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Single shot J&J is objectively the optimal response to covid imo
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:13 PM Author: spectacular dull abode At least if you're a man under 45. If you're older than that or have other comorbitidies you should probably double up and booster up on one of the MRNA vaccines.
Single shot J&J lets you dodge the uncertainty around MRNA vaccines, provides enough immunity to trivialize the health impacts of the virus, but still gives ample opportunity to catch a mild case of breakthrough covid. Then you're double immune while having minimized side effects. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:16 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage Except for all the side effects for a drug you don’t need. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569764) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:19 PM Author: spectacular dull abode symptoms from actual covid are worse and tail risk is generally worse too
most people I know who got it pre-vaccines said it was pretty terrible with weird lingering side effects. Not "about to die" terrible, but "would rather avoid" terrible.
Ideal outcome is to balance covid symptom minimization against vaccine side effects without severely impacting your chance at developing natural immunity. J&J accomplishes that |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:27 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage What if you already have natural immunity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569803) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:36 PM Author: spectacular dull abode Then you're good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569866) |
Date: December 6th, 2021 7:17 PM Author: magenta national fortuitous meteor No it isn’t, Jew.
The plan is for endless boosters. Cucking for J&J, which itself is a harmful vaccine = no way out from endless boosters.
The only way out is through God. Take your religious exemption and do not let any of this poison enter your body. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:23 PM Author: spectacular dull abode does this apply to people 55+ who are overweight or just to young healthy people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569786) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:29 PM Author: magenta national fortuitous meteor It applies to everyone.
Anyone still unvaccinated at this point will be fine, they would have died from Covid long ago if they were at risk |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:33 PM Author: spectacular dull abode Yeah that's completely retarded and not supported by any evidence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569845) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 8:12 PM Author: garnet meetinghouse Pre vax in late 2020 there were studies randomly testing people's blood. They found that almost half had gotten COVID with most not even realizing it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570057) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:37 PM Author: Frozen low-t point Lol at "through God." Anyone can claim a religious exemption, you don't have to actually believe in gods. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570559) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:46 PM Author: magenta national fortuitous meteor Brother, if seeing everything around you isn’t conclusive evidence of Satan, I don’t know what is. For your own sake turn to God (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570601) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:46 PM Author: Concupiscible heaven place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570606) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:26 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon All of the vaccines produce overlapping antibodies. Beyond that it's anyone's guess whether LAV is any better or safer than mRNA because the data are pure shit. We used LAV for polio, and now vaccine resistant polio is popping up.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/vaccine-derived-poliovirus-faq.html |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:27 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage Only remotely ok ones are dead virus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569805) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:30 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon Those may be safer for the individual, but from a public health perspective they still only produce non-sterilizing immunity. Even convalescent plasma may have this problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569818) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: spectacular dull abode why would injecting yourself with a dead virus be better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569860) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 8:10 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon No risk of transfection. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570052) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:33 PM Author: Arousing underhanded range famous landscape painting people here are extremist about it and a lot think it's a rebranded flu. i was sick with something in july - the testing methodology is bullshit so who knows what it was but it was not the fucking flu.
that being said, ivermectin is the cure. avoid the vax on the grounds that it's not very effective at its stated purpose. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:36 PM Author: spectacular dull abode it's extremely effective at reducing serious illness or death in at-risk groups (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569864) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:36 PM Author: Arousing underhanded range famous landscape painting even if that were true, are you in an at-risk group? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569871) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 7:38 PM Author: spectacular dull abode No, which is why MRNA wasn't really necessary and J&J was a decent compromise around balancing symptom mitigation and side effects (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43569879) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:17 PM Author: vivacious native dopamine J&J is mRNA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570462) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:31 PM Author: ruddy milk no it isn’t (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570530) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:38 PM Author: vivacious native dopamine yes it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570568) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:39 PM Author: cordovan parlour stain It is mRNA. Instead of delivering the mRNA payload with lipid nanoparticles it uses adenovirus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570574) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:08 PM Author: ruddy milk rofl sorry forgot for a sec that xo is clownfuck crazytown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570729) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:09 PM Author: vivacious native dopamine Date: December 6th, 2021 10:08 PM Author: :;;...,.,.,.,:,,:,,..,:,...,:...:.,:.::.:;.
rofl sorry forgot for a sec that xo is clownfuck crazytown
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570729) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:21 PM Author: cordovan parlour stain https://www.mayoclinic.org/johnson-johnson-adenovirus-vaccine-explained/vid-20510091 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43574275) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 6:10 PM Author: ruddy milk link literally explains that J&J is not mRNA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43575007) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 9:49 PM Author: cordovan parlour stain OK I misread. It still reprograms your cells to produce spike proteins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43576106) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 8:23 PM Author: adventurous slate death wish organic girlfriend Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570119) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 8:59 PM Author: cheese-eating senate headpube The poor efficacy of J+J is somehow the best argument for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570338) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:06 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon It's "poor efficacy" could be total flame. It could be more efficacious than Pfizer for all we know, the data are too fucked for anyone to know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570385) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:11 PM Author: arrogant azure plaza Anecdotally, it seems like J&J is as effective as double vaxxed Moderna or Pfizer are 6 plus months after vaccination. Apparently, the “fade” from J&J is far less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570424) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:12 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon The fade was always theoretical. They measured antibody levels and used that as a proxy for "immunity." These dumb fucks can never even land on a coherent dependent variable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570432) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:22 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage Nah. The fade is now demonstrated by studies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570493) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:25 PM Author: spectacular dull abode The fade study used to justify boosters focused on efficacy in preventing infection. Media reports just reported that at "reduction in efficacy" without acknowledging that the authors were focused on prevention of infection not prevention of a meaningful illness. Prevention of death was still very high (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570505) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 9:38 AM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage Fade is real, just not as pronounced. Look at the veterans study. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43572210) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:26 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43574300) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:44 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43574364) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:53 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon Doesn't control for environmental factors. Seemed like some places got J&J only while others got Pfizer. If J&J was being used predominantly in certain areas that could have thrown off the data.
Anyway I don't see how this shows the vaccine fading unless we're comparing to unvaxxed. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:11 PM Author: spectacular dull abode It's the combo of weak prevention of re-infection + highly durable prevention of serious symptoms
You eliminate your tail risk of serious covid illness, trivialize any infection you do get, while retaining the ability to acquire natural immunity.
It's the "moneyball" approach to covid, if you will. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:13 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon We could extend that logic to hypothesize that there's an actual COVID strain that does better than any LAV.
In any case it doesn't matter, because all these vaccines will accelerate the development of variants that can pwn any immunity you might possibly have. The vaccinated are your worst enemy, and they will ultimately make your vaccination status totally irrelevant. |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:17 PM Author: spectacular dull abode That's also why the pro-spread vaccine is better. Infection resistance for MRNA vaccines lasts much longer, promoting creation of weird new variants
it's the MONEYBALL approach to covid |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:35 PM Author: Dashing hospital dragon I don't think that's right. You're taking the A out of LAV, but you've still selected a particular variant based on characteristics unique to that variant. That's going to put selection pressure on the virus to evolve around that variant, the same way it evolves around LAVs. The whole concept of "vaccination" needs to be junked at this stage, and only revisited once we've come to a better THEORETICAL understanding of our adversary.
There's a mathematical logic to this I've been trying to explain to people. To understand this I think you have to understand "mutation load" and the debate surrounding it. For example, conventional wisdom says we only "use" <20% of our genetic code. The rest is just hanging around. But I think that's totally false.
I'm not sure if you're aware of debates on this, but it gets mathematical pretty quickly. I think we need to adopt a quantum understanding of viral genomics to get anywhere at this stage. Avian flu studies probably offer the best way of understanding this right now, but we could also be collecting MUCH data on COVID, data no one is even thinking to collect right now.
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:08 PM Author: House-broken Hell Regret Isn't J&J made out of aborted fetuses? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570407) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:40 PM Author: Frozen low-t point Even better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570576) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:10 PM Author: Overrated Vigorous Parlor Mexican Nah the answer is don't be a faggot and resist all this marxist fascist bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570420) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:40 PM Author: cordovan parlour stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570575) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 9:46 PM Author: Concupiscible heaven place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570605) |
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Date: December 6th, 2021 10:08 PM Author: peach address IF YOU ONLY HAD ONE SHOT. ONE OPPORTUNITY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43570731) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:06 AM Author: Frozen low-t point Is viral-vector vaccine technology safe? Or is there a risk of unknown long-term side effects like with the mRNA vaccines? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43571623) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:25 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage The technology is pretty safe, the spike proteins it delivers are not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43573963) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:04 PM Author: Arousing underhanded range famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43574171) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 3:04 PM Author: Arousing underhanded range famous landscape painting pretty safe as a delivery mechanism. it's what the ebola vax uses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43574174) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 9:40 AM Author: snowy patrolman Natural immunity boosted by vax >>> vax immunity boosted by a breakthrough case. If you're actually worried about covid it's best to get it the normal way first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43572212) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 9:47 AM Author: costumed racy faggotry mediation why the fuck would someone with natural immunity subject themselves to the potential side effects from a "booster"?
does a booster in naturally immunemos REALLY amp up protection from Covid?
if so, does it increase protection to a degree that makes the risk/benefit worthwhile?
for someone who has already shown they can recover from Covid?
and how long does that supposed "extra" protection last? |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:17 PM Author: bearded hairy legs theater stage The vax of previously infected make it less likely that they catch Covid a second time, but given that the risk of severe illness is very low on reinfection and the risk of death is functionally zero, it provides no benefit to the individual.
Essentially vax the previously infected has some probably short term marginal reduction in cases. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:19 PM Author: Concupiscible heaven place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43573940) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 6:59 PM Author: Thriller frum principal's office coldplay fan https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/more-on-original-antigenic-sin-and
"Original Antigenic Sin has been famously implicated in dengue fever. This is considered to be an extreme case of the phenomenon, with “considerable bearing on vaccine strategies.” Here the conclusions are ominous and full of implications for our own situation:
Once a response has been established, it is unlikely that repeat boosting will be able to change its scope, meaning that balanced responses against the four virus serotypes will need to be established with the first vaccine dose.
The danger is that immunity to one strain alone may lead to permanently impaired immune response to the three other serotypes, causing worse and longer illness"
This analysis suggests vaccine after infection does not increase resistance, but vaccine first permanently limits your antibodies to the antigens of the orginal strain and suppresses the ability to generate antibodies specific to later ones. |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:10 PM Author: Thriller frum principal's office coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43573882) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:17 PM Author: Misunderstood round eye halford BUFF AS FUCK Natural immunity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43573930) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:40 PM Author: Drab metal jew codepig Care to explain why you think injecting the nucleus of your cells with artificial DNA is superior to mRNA tech? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43574042) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: spectacular dull abode DNA is the essence of life
J&J gives you extra powers if anything |
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Date: December 8th, 2021 10:28 AM Author: Pink trump supporter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980284&forum_id=2#43577658) |