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So Californians voted to ban bacon and now they don't have any and will starve?

San Francisco Bacon may disappear in California as pig rule...
cracking resort philosopher-king
  08/02/21
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Violent gay wizard idiot
  08/02/21
nah, they are just gonna take obese birdshit women and fry t...
Nighttime thriller base
  08/02/21
Kim, who is Korean-American, said she’s especially wor...
Crimson location sneaky criminal
  08/02/21
Sorry to say this but this is right wing propoganda, which I...
Razzle-dazzle Grizzly Stag Film Half-breed
  08/02/21
oh whoaaa first time cons have just made shit up, really rui...
Nighttime thriller base
  08/02/21
factory farming is a nightmare grotesquerie, and anything th...
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  08/02/21
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Federal kitchen
  08/02/21
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  08/02/21
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  08/02/21
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Stirring sex offender
  08/02/21
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  08/02/21
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unholy abode
  08/03/21
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  08/02/21
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  08/02/21
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Coiffed contagious potus karate
  08/02/21
really interesting poast, ty how do pigs solve the crushi...
Provocative Messiness Tattoo
  08/02/21
OUT your lobbying firm
dead aphrodisiac nowag pit
  08/02/21
Lol cr
Talking factory reset button
  08/02/21
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Violent gay wizard idiot
  08/02/21
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Boyish Menage
  08/02/21
That's fair and perhaps the law could use some work but I ob...
Razzle-dazzle Grizzly Stag Film Half-breed
  08/02/21
most animal welfare laws are being pushed with the goal of b...
Boyish Menage
  08/02/21
its so upsetting that this needs to be pointed out, on this ...
fishy cuckold jewess
  08/03/21
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Scarlet Locus
  08/03/21
interesting post
Stirring sex offender
  08/02/21
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Burgundy university
  08/02/21
good content
Scarlet Locus
  08/02/21
great poast
Excitant range new version
  08/02/21
astounding how many laws are passed that just straight-up ar...
passionate zippy garrison wrinkle
  08/03/21
good. bacon is haram
heady theater
  08/02/21
xo freaks care more about literal pigs than people. i though...
fishy cuckold jewess
  08/02/21
who cares fatmos can't have bacon for a while until this all...
heady theater
  08/02/21
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Provocative Messiness Tattoo
  08/02/21
you think fatmos are the only people who eat pork? you think...
fishy cuckold jewess
  08/03/21
Any animal based agriculture products should be outlawed ent...
vigorous copper regret
  08/02/21
Bow and arrow hunting basically means you're torturing the a...
Razzle-dazzle Grizzly Stag Film Half-breed
  08/02/21
Bacon is so 180 man
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  08/02/21
imagine how stupid you'd have to be to believe this law was ...
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  08/03/21
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unholy abode
  08/03/21
The bill was drafted inside of Steamworks SF
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Date: August 2nd, 2021 7:46 AM
Author: cracking resort philosopher-king

San Francisco

Bacon may disappear in California as pig rules take effect

By SCOTT McFETRIDGE

July 31, 2021

Jeannie Kim holds her popular bacon and eggs breakfast at her restaurant in San Francisco on Friday, July 30, 2021. Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic. That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items — bacon — hard to get in California. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)

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Jeannie Kim holds her popular bacon and eggs breakfast at her restaurant in San Francisco on Friday, July 30, 2021. Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic. That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items — bacon — hard to get in California. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic.

That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items — bacon — hard to get in California.

“Our number one seller is bacon, eggs and hash browns,” said Kim, who for 15 years has run SAMS American Eatery on the city’s busy Market Street. “It could be devastating for us.”

At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules. Unless the courts intervene or the state temporarily allows non-compliant meat to be sold in the state, California will lose almost all of its pork supply, much of which comes from Iowa, and pork producers will face higher costs to regain a key market.

Animal welfare organizations for years have been pushing for more humane treatment of farm animals but the California rules could be a rare case of consumers clearly paying a price for their beliefs.

With little time left to build new facilities, inseminate sows and process the offspring by January, it’s hard to see how the pork industry can adequately supply California, which consumes roughly 15% of all pork produced in the country.

“We are very concerned about the potential supply impacts and therefore cost increases,” said Matt Sutton, the public policy director for the California Restaurant Association.

California’s restaurants and groceries use about 255 million pounds of pork a month, but its farms produce only 45 million pounds, according to Rabobank, a global food and agriculture financial services company.

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The National Pork Producers Council has asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture for federal aid to help pay for retrofitting hog facilities around the nation to fill the gap. Hog farmers said they haven’t complied because of the cost and because California hasn’t yet issued formal regulations on how the new standards will be administered and enforced.

Barry Goodwin, an economist at North Carolina State University, estimated the extra costs at 15% more per animal for a farm with 1,000 breeding pigs.

If half the pork supply was suddenly lost in California, bacon prices would jump 60%, meaning a $6 package would rise to about $9.60, according to a study by the Hatamiya Group, a consulting firm hired by opponents of the state proposition.

At one typical hog farm in Iowa, sows are kept in open-air crates measuring 14-square-feet when they join a herd and then for a week as part of the insemination process before moving to larger, roughly 20-square foot group pens with other hogs. Both are less than the 24 square feet required by the California law to give breeding pigs enough room to turn around and to extend their limbs. Other operations keep sows in the crates nearly all of the time so also wouldn’t be in compliance.

The California Department of Food and Agriculture said that although the detailed regulations aren’t finished, the key rules about space have been known for years.

“It is important to note that the law itself cannot be changed by regulations and the law has been in place since the Farm Animal Confinement Proposition (Prop 12) passed by a wide margin in 2018,” the agency said in response to questions from the AP.

The pork industry has filed lawsuits but so far courts have supported the California law. The National Pork Producers Council and a coalition of California restaurants and business groups have asked Gov. Gavin Newsom to delay the new requirements. The council also is holding out hope that meat already in the supply chain could be sold, potentially delaying shortages.

Josh Balk, who leads farm animal protection efforts at the Humane Society of the United States, said the pork industry should accept the overwhelming view of Californians who want animals treated more humanely.

“Why are pork producers constantly trying to overturn laws relating to cruelty to animals?” Balk asked. “It says something about the pork industry when it seems its business operandi is to lose at the ballot when they try to defend the practices and then when animal cruelty laws are passed, to try to overturn them.”

In Iowa, which raises about one-third of the nation’s hogs, farmer Dwight Mogler estimates the changes would cost him $3 million and allow room for 250 pigs in a space that now holds 300.

To afford the expense, Mogler said, he’d need to earn an extra $20 per pig and so far, processors are offering far less.

“The question to us is, if we do these changes, what is the next change going to be in the rules two years, three years, five years ahead?” Mogler asked.

The California rules also create a challenge for slaughterhouses, which now may send different cuts of a single hog to locations around the nation and to other countries. Processors will need to design new systems to track California-compliant hogs and separate those premium cuts from standard pork that can serve the rest of the country.

At least initially, analysts predict that even as California pork prices soar, customers elsewhere in the country will see little difference. Eventually, California’s new rules could become a national standard because processors can’t afford to ignore the market in such a large state.

Kim, the San Francisco restaurant owner, said she survived the pandemic by paring back her menu, driving hundreds of miles herself through the Bay Area to deliver food and reducing staff.

Kim, who is Korean-American, said she’s especially worried for small restaurants whose customers can’t afford big price increases and that specialize in Asian and Hispanic dishes that typically include pork.

“You know, I work and live with a lot of Asian and Hispanic populations in the city and their diet consists of pork. Pork is huge,” Kim said. “It’s almost like bread and butter.”

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-5ebe70407fcd94ef712c16410f32c4b1

So Trumpkins are now starve people they decided to 'MAGA' and ban food? Is that the correct reading of this 'story'?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42882934)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 8:00 AM
Author: cordovan casino

It’s almost like Libs can think more than 5 minutes ahead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42882957)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:30 PM
Author: Violent gay wizard idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887366)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 8:02 AM
Author: Nighttime thriller base

nah, they are just gonna take obese birdshit women and fry them up like bacon.. tastes abt the same as literal pigs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42882960)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 8:04 AM
Author: Crimson location sneaky criminal

Kim, who is Korean-American, said she’s especially worried for small restaurants whose customers can’t afford big price increases and that specialize in Asian and Hispanic dishes that typically include pork

Oh no less smelly chink food......

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42882966)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Grizzly Stag Film Half-breed

Sorry to say this but this is right wing propoganda, which I hate to see and makes us look bad. They did not ban bacon they mandated better treatment of pigs. Which is not at all the same thing and I stand with the shitlibs on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883372)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 10:55 AM
Author: Nighttime thriller base

oh whoaaa first time cons have just made shit up, really ruins their reputation for factual analysis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883528)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:14 AM
Author: Provocative Messiness Tattoo

factory farming is a nightmare grotesquerie, and anything that takes steps to improve it is good imo. I'd be fine if meat were scarcer/more expensive if it meant animals were treated better. if that means proles can't get they bacon then good, fuck 'em.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883595)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:50 AM
Author: dead aphrodisiac nowag pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883704)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:58 AM
Author: Federal kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883731)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:04 PM
Author: fishy cuckold jewess

no, fuck you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883761)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 10:16 PM
Author: cerebral heaven

no, fuck me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42886986)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:14 PM
Author: Stirring sex offender



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 9:38 PM
Author: exhilarant haunting lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42886795)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:06 AM
Author: unholy abode



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:18 AM
Author: orchid dingle berry theater stage

we did not mandate pedophilia, we simply said that you must alow gay men to run train on the asses of your sons regardless of age

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883605)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:23 AM
Author: Disrespectful razzle tanning salon internal respiration

So, I am a huge proponent of better living quality for domestic animals. It's literally what my entire professional career is about.

This law is bad. It mandates an excessively large amount of space which gives the pigs no advantage at all. Furthermore it is out of line with existing standards, so ranchers may have set their production to meet an aggressive space requirement only to have it now deemed insufficient. Pigs need enough room to move around. Mostly they clump together, but some will always be off having some alone time. This space is crucial for healthy happy pigs, but this current law goes far beyond what the pigs would ever desire. It isn't "more space is better." It certainly isn't that when we're facing very real problems of using too much land for food production.

The age requirements I'm less iffy on. IMO a good hog is much older than market, and I think there's a rational argument that domestic animals deserve to live a more reasonable portion of their natural lives, as opposed to being slaughtered very young. That said consumers often will not like this pork, because it's more strongly flavored and less tender.*

Bottom line though is that this law was so poorly crafted that it will never have any impact. It won't be enforced. I know some of the best pig farmers in California who are doing things very very right and even they can't comply with the law. I don't think knee-jerk reactions are helpful. Among the people I know working towards a more humane ranching world, none endorse this law. It was written for people, not for pigs.

Finally, bacon isn't affected anyway because it only applies to fresh meat (because again it's a very poorly designed law).

Oh, and just q thought upon farrowing crates. Those crates are there so sows don't crush their babies. When they're not used babies get crushed. So it's either some discomfort for the sow, or lots of dead baby piglets. IMO the proper approach is to use farrowing crates but with time limits for how long a sow can be in one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883618)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:44 AM
Author: Coiffed contagious potus karate



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:49 AM
Author: Provocative Messiness Tattoo

really interesting poast, ty

how do pigs solve the crushing problem in nature? have we just bred our domestic pigs to be too fat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883698)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:51 AM
Author: dead aphrodisiac nowag pit

OUT your lobbying firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883708)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:21 PM
Author: Talking factory reset button

Lol cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887324)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:31 PM
Author: Violent gay wizard idiot



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:01 PM
Author: Boyish Menage



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:15 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Grizzly Stag Film Half-breed

That's fair and perhaps the law could use some work but I object to conflating laws to protect animal welfare with laws to ban meat. Not the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883814)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:19 PM
Author: Boyish Menage

most animal welfare laws are being pushed with the goal of banning meat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883831)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:07 AM
Author: fishy cuckold jewess

its so upsetting that this needs to be pointed out, on this website of all places. there really is no hope

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887505)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:11 AM
Author: Scarlet Locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887518)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:15 PM
Author: Stirring sex offender

interesting post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883815)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 9:34 PM
Author: Burgundy university



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 10:18 PM
Author: Scarlet Locus

good content

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42886997)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Excitant range new version

great poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887211)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 3:51 AM
Author: passionate zippy garrison wrinkle

astounding how many laws are passed that just straight-up aren't enforced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42888016)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:03 PM
Author: heady theater

good. bacon is haram

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883754)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:05 PM
Author: fishy cuckold jewess

xo freaks care more about literal pigs than people. i thought I was a hardened misanthrope but yall have me looking to step my game up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883766)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:06 PM
Author: heady theater

who cares fatmos can't have bacon for a while until this all gets sorted out? ppl should eat healthier anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883771)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:07 PM
Author: Provocative Messiness Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883788)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:06 AM
Author: fishy cuckold jewess

you think fatmos are the only people who eat pork? you think this shit is actually going to stop here? how can you possibly STILL not understand the consequences of empowering these freaks? its honestly baffling to me that anyone could poast here and think this is a good idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887498)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:11 PM
Author: vigorous copper regret

Any animal based agriculture products should be outlawed entirely imo. Let people hunt (with bow and arrows only) if they want meat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883797)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 12:14 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Grizzly Stag Film Half-breed

Bow and arrow hunting basically means you're torturing the animals before you kill them. High caliber bullets are more humane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42883810)



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Date: August 2nd, 2021 11:32 PM
Author: Violent gay wizard idiot

Bacon is so 180 man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887373)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:05 AM
Author: fishy cuckold jewess

imagine how stupid you'd have to be to believe this law was written to "help pigs".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887490)



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:07 AM
Author: unholy abode



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Date: August 3rd, 2021 12:51 AM
Author: Autistic mother cuckoldry

The bill was drafted inside of Steamworks SF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4891169&forum_id=2#42887625)