple retard, but I certainly agree that *checks notes*

"car dealerships are a wonderful and indeed necessary component of the 'new car' automobile industry."

BTW, "Bitcoin" is going to zero. No, not $1/BTC -- literally $0/BTC. Soon. Get out while you can. No that's not just my opinion, it's Science(TM). No I don't own any BTC/ETH and never have and I am super proud of that fact, and yes I do choose to spend my weekends writing lengthy screeds about tether fraud on a dying message board filled with dozens of other paunchy balding lawyers who did buy BTC/ETH and have made millions from doing that (which I would never do even if I had a time machine and could go back in time btw because it's a fraud that is harmful to society and as a proud American lawyer I refuse to ever participate in fraud that is harmful to society), and also let's DISPENSE with the FICTION that my motivation to obsessively spend my time doing that comes from a place of jealousy or bitterness, which is absolutely false... anyway, why do you ask?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42879586)

Devastating.

Just don't call me "Claire," OK bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880559)

Says the cool and chill guy spending his weekend megaposting on an obscure dying internet message board to shit all over Tesla (doesn't own a Tesla car or any Tesla stock), crypto (no skin in that game either), etc., pretty much whatever we want.

But hey, at least you're not a transparently jealous and bitter faggot about any of this stuff, ha ha!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880617)

b) i own crypto

c) yes i'm totally jealous and bitter that i don't own a fucking tesla lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880658)

Oh sorry for accusing you of megapoasting, definitely haven't been doing that today I stand corrected my b

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880659)

You dont want a manufacturer who controls the entire chain. They will rape you at every step.

Dealerships are also better than cost neutral for sales for bros who shop around and know cars. The deals you can get on shit they cant sell are 180 because they ultimately dont have the pockets of the manufacturer and cant sit on dead inventory forever. The manufacturer is loaded enough he is cool sitting on 18 months of supply without discounting it. Most people just dont play that game and wont take the car in the yellow trim that's been sitting there for 18 months....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880043)

That's not inherent. Frankly, Tesla shouldn't be allowed to not sell parts to third parties (that's blatantly unfair to consumers).

No one wants to haggle with car dealers. That's why all new models of buying (Carvana, Costco, online purchasing, Tesla, etc.) are all about avoiding that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880111)

Author: Paralegal Mohammad

Finally a reasonable voice and it’s fucking valen lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880159)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880174)

Right up there with the LTM "totally credited" bump. That's how you *know* you're right, and definitely not a total fucking retard!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880567)

it's total fucking dogshit with chipped paint and misaligned panels and maybe a screen missing a pixel (sorry teehee no dealer to do a pre-purchase inspection) and you just take it on the chin because fuck dealers, man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880642)

"Why it's actually a BAD thing that people are gladly signing up for lengthy wait times on Tesla deliveries, and how this PROVES that Waymo is ACTUALLY the future!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880624)

1. That's legitimately untrue re Tesla buyers, because even in 2021 they're still much more likely to be overly fanatical about the company / Musk than they are to be "lol idk memecar I guess hehe whatev" and in fact the former criticism remains the prevailing stereotype about them by a wide margin.

2. Even if your point was true (it's not), it would only underscore one of the many different bull case arguments for Tesla: It has unquestionably captured the popular imagination in a way that no other car manufacturer has, and most people *are* fucking retards who just follow the herd -- and wouldn't you know it, Tesla is coming out with cheaper and cheaper models now to appeal to precisely that impulse in the wider general public. But sure, "Waymo" or whatever competing brand that 99.9% of the population has never even heard of (and which exclusively makes extremely expensive vehicles that also happen to be ugly as fuck and are much less practical to actually use, charge, etc. than a Tesla) is probably going to win the EV/FSD race, it's just a matter of time until it's over you stupid Teslamos, your precious overvalued stock is going to zero trust me on this one!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880686)

Independent of that, the car business is competitive. Having high repair costs is bad. It pisses off customers and hurts the value of vehicles, both at sale and on resale, which hurts leasing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42882380)

Naw it's shit bro just like the rest of that company, which is totally going to zero ($0/share) just like BTC ($0/BTC), trust me on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42880628)

You can do online buying or whatever instead of haggling and that CAN work or not. It is all a huge hassle that is the direct result of the dealer model. I'd much rather buy from a company that owns the dealerships and where you don't have some shithead small business owner and sleezy CSLG style sales people trying to fleece me. I want all of these "just do sales" people to be fired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4890696&forum_id=2#42883887)