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Alex Berenson now convinced vaccines make you more susceptible to infection
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Date: January 25th, 2022 8:53 PM Author: House-broken Sienna Cuck Possibly lower risk of death but at best a wash given higher rate of infection. Dude has basically been right every step of the way with COVID and the vaccines.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/an-urgent-warning |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:00 PM Author: Tripping arousing state https://imgur.com/a/KaaxY1h (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847457) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:05 PM Author: House-broken Sienna Cuck He counters that thsi is the chart in Denmark where they have a 90% vax rate and likely only the weak and elderly aren't getting vaxed.
https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97664411-99f2-4c92-a9e2-56b8f53088f8_4004x1857.jpeg |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 12:54 AM Author: Cream aphrodisiac weed whacker school cafeteria that makes no sense, wouldn't those groups be the MOST likely to be vaccinated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43848561) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:08 PM Author: House-broken Sienna Cuck Here's another post of his. It certainly does seem what he is saying is plausible. Again, it sure isn't 90% effective at this point...
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/why-the-risk-ratios-that-supposedly/comments |
Date: January 25th, 2022 9:01 PM Author: Twisted Costumed Boiling Water Immigrant LOL @ how he has been banned from everywhere for reporting studies and hard data. Libs are scum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847462) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:12 PM Author: abusive vigorous internal respiration bawdyhouse is this guy cr or no, there are a bunch of posts linking his blog and a bunch attacking him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847504) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:28 PM Author: Jade Exciting Voyeur What’s happening in Israel is actually terrifying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847608) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:34 PM Author: Idiotic institution lulzy as furkkk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847659) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:35 PM Author: Irradiated codepig what's happening there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847666) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:37 PM Author: contagious parlour international law enforcement agency its anuddah shoah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847680) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:38 PM Author: slippery corner Highest per capita case count in the world I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847689) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:39 PM Author: Jade Exciting Voyeur The more vaxed they get the more cases they have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847694) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 9:35 AM Author: Idiotic institution Red queen's race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43849274) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:37 PM Author: slippery corner I have been saying vaccines make you more likely to be infected for approximately six months. Because it is true based on reliable data (UKHSA). The same data shows there is still some decent protection from hospitalization and death, although they are less transparent with the numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847677) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:39 PM Author: Chartreuse Piazza Factory Reset Button You’ve been a prophet on all this not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43847690) |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 9:39 PM Author: azure boistinker Ya this made sense to me as well. You can see it from the Australia data early on.
It makes sense too, because the virus will evolve to evade the MRNA programming and because the MRNA programming is in so much of the vaccinated population it “standardizes” the virus to infect a huge amount of the population quickly through ADE or some other unknown mechanism. So the more homogenized the infectable population, the easier it is for rapid infection to occur.
Natural immunity on the other hand causes individuals to develop different types of immunity against the virus, versus like 2-3 immunities which are prompted by the various mRNA shots. Normally each persons natural immunity profile is different and dependent upon their genetics, prior disease exposure etc - but with a standard 2/3 immunity profiles it’s way easier for the virus to evolve to optimum virulence. |
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Date: January 25th, 2022 11:44 PM Author: Self-absorbed office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43848396) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 1:42 AM Author: slippery corner So the one thing I have yet to wrap my head around is how the immune system actually works. This could be because no one really knows ….
But I think ADE is a crutch/catch all and not really what is going on. ADE just means infection is worse if you have antibodies. I think there is much more going on and while it could be called ADE, I would say it’s Vaccine Induced Immune Deficiency (VIID — yes I made this term up).
So the mechanism of all the US vax and AZ is to have the body create spike proteins to the original virus. This gives a spike in antibodies, but they are only to the OG spike protein. This primes the immune system to something it is not seeing (because variants) so the virus comes in, multiplies (usually in the place of infection nose/throat) and builds up quickly and only once it tries to go further (lungs, organs) does anything really happen to stop it.
This is why I think you see viral levels higher in those infected and vax (they say same but if you look it’s actually higher). It’s also why vaccine effectiveness becomes negative. The immune system gets “exhausted” from the vaccines.
The real question in my mind is whether the vaccines create enough T-cell immunity (and/or B-cell) to provide meaningful long lasting protection from hospitalization and death. Looking at studies like the one from the VA, that’s waning, but slowly. Omicron data out of the UKHSA still shows good, very good, protection from hospitalization and death, but you have to factor in that a very high percentage of the UK at risk got a booster right as omicron hit so I don’t think that is all that meaningful and they don’t break out the non-boosted (this lack of data is suspect). And the number of unvax in the at risk groups is very low.
So at this point, I agree with Berenson. We need to stop. We never should have vaccinated the young, healthy, or previously infected. The juice was not worth the squeeze. The EUA should have been for at risk and elderly, and that’s it. Basically the people who got shots in the first round or two. And until there is a dramatic decline, any additional boosters are not warranted (the fourth jab Israel data is not promising at all). |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 9:40 AM Author: Rose vivacious locale The vax creates basically no sustained T cell immunity whatsoever. Thats the entire problem.
Its like you train a defensive line to prepare for just one play to come at them. Will they do well if that play does come? yes. But what happens if any number of other offensive plays come? They are useless. In fact they would have been better off not training at all. |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 9:57 AM Author: slippery corner Link to no T-cells from vax?
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Date: January 26th, 2022 1:31 PM Author: azure boistinker This is so painfully obvious to anyone paying attention. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43850816) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 3:56 PM Author: slippery corner It’s not because it is still showing pretty decent protection from hospitalization and death. Something has to cause that. So it’s either lingering antibodies or something else in the immune system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43851814) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 10:07 AM Author: gay big abode patrolman You are basically getting at original antigenic sin: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28479213/
Vaccine induced Abs have 'some' affinity to the virus, but not nearly as good as those that would be produced by a naive immune system. |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 10:46 AM Author: slippery corner Some idiot lawyer on the internet (me) stumbles into the right answer …. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43849600) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 1:31 PM Author: azure boistinker XO is the Braintrust of the Free Internet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43850808) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 10:02 AM Author: flickering laser beams macaca Virus evolving to avoid vaccine immunity seems really intuitive. I haven't understood this whole time why it wouldn't be the same case as that example from middle school bio of roachs that can survive bug spray breeding and eventually whole roach populations surviving it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43849382) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 10:05 AM Author: bull headed legend mad-dog skullcap All answers lead down to this: how can Pfizer make money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43849392) |
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Date: January 26th, 2022 1:32 PM Author: excitant famous landscape painting feces Yeah but the virus the vaccines forced into existence is weak as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5016769&forum_id=2#43850822) |