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China’s newest aircraft carrier is a cheap US knockoff and not nuclear
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Date: June 19th, 2022 12:37 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707701) |
Date: June 19th, 2022 12:37 PM Author: Vivacious flatulent goal in life Global naval projection is flame, they just need to protect their local sphere of influence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707704) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:21 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry Correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707885) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 3:25 PM Author: Histrionic Black Stage Yes, we’re certainly fine if that’s all “they” do. Leave the hyperpower to the historical end state. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708324) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:16 PM Author: Vivacious flatulent goal in life WHy are you scared of bird aliens? We have like 11 carrier groups (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709133) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 6:55 AM Author: bonkers opaque persian cr, effective for bullying E/SE azn countries. otherwise not exactly going to hit Hawaii (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44710985) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 12:37 PM Author: gaped glassy business firm Pic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707705) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:23 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2022/jun/17/china-launches-high-tech-type-003-aircraft-carrier-in-naval-milestone-2466678.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707892) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 12:38 PM Author: gaped glassy business firm *TT crying, losing hoap* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707707) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:27 PM Author: transparent cracking turdskin Russia and China can effortlessly destroy U.S. aircraft carriers from thousands of miles away with hypersonic missiles. The era of the aircraft carrier is done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707911) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:37 PM Author: claret irate school cafeteria pisswyrm False (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707948) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:39 PM Author: gaped glassy business firm lol @ believing this pentagon propaganda to get more funding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707952) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:40 PM Author: Diverse filthy associate box office really don’t know if this neocon meme is true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707954) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:46 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707977) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:48 PM Author: Shivering alcoholic home fat ankles How are they planning to target a carrier in a big fucking ocean with a missile? There's millions of square miles the thing could be hiding in and the carrier would never let anything get close enough to spot it. This is pure copium from countries who can't afford carriers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707982) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:50 PM Author: Spectacular National holy shit, are u this deranged and retarded u dont think modern satiellites can track carrier groups every second of every day, and aside from that drones and subs.... jfc at XO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707993) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:58 PM Author: Diverse filthy associate box office Satellite tracking seems possible I guess. Ljl at a sub or drone getting close though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708011) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:09 PM Author: Spectacular National subs always follow carrier groups u stupid faggot, that is one of their big jerbs, they dont get within the carrier group though of course but track from behind
and wtf wld they do to a high flying drone, they arent going to start a conflict shooting it down
sat tracking is 100000% easy, carriers do not stay out forever, soemthing like half of US carriers are in maintenance, when tehy leave port u just track it 24-7, u cannot hid a fuking carrier, its not WW2 |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:16 PM Author: Diverse filthy associate box office whoa asymmetrical facial feature turdskin military expert over there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708050) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:17 PM Author: Spectacular National Its Admiral Turdskin to you, BIRDSHIT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708053) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:29 PM Author: Pontificating rehab apologies Sir 🫡 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708098) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:30 PM Author: Spectacular National It's YOUR EXCELLENCY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708100) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:14 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry These hypersonic missiles have significant range. They do not have to be close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708042) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease they do have to have amazing and timely targeting intel and there’s no reason to believe that the chinks will have this at any given time
and if they do, they need to repeat the hits probably 6-12 times. no one missile is going to sink a carrier, and we have 12 of them
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Date: June 19th, 2022 9:48 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry Intel is combined with Russia's and depends on satellite imagery. Once a single aircraft carrier is sunk the Americans will go back home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709878) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 8:32 AM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease hmm this hubris sounds very much like that of another gook dictatorship that fucked around and found out
listen, if you slant eyes ever get your sight straight enough to even hit a carrier, much less sink it, you will have 300mm+ very pissed off murderous people ready to throw a nuke down a bug hole and end you all |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 5:00 PM Author: aphrodisiac frozen ratface potus On this rare occasion I'm going to pull rank and cite my own personal expertise in this area. Before law school I worked with satellite images/data all the time. I have since looked up on what kinds of satellites and satellite technologies countries are putting up. Here's what you need to know:
1. A satellite in fixed orbit can take nice high res pics of stuff that's sitting in a fixed location where the satellite engineers happen to know it's going to be. Otherwise these things can only photograph whatever they are lucky enough to spot at the moment they pass by.
2. The satellites that take these high res pics cannot see a patch of the earth's surface wider than about 1-2 miles square at best. Beyond that, you are looking at pictures that capture wider expanses of the earth's surface, but don't give you the resolution you need to see something as small (relative to the size of the earth's surface) as an aircraft carrier with the kind of resolution you need to hit it square on with a missile.
3. If you have a general idea of where an aircraft carrier is, you can send up geostationary satellites that will scan that area of the ocean. However, this is like tossing a tennis ball up in the air and waiting for it to fall. You can only take pictures while the thing is up in the air. It's going to fall back to earth eventually, because it's not in any kind of stable orbit.
4. So China has to throw up these satellites that scan the whole ocean and try to locate the general vicinity of the carrier group. There's no satellite that can do that, because the ocean is too fucking big (see # 2 above).
5. However, assuming China has some kind of intel that lets it locate the carrier group with some accuracy, it can send up satellites that cover that patch of ocean and track the carrier. However, they will have to be in geostationary orbit, meaning it's only a matter of time before their orbit decays and they fall to earth.
6. A nuclear carrier can move at 35 knots and turn on a dime. To hit it with a missile, you need something with the resolution to spot a carrier that can also track it as it moves 3 miles in 5 minutes. So your satellite in geostationary orbit has to be fairly close to the earth and have some kind of moving camera I guess. You have to have a bunch of these satellites ready to fire to track this fucking carrier for however long it takes to launch your missile. You start to do the math on this and it looks about as easy as building a fusion reactor.
7. We can intercept and shoot down China's satellites. |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 5:04 PM Author: Self-centered Casino Selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708627) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 10:11 PM Author: Shivering alcoholic home fat ankles Thanks for explaining my point far better than I could on my own. Muh Satellites is the stupidest argument, real life is not TV where everyone has realtime 4k video at every arbitrary point on earth.
What is somewhat more interesting are the terrapixel cameras on dirigible drones with theoretically unlimited endurance that the US has been testing over major cities but even they would be useless for targeting missiles at hostile carriers. |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 9:37 PM Author: aphrodisiac frozen ratface potus I think the presumption is that our carrier group will make its general location known at some point, at which point they can try use drones and temporary satellites. Satellites might be easier to launch undetected and have unlimited range, but drones seem superior in every other respect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44714865) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 9:24 AM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Chinacucks btfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44711209) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 10:06 PM Author: ebony hunting ground Bahw Gawd, Someone Stop The Daym Match. That Man Has A Family! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44714989) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 7:47 PM Author: Glittery burgundy area filthpig Geostationary satellites are up there for good. There is no drag at all at that altitude so they don’t degrade and the orbits are stable. They are also nothing like lobbing a tennis ball? Are you thinking of something else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44714351) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 9:34 PM Author: aphrodisiac frozen ratface potus Those kinds of geostationary satellites are at too high to do high res snaps that can track an aircraft carrier (and even they still have to be maintained, otherwise they will fall to earth . Years ago North Korea started putting satellite launchers on rails so that they could be hidden in mountains and rolled out on a moment's notice to launch temporary satellites to guide its missiles. China would presumably do the same. These would be temporary satellites put in low orbits that would presumably be used to guide missiles. Neither country can expect to launch satellites during a hot war and have them stay up for any real length of time irrespective of what kind of satellite they are, because we are already tracking their satellites and presumably ready to destroy a good number of them already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44714854) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 10:06 PM Author: ebony hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44714986) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 3:26 PM Author: Histrionic Black Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708329) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 5:33 AM Author: Hyperactive nursing home satellites are not the primary means by which entire carrier groups are geolocated by other nations. the problem with those ships is that they are extremely LOUD in terms of how their travel propagates acoustically through the water. you can 'hear' them from quite some distance. i don't know what china's naval surveillance system looks like, but anything sailing as big and hard as a CBG will probably get picked up by acoustic signatures within a few hundred miles of even just a modern spy-buoy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44710889) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 7:50 PM Author: Glittery burgundy area filthpig Yup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44714359) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 9:58 PM Author: pink disturbing lodge half-breed Retarded. Even if an aircraft carrier is a paltry 500 miles away from mainland China, there would be a 9–10 minute delay for mainland-based hydrophones. Good luck hitting a needle in a giant fucking haystack w/ 9-10 old targeting data on a ship that can zig-zag at 40 knots.
The only way to really do it is sensor fusion, where you combine data from satellites, radar, sonar, visual, recce planes, etc. into a targeting solution. The problem with this plan is that it's all theoretical and liable to fall on its face when pushed to produce results and it basically still avoids dealing w/ all the defenses carrier groups have. |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 1:49 PM Author: Spectacular National The New US Ford Carriers cant even get their fuking catapult to work. It cost over a billion. Each carrier is like 13b but they arent even operational and no one even knows if they will work. So lol at this Birdshit cope about the Chink carrier, you really want to bet which one will end up actually working? The US cannot even build a biological thin woman anymore, good luck do anything more complex like a carrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44707988) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:13 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708041) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:31 PM Author: Brindle Appetizing Spot Ladyboy The time elapsed between laying a hull down and the completed ship’s first deployment has been a historically important metric when assessing the quality of a given naval engineering project. As with everything else, American weapons conglomerates have developed elaborate mechanisms for gaming this system. So many years have elapsed since the Fords were supposed to be crewed and deployed that the navy, under mounting pressure, recently announced the ships would undertake their first “employment” wherein they would sail around the world, always within sight of land because the Fords can’t be trusted to reliably allow for launched planes to return (note that having to stay within range of a friendly airfield negates the entire argument for carriers). The broken EM systems cannot be fixed while the ford undertakes its publicity tour and additional >$10 billion/unit Ford hulls remain under construction, deficient EM system included.
If only you knew how bad things really are |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 2:34 PM Author: Spectacular National lol at usa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708109) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 3:27 PM Author: Histrionic Black Stage Tommy, cope some more at the feet of Empire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708334) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: gaped glassy business firm You’re fucking pathetic getting triggered over a foreign communist military
What a small world you live in |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Oh no we’ll never have 11 Nimitz class carriers
Lmao |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 4:31 PM Author: Spectacular National at any time only like half of them are even operational, they want to replace all of them with Ford Class carriers which dont even furking work.... lol@ the US Navy, like everything birdshits run in the uS its a JOKE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708518) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 4:40 PM Author: gaped glassy business firm Sorry shitskin, no one is buying your CCP propaganda lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708540) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:00 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Lol we only have 6 operational nuclear carriers with a full complement of crew and munitions and escort fleet vs zero on the chink side, whatever will we do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709049) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 4:34 PM Author: bearded cuck They also have cloned Blackhawks.
All of their shit is cheap chink knockoff garbage and basically nobody in their entire military has any real combat experience. |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 4:45 PM Author: Spectacular National oh noeesss they dont fight neverending pointless wars that they lose all the time!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44708562) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:01 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease even pointless wars sharpen the spear, you dumb turd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709060) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:15 PM Author: pink disturbing lodge half-breed The Chinese are 40-50 yrs behind carrier operations, so it's not even close. Like you mentioned OP, the fucking thing isn't even nuclear, so not only does it need to store millions of gallons of fuel for shitty Chinese knockoff copies of jets, but it also needs to fuel itself. This means it will need to be accompanied by vulnerable fuel ship at all times or it needs to sacrifice interior space for fuel storage.
If given the order the US Navy could completely decapitate the CCP/PLA/PLAN in 24-36 hrs using non-nuclear means. China can't even hit Hawai'i all that hard, and LOL @ CONUS. They have zero power projection. |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:32 PM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Cr
TT maf |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:41 PM Author: comical legend hell have the chinks ever attempted a nuclear boat? is there a reason they are still building diesel shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709258) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 7:45 PM Author: Thriller buff indian lodge laser beams Not a fan of China, but gushing over queer LGBTQ US pozz military is pathetic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709272) |
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Date: June 19th, 2022 9:51 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry This is a very Western birdshit way of thinking. China will not be launching an invasion of the US mainland. US fleets are made to support fighting all over the world because you are a bunch of insane warmongers that can honestly plan to fight China over Taiwan. China creates fleets to fight around China. That is why concerns over things like fuel are secondary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44709889) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 5:11 AM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease yeah having 3 million men under arms is not a sign of a warmongering country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44710855) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2022 2:50 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry It is clear that the West intends to fight China in Asia. Taiwan reunification will begin soon. This does not mean that China intends to fight the West in Europe and North America. Because of this, our Navy is built differently than Western Navies. For a Western Navy to fight China, they are fighting thousands of miles from home. For China, we are fighting around the mainland. Nuclear power does not make sense in that scenario. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44724073) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2022 2:56 PM Author: pink disturbing lodge half-breed Yeah, it's clear that the West intends to start a fight, lol
https://imgur.com/a/nN9HHuL |
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Date: June 22nd, 2022 3:16 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry Look at their attempt to subvert the situation in Hong Kong recently. Look at their attempt to encourage separatism in Taiwan, which will force a final push for unification, which unfortunately will probably require military means. Yes, this requires a strong China. If it were up to the West they would split China into a dozen weak puppet states.
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Date: June 23rd, 2022 4:07 AM Author: ruby massive azn mad cow disease Taiwan was never a part of your commie gook country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44727202) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:57 PM Author: Startled jet-lagged dingle berry It is part of our country now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44736690) |
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Date: June 20th, 2022 10:10 PM Author: umber patrolman Probably thought they were getting a nuclear one like this guy thought he was getting an electric super car:
https://insideevs.com/news/444280/chinese-sports-car-alibaba-scam/ |
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Date: June 23rd, 2022 6:09 AM Author: Scarlet toilet seat jfc chinks lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5134466&forum_id=2#44727317) |