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Date: December 7th, 2021 10:19 AM Author: contagious masturbator
Mods! WTF is this?
Every time I blow morons out they do this?
This poaster should be banned for outing. It's as simple as that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572404) |
Date: December 7th, 2021 10:38 AM Author: offensive impertinent mexican
The problem with atheism (especially the militant kind) isn't that they're necessarily wrong, but that they miss the point entirely. Even assuming there isn't a God or gods, people still need something to believe in and a society based on nothing isn't viable. Religion also provides social functions (births, marriages, deaths) and common religion provides for unity. The atheistic replacements (Communism, for example) are awful and significantly worse than religion. Therefore, even if they're right, religion is still better. If people need to be religious to refrain from crime, to get and stay married, to have families and raise children well, then religion is a good thing entirely separate from whether the God they worship is real or their description is accurate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572546) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 10:41 AM Author: contagious masturbator
I can appreciate this argument--whether true or not a religion helps keep people well behaved.
A problem with that is that it doesn't. It causes problems, wars, hatred, animosity, violence, harm, lack of planning, miseducation, delays in medical development and improvement, poverty, human suffering.
Does "some people behave more because of religion" equal out the harm religion does?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572565)
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Date: December 7th, 2021 10:51 AM Author: offensive impertinent mexican
"The problem is that it also causes problems, wars, hatred, animosity, violence, harm, lack of planning, miseducation, delays in medical development and improvement, poverty, human suffering."
It absolutely does not. Every single one of those things exists in societies without religion as well and often in even greater amounts. In fact, there are few greater examples of human depravity (violence on an unfathomable scale, poverty including mass famine, forget medicine, human suffering) than China and the USSR during Communism. The problem with a lot of smug atheists is that they think that if you remove religion from the equation the problems they associate with religion will also disappear. This is dumb and not supported by history. Religion gets replaced by worse alternatives and the problems that are supposed to go away remain and may get even worse.
"Does "some people behave more because of religion" equal out the harm religion does?"
The problem that you're missing is that there's always "religion" even if it doesn't involve a direct diety. Comrade Mao or Stalin can replace God. So the question isn't whether religion is good, it is which religion results in the best society. Moderate Christianity is easily the most tolerant religion with a great message for everyone and it isn't even close. For one, it is the religion where people like you can say "ha, your Jew on a stick God wasn't even real!" and nothing bad will happen to you other than some dirty looks. In Islam you would be murdered for saying shit about the Prophet Muhammed. If you try to preach in Israel you'll be attacked. Their laws blatantly prefer Jews. And so on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572616) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:14 AM Author: offensive impertinent mexican
"Christianity is used to justify murder rape child abuse the withholding of medicine the lack of birth control in Africa"
So what? Commies used to declare people capitalists non-persons/enemies of the people and rape and murder their entire families, along with millions of others in gulags. Murder, rape and child abuse aren't even acceptable in Christianity, so you're kidding yourself if you think telling them "oh, that isn't REAL!" is the thing that would stop them from doing what they want.
"bad outcomes failure to act on climate crisis"
Speaking of religion and atheistic libs, this is a great example. Some of the biggest "OMG COVID EVERYONE MUST GET 24 SHOTS, WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER, CLIMATE CRISIS THE EARTH IS DYING WE'LL ALL BE GONE IN 10 YEARS" are atheistic libs and this is bullshit that is crazier than anything normal Christians believe.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572773) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:20 AM Author: contagious masturbator
What I had in mind was instances in the US where children are held hostage in homes and raped by their caretakers for years. An example of this comes up once or twice a year.
But likewise examples would include the epidemic of priests raping children repeatedly under the guise of religious authority.
I don't like to talk about this subject. It's too terrible for words.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572812) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:25 AM Author: contagious masturbator
I expected that but that's not what the priests are saying when they are doing the bad stuff to the kids.
Also, if it was really not within the confined of Christianity per se we wouldnt have had the catholic church take all the extraordinary measures that were taken to move these priests from parish to parish.
PS I'm not going to say more on this subject because it triggers the boart pedos or those poor souls who were abused themselves
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572842) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:43 AM Author: wonderful keepsake machete casino
The point is it comes up with everything that works as an ideology for people-- a guiding force.
Looting in SF is not really the result of BLM
Gulags are not indicative of real Communism
lopping kids' dicks off was not the fault of shitliberalism (this one to be used in about 10 years or so when these poor kids realize they are fucked for life)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572935) |
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Date: December 7th, 2021 11:26 AM Author: offensive impertinent mexican
"What I had in mind was instances in the US where children are held hostage in homes and raped by their caretakers for years"
A problem made much worse by lockdowns created by shitlibs because "OMG COVID!" Christianity (or even Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.) doesn't condone raping your children (and all expressly prohibit that) so I don't understand how blaming religion makes sense here.
OTOH, shitlibs happily roll out NAMBLA type bullshit where they defend grown men raping little boys because why not? There's no major religion that would find this acceptable, but with atheism, why can't it be?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572846) |
Date: December 7th, 2021 10:55 AM Author: racy lavender international law enforcement agency
Neil Armstrong filled in his religion as "Deism" iirc. How is this not tcr? The universe was created by Something and Science handles the day-to-day. But there is basically no reason to think that that Something was Yahweh afaik.
"atheism" in the contemporary sense is just a lot of, "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE, I HATE MY PARENTS!!!" - they seem like they're antagonizing god. But if you just take the term at face-value, it's not that fucking different from agnosticism imho. The phenotypes of atheists are bad but you have to look at ideas on their merits, not phenotype.
at the same time, the "they're missing the point! Religion is about social cohesion! not about truth!" is not tcr. Religion is premised on faith. You can't be a faithless adherent to a religion for your kids or whatever. They'll just see through it anyway. Tcr is for your Woman to be a theist because their brains are small enough to not overthink things, and you just go along with it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572646) |
Date: December 7th, 2021 11:32 AM Author: Rebellious library
When you look at how marvelously complex the natural world is, on all levels, it is hard to believe that there could not be a Creator at work.
Then, when you accept the fact that there is a God - it becomes more and more natural to believe that there is only one God.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43572874) |
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Date: December 8th, 2021 5:14 PM Author: offensive impertinent mexican
"is the only argument I can conceive of for the existence of God"
The point is that this isn't saying much. You're no one and nothing and not particularly bright.
He tore down the stupid "oh, it is EITHER A OR B SO I'VE PROVEN GOD OR THE MULTIVERSE!!!" argument and that's what I bumped. No. Just no.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43579893) |
Date: December 8th, 2021 3:10 PM Author: Gaped Stirring Hospital
Yeah, atheism is not credited, and deism is pretty reasonable, but going from there to belief in a god that should be *worshipped* is too much of a stretch
The closest thing we have to a god is probably the sysadmin handling our simulation, anyway, and I doubt he cares whether he worship him. For that matter, he might feel very uncomfortable with it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4980634&forum_id=2#43579251) |
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