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Anyone read a lot of Summa Theologica (Aquinas)?
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Date: December 6th, 2021 12:42 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Private Investor Seems credited but philo types never talk about it.
Even Catholic types rarely do systematics anymore |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 12:46 PM Author: Big clown coldplay fan only the most popular items. refer to him often though when i do classes with young people as an example of academic catholic theologian that outclasses any protestant theologian. not to mention he was around hundreds of years before luther was a "great thinker" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43567567) |
Date: December 6th, 2021 12:44 PM Author: Swashbuckling resort genital piercing Atheists, you're response? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43567551) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 1:09 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Private Investor hit em wit dat SED CONTRA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43567769) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 1:13 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy It’s theology. You aren’t going to like this comment but theology isn’t really relevant to anything now.
He did some great work for his time but engineers don’t go to magicians nowadays for help putting bridges up so … |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:04 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon lol it is amazing how consistently we can rely on you to deliver a solidly 105-110 IQ take in every thread that even remotely touches on something requiring complex thought. There have been times when I've thought this had to be a schtick from a much smarter poster making fun of low-end midwits, but I can't imagine somebody with any real mental capacity allowing himself to be so thoroughly dicked down by the entirety of the board, and four or five posters in particular. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568944) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:05 PM Author: odious tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568950) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:06 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig here we go again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568956) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:09 PM Author: Well-lubricated rigpig chapel Wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568967) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:10 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568975) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:25 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Private Investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569055) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:26 PM Author: bronze hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569060) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:51 PM Author: ruddy persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569167) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:28 PM Author: Nighttime Brass Indirect Expression Faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569806) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:32 PM Author: fuchsia idiotic theater stage telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570876) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 5:39 PM Author: effete gas station son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43574908) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:11 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633359) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:27 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
*Surveys the state of the West in 2021*
*Pushes up thick horn-rimmed glasses, drops trou and prepares to accept the mount from fancy ivory wall dildo in plush wood-paneled study*
"Suffice to say, the concept of 'religious belief' doesn't -- unghhhhhhhh -- really, uh, hold much practical importance anymore in our modern world..." |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:29 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569073) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:29 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569074) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:30 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569078) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 8:45 PM Author: odious tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570248) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 5:39 PM Author: effete gas station son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43574909) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:11 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633361) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:11 PM Author: Carmine voyeur coffee pot theology isnt relevant now? we live in the golden age of christian martyrdom. theology is more relevant now than ever. we have a growing part of the world whose bad theology will doom the west. just lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43571085) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:21 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy Theology is not helpful in understanding the world we live in and answers no questions and there is no advancement in the field of theology. It’s been the same without evolution or development for 1000 years. It’s all a mental poison that takes people away from a clear understanding of ourselves and our universe, and the poison is weak in some places and strong in other places but its all poison. It keeps us from doing the right thing right now and it fosters difference and promotes tribal warfare, mental illness, authoritarianism and acute pain.
But that’s not what my point was. My point is that theology and philosophy are now recognized to be different disciplines (to the extent they theology can be called a discipline.) It’s fools and the naive and the gullible and psychopaths who can’t read theology disguised as philosophy and recognize it as such. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:39 AM Author: Carmine voyeur coffee pot theology is not helpful in understanding the world? are you being glib here? theology is quite literally the driving force behind the behavior of 1.8 billion people in the world. while the west has lost its theology, it is alive and well in among the muslims of the world.
ignore theology at your own peril. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 12:55 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
Also, the West hasn't lost any "theology." either -- it has simply (((replaced))) the old scaffolding with new scaffolding, to the delight of a few and the dismay of many. When Fauci declares that he speaks "for Science," that's unmistakably the language of a new form of theology and only an idiot who rapes children could miss it. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:00 PM Author: Carmine voyeur coffee pot interesting way to view. feels credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43573421) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:16 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping I believe the phrase was “i genuflect to no one but science” Ljl |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 8:34 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
No, that was a few months ago. We've (((evolved))) even further since then:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/videos/fauci-under-fire-declares-i-represent-science |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 9:49 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43576104) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:01 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy You are missing the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43573429) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:18 PM Author: hairraiser lilac partner tyft for this gem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633406) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:20 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig lol spaceporn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633415) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2023 10:21 PM Author: dead free-loading nursing home nowag A clearer understanding of the world is pointless unless you're using that understanding to achieve some noble purpose. Doing scientific experiments just because the opportunity presents itself is what Josef Mengele did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#46384870) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2023 10:18 PM Author: dead free-loading nursing home nowag It's theology that advanced science. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#46384866) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 12:45 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon yes, it's 180. Aquinas' reasoning is extremely strong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43567559) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 12:48 PM Author: dead free-loading nursing home nowag Read it in undergrad, and thought it was mindblowing and Aquinas was the smartest dood who ever lived.
Now I can't remember one word of it. Can't remember one idea Aquinas put forth. All I remember was that he seemed really lovey-dovey about certain things, and while his logic was sound it seemed like it was all being deployed post hoc. This is probably a retard take. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 12:54 PM Author: hideous violet stain same, I can still remember the comparisons to Aristotlean logic and the arguments around authority, but I blank on the actual content (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43567641) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 1:10 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Private Investor the format:
claim, evidence in support correct counter claim, evidence in support
seems like it would appeal to lolyer types |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 1:48 PM Author: dead free-loading nursing home nowag Right, but it also seems really elementary. I think I was impressed with the guy because he was able to maintain his staunch faith despite being so logically minded. That's probably why Catholics latched onto him and made him a kind of demigod. If you read The Name of the Rose it's all about this monk who has to do everything in secret because he's using logic to solve mysteries instead of the bible. Certain catholic intellectual traditions probably go something like Aquinas -> William of Occam -> renaissance thinkers I'm guessing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568049) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Private Investor been a long time since I read the ST, and I dont remember thinking I was a thomist, but he certainly did not come out of an era where you could casually presume its a surprise someone is smart and faithful, or logical and faithful.
his genius, imo, was bridging aristotle (also not an atheist) and the faith, not faith and reason. That wouldnt even occur as a major problem for centuries and the "atheists are smarter" meme would have made thomas laugh his fat ass off |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 3:06 PM Author: dead free-loading nursing home nowag His faith in reason would not have been noteworthy, but his literacy and his writing talent would have. I think you also have to consider the degree of editorial control church leaders had over what would go on to become canon in western philosophy. The stars really aligned on this guy in that he was a very good writer, and there was sufficient demand for his line of thinking that his books got copied and preserved for future generations. If he had come along in another time I don't think he would have been elevated the way he was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568642) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:51 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy That more or less tracks my understanding. Certainly a wonderful theologian. His primary texts are not useful as to philosophy since at least the enlightenment. Noteworthy historically for his influence in the Church and its doctrine; not noteworthy for advancing the ball in philosophy as a current discipline.
His name comes up a lot in very conservative educational circles as someone who should be more in the public school canon, but obviously that's misplaced. (that first amendment is pesky!) In secular schools, he's acknowledged as a catholic church leader, and some of his ideas (described here as yes "elementary") are referenced accordingly. But it's an odd or backward person who goes to his work now and reads it as deep thinking for any but theological purposes (which yes is pretty much accepted as nonsense by advanced thinkers presently). |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:53 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
Counterpoint: You violently rape your adopted Asian son, and then brag about it to a bunch of total strangers online, and apparently see nothing wrong with any of that. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:21 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569296) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2022 10:37 AM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#44196285) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:59 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Lol you are a fucking retard, stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569200) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:03 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570688) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:08 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon This is hysterical. Aquinas continues to be highly relevant to virtually all moral philosophy. Let's test this, though -- maybe you've achieved a great moral and metaphysical breakthrough!
Enlighten us: how did the enlightenment refute virtue ethics and neo-scholasticism, rendering Aquinas irrelevant to the discipline? Please engage seriously with the works of Philippa Foot, Judith Jarvis Thompson, Anscombe, and ofc MacIntyre.
Alternatively -- if virtue ethics is too small a task for your intellect -- explain how Aristotelianism has been wholly refuted; you should engage with the work of every notable contemporary Aristotelian philosopher (of which there are dozens, perhaps hundreds).
Until you have an answer here, don't ever fucking post in another philosophy thread. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:13 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy My assessment above is accurate.
And your response is an unanswerable mishmash intended to show off and name drop to your boart followers more than anything else. Really all your response does is show the world that you are not capable of telling the difference between theology and philosophy in a written text.
And I think the metanarrative in your bizarre attacks on me both here and elsewhere is sort of summed up here. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4978296&mc=229&forum_id=2#43555819 I wish I had said it more artfully there but it gets my point across.
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:19 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon Your assessment above is the blathering of a truly dim mind, and that you consider these questions unanswerable indicates that, in fact, Aquinas is still relevant (or you are simply too stupid to find the answers).
Theology is either foundational to moral philosophy, or a highly important subset (depending on your grasp of epistemology and whether you would like to give a secular account of morality that doesn't simply reduce to preference expressed through force). Again, I'll wait. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:22 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy "Theology is either foundational to moral philosophy, or a highly important subset (depending on whether you would like to give a secular account of morality that doesn't simply reduce to preference expressed through force)"
The above just isn't correct. Sorry. And it's pointless to argue with someone who is going to tell me all morality derives from the Christian God, either in concept or His Divine Authority. It's doubly pointless when arguing with a psychopathic person who doesn't think about morality like the rest of the thinking world.
And again, my assessment is correct. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:31 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon You're too dumb to be in this thread. I've given you numerous chances to prove otherwise and give reasons for your obviously retarded positions, and show that you perhaps aren't as stupid as you appear. If you had the intellectual horsepower to be in this thread, you wouldn't have needed me to prompt you for some reasoning.
We need to implement a captcha to post, except instead it's a spatial reasoning IQ question, in order to weed out your kind. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:35 PM Author: Well-lubricated rigpig chapel Edge of tomorrow but it’s spaceporn trying to complete an xo captcha in under 3 minutes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569358) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:35 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569361) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:36 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569367) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:38 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569377) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 5:40 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
Computer to SP: "I WANTED YOU TO SLIDE YOUR PIECE INTO THE OPENING TO PROVE YOU'RE A MAN -- BUT NOT LIKE THAT, NOT WITH HIM!" |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:32 PM Author: Nighttime Brass Indirect Expression Faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569836) |
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Date: December 8th, 2021 12:29 AM Author: effete gas station son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43576721) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:23 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon lmfao this went underappreciated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633440) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:25 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633449) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:52 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy I like your thought here, especially first sentence of second paragraph. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569169) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:00 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon The format is elementary, but the quality of his reasoning is very very strong. I think he is extremely worth reading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568929) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2023 10:33 PM Author: dead free-loading nursing home nowag I wrote this and I've since gone back and taken another run at Aquinas. I now think he's worth bearing in mind because he made it safe for church to science and a big deal to a lot of Catholics today. That was a big deal at the time. He did this by masterfully welding Aristotelian logic to church doctrine. He picked up on Aristotle's theory of the unmoved mover and Aristotle's theory that it was the obligation of all living things to aspire to some vision of "the good." Aquinas was able to frame Artistotle's quest for truth as something God wants us to do as we aspire to be "good."
When this became problematic was when thinkers introduced ideas that reject Aristotelian logic in some way. By the time that started happening Thomas Aquinas had been det for 350 years, and the church was fully LOCKED IN on Aristotle.
One of the things that came from this is the notion of progress. The church lost the battle there. Aristotle and the Greeks in general seem to think time was more or less cyclical and that we would be forever have to learn the same lessons over and over again. Galileo and others introduced the notion that scientific discoveries proceeded in linear order from old to new, and that we would keep progressing in linear trajectory toward a more and more "scientific" world where make new discoveries based on a foundational set of knowledge that gets preserved and taught as canon.
None of this is present in Aquinas as far as I can tell. He's giving the church these tools of logic so that it isn't bothered by cognitive dissonance between what the bible tells us and what our brains tell us about reality. He's not tampering with the church's authority to determine what constitutes "the good." The church's position was that if you were doing science, there had to be a good reason. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2023 11:02 PM Author: odious tank Ty for bumping this classic thread, one of the first I posted in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#46384972) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 3:10 PM Author: odious tank I pretend I have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43568671) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 4:27 PM Author: Blue location i would like to talk to you about thomas aquinas IM A COP YOU IDIOT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43569064) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:02 PM Author: Thriller keepsake machete mental disorder Man, SP is amazing. Just waltzing in here claiming that a dood whose work, 800 years after the fact, is still being written about by academics and plumed for insight is just so passe. We are way past Christianity now, better to abuse our children in the name of Moloch, right SP?
To answer OP: I like to read him on individual topics that I am thinking about or interested in. So if I am interested in the concept of praying for the dead, or the Proof from Motion, Ill just pull up that part and read it. You get a lot more out of him that way than reading him cover to cover. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:03 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570687) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:12 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy It’s plumbed not plumed. Ostriches are plumed.
And yes it’s still read, as a theological work (for whatever that’s worth). Don’t think I said otherwise. Is the only way you can respond substantively is to say I said something I didn’t actually say? |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:16 PM Author: Thriller keepsake machete mental disorder Oh no, I typoed and missed a b
Any work on natural law morality and virtue ethics is a direct link back to him. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:17 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy “Natural law” as defined by him, yes. Tautalogical.
And that’s theology. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:19 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon lmfao if you didn't have a tremendous body of work indicating that you are actually this dumb, I would assume this was an amazing bait poast from a hilarious poaster
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:21 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy Doesn’t seem responsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570809) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:38 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon trying to explain to you what should be obvious -- that Aquinas explored a widely recognized phenomenon and applied a term to it, rather than inventing the concept -- would be as pointless as it apparently was for me to explain to you above that theology (AT ITS VERY LEAST) comprises an important field in metaphysics and moral philosophy, and there are very rigorous arguments that it's foundational to moral philosophy in the first place.
you are out of your depth like an infant at the bottom of the Marianas Trench |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:19 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
Ty, sometimes it's tough when letters are silent (like a terrified child who has been bound and gagged before being raped). |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:20 PM Author: Well-lubricated rigpig chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570801) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:20 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon he has a lot of experience with one, helping him to also recognize the other
this must be the training he's quite proud of |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:22 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
Haha yeah I always aim to help clarify and elucidate, like a modern-day St. Thomas Aquinas |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:33 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570883) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:23 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy Maybe stop reading the work of serial murders as actual philosophy. It might help with those disturbing invasive thoughts you are suffering from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570820) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:23 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Spaceporn you SERIOUSLY need to read some Alisdair Macintyre you fucking dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570819) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:26 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy In the modern day is a thomist teleological thinker writing about philosophy or theology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570834) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:27 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
"Haha, yeah"
*backs away* |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:29 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy You could help me out for a minute and just acknowledge I’m right Upset Jew. Instead of fucking around all the time. But whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570852) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:30 PM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
I'm legitimately not sure what's more retarded: your inexplicable belief in your own philosophical genius when you clearly don't know the first thing about any of this shit, or your hilarious belief that I am "Upset Jew". |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:28 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Alisdair macintyre is a philosopher you piece of shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570846) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:29 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy Why the abuse? Well the Catholic Church certainly seems to think he is one. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:34 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Because you’re a smug and disingenuous jerk The Catholic Church seems to think what? |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:38 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy If I have ever suggested that I’m not serious in any of this then I didn’t mean to. I’m quite serious.
As for being smug, I dont think I am. I can’t help that Hegemon’s and your take is wrong. Should I act like you are right when you aren’t? Would that gratify you? Is that what you like?
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:40 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping No but if you’re gonna tell us we’re wrong you should at least tell us why, particularly where hegemon has given you multiple opportunities to provide your reasoning. You’re a charlatan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43570918) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:26 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy I think I have. Pretty detailed. Can’t really say again. Go back and read my point that theologians aren’t really philosophers in the present, and those who were famous theologians in the past are not great philosophers by todays standards. This includes Aquinas. I’ve also mentioned elliptically that the promotion of Aquinas now is on a certain religious conservative agenda, regardless of his individual merits as a philosopher. And that many people who push Aquinas including Hegemon aren’t self-aware about this agenda.
Now don’t come back and bother me more on this as I’ve said it several times now and given my detractors on here plenty of time and opportunity to come at me and I’m not going to stay itt more except to defend myself as necessary. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:33 PM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon lol
your failure to engage with a single warrant in this thread while somehow thinking you've delivered a rebuttal is one of the strongest self-indictments I've ever seen.
The religious conservative movement that uses Aquinas as its face pales in comparison to the one I back, in which Schmitt is raised to an equal authority
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:36 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping It’s pointless to poast with someone who shows a complete unwillingness to even engage in a discussion. On top of that, picture who is typing the stupid shit he posts. Lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43571276) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:38 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy I don’t think I was distinguishing between different groups that promote Aquinas.
And I think I’ve been abundantly clear. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:37 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Look dude, unless there is a telos which transcends the limited goods of practices by constituting the good of a whole human life, the good of a human life conceived as a unity, it will both be the case that a certain subversive arbitrariness will invade the moral life and that we will be unable to specify the context of certain virtues adequately. That’s really the bottom line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43571277) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 11:43 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy Okay. Finally. Something substantive to bite into.
What you and Hegemon don’t understand and most real philosophers (not theologians) do is that Virtue or the right good or whatever is never going to be an ultimate destination, only a direction. It doesn’t exist as a destination. Anywhere. Not in heaven. Not in some Platonic realm.
And even the Direction isn’t set by God either (until there’s evidence that this is so and there isnt.). Instead it’s a complex synthesis of merits, utilitarian group calculations, ad hoc shared agreed consensus, evolved fairness calculus, risk benefit assessments and the like that gives us a good if ragged approximation of agreement, and the direction tunes itself by this ever forging dynamic in like manner as we proceed forward. You might have a wish for more certainty, for the golden ring to be already made up and polished, but nothing Nothing is certain the way we crave.
That’s reality. Math does not and will never exactly represent the universe, right? The universe itself is ragged. You gonna hack off bits of the steps of the Great Pyramid to make it conform to your theory?
And to go further, really the heart of things: it’s dangerous to say there’s a final destination or that it’s directed by God. As well as untrue, at least as the observation shows to date. That’s a great way to get people killed, smash shit up, lose all relational I-thou or whatever you want to call it, dehumanize on the way to this fake mirage of a destination when it’s really just the foam on the water as opposed to a hard marble line. That’s reality. Telos makes Nazis. Telos makes fundamentalists. Telos is a step backwards. It’s an inaccurate map of reality. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:33 AM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
But counterpoint: You literally look like a clown and fuck little boys up the ass. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 9:53 PM Author: Boyish twisted headpube Yeah you'd think he'd support the catholic church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43576130) |
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Date: December 8th, 2021 12:00 AM Author: bronze hell To be fair,
This is literally a Jewish talking point: Ortho Rabbis molest children at far higher rates than Catholic Priests. I don't want to hear another word about Catholic Pedo Priests so long as Ortho Rapist Rabbis continue to go largely unremarked upon in MSM / culture at large (hmmmmmm oddest thing) and are literally given safe haven in Israel when they flee there to escape punishment for their disgusting sex crimes against minors. |
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Date: December 8th, 2021 12:14 AM Author: Boyish twisted headpube Catholic administration is a haven for homosexuals and pedophiles. I don't care about any jew shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43576663) |
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Date: December 9th, 2021 8:02 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43585588) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 8:48 AM Author: overrated vigorous gaping I don’t really understand what you’re even arguing in the first couple paragraphs Lol at your argument that teleology is dangerous. We all know the sort of horrifying actions your flawed sense of morality has led you to commit, so spare me the pearl clutching |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 10:21 AM Author: at-the-ready therapy I think it's pretty clearly stated, certainly for anyone who successfully completed a college degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43572424) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 10:59 AM Author: overrated vigorous gaping It’s sloppy gobbledygook at best for anyone who is well read in philosophy. You use “virtue” interchangeably with “goods”, which is laughable. It really is unclear what you’re arguing and what position you’re attacking.
Again, you’re a charlatan. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:02 AM Author: at-the-ready therapy Why don't you try to restate what I am saying in your words. That might help you, assuming you are being sincere (which I doubt).
Also don't call me a charlatan. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:22 AM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Maybe later, you fat retard. I’m too busy drafting BIGLAW briefs, something you know nothing about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43572823) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:24 AM Author: Chest-beating dull quadroon Charlatan is being kind to you. You've shown itt in particular that you have no idea what you're talking about, and no capacity to learn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43572838) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 12:07 AM Author: at-the-ready therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43571375) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:11 PM Author: arousing nudist stead Dat’s summa spicy theology! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43573482) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43573488) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 5:27 PM Author: odious tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43574874) |
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Date: December 9th, 2021 8:10 PM Author: shivering tanning salon Summa Theologica Q. 90 is basically the low-key birth of modern liberalism (or at least the portion of it with an emphasis on equality, as opposed to liberty). I'm not even kidding.
Here's the key quote:
"I answer that, A law, properly speaking, regards first and foremost the order to the common good. Now to order anything to the common good, belongs either to the whole people, or to someone who is the viceregent of the whole people. And therefore the making of a law belongs either to the whole people or to a public personage who has care of the whole people: since in all other matters the directing of anything to the end concerns him to whom the end belongs." |
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Date: December 9th, 2021 9:10 PM Author: overrated vigorous gaping Explain how this is the birth of modern liberalism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#43585846) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2022 10:35 AM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig Another great example of SP getting BTFO like the sterile eunuch he is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#44196278) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2022 10:37 AM Author: odious tank This is one of the first threads I remember after getting a moniker. What an introduction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#44196289) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2022 10:38 AM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig remember: you're here forever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#44196294) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:16 PM Author: odious tank I'm still here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633382) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2023 11:02 PM Author: odious tank Still goin strong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#46384973) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:17 PM Author: hairraiser lilac partner i read most of the prima pars. exhausting, but no regrets whatsoever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633390) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:30 PM Author: odious tank I read most of this thread. Exhausting, but no regrets whatsoever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633479) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:33 PM Author: hairraiser lilac partner i profess that my favorite poasters are adolf, gunner, steez, and tbf, but it was mig and spaceporn all along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633493) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy This might be helpful to folks on here, for a better understanding of ethics generally.
https://nickbostrom.com/papers/mountethics.pdf
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: vivacious salmon pit pozpig FWIW, the fact that you came back here a little over a year after being BTFO ITT to provide a primary source is pretty awe-inspiring. Kudos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633518) |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:38 PM Author: at-the-ready therapy I was correct in my poasts from that time.
I DO suggest you read the link in its entirety. If you aren't capable you aren't capable, but I've led the horse to water in any event. That is all. |
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Date: December 14th, 2022 3:38 PM Author: hairraiser lilac partner st. thomas has great ethical insights, but i don't think that's the primary reason people still read and venerate him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980043&forum_id=2#45633531) |