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Alex Jones concedes Sandy Hook massacre was "100% real"
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:10 PM Author: vivacious salmon tank https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alex-jones-trial-testimony-sandy-hook-massacre-100-percent-real/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958253) |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:33 PM Author: maniacal son of senegal church building To be fair,
Gee, I wonder what this portends for doing things like "denying the Holocaust"? |
Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:13 PM Author: wonderful transparent knife love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958265) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:13 PM Author: ruby dog poop theater stage Fucking deep state got to him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958276) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:16 PM Author: Galvanic balding associate space *got another one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959130) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:14 PM Author: costumed misanthropic masturbator Cons choose weird heroes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958281) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:44 PM Author: Greedy partner lodge no one even knows who the fuck that guy is except for internet addicted freaks like you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958381) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:19 PM Author: costumed misanthropic masturbator Haha yeah! He is totally fringe and none of his theories were adopted by mainstream republicans ;-) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963146) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:49 PM Author: Greedy partner lodge yep that's correct. spend less time on the internet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963265) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:57 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo (guy who thought Avenatti was legit) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963297) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:51 PM Author: cerebral kink-friendly site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963964) |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:30 PM Author: maniacal son of senegal church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968005) |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:50 PM Author: costumed misanthropic masturbator Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968116) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:19 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Oh shit do I have to refrain from saying mean things about Samantha Power if I reasonably believe her husband reads this bort? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958294) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:40 PM Author: smoky disgusting range bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958362) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 3:22 PM Author: Geriatric chrome candlestick maker Jones is the only person testifying in his own defense. His attorney asked him if he now understands it was "absolutely irresponsible" to push the false claims that the massacre didn't happen and no one died.
Jones said he does, but added, "They (the media) won't let me take it back." |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 4:37 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Who cares? It's silly to subject him to a damages claim for this. Let free speech and the marketplace of ideas do its work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958629) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 4:38 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy multi-colored incel useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958632) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 4:38 PM Author: Iridescent Deranged Headpube Kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958633) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:27 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry I don't know. It sounds like there were some false statements of fact about the plaintiffs that caused them significant injury. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958868) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:29 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe How did they cause injuries? Sticks and stones. They say that people mobbed them, but then sue the mobbing people, who are a novus actus interveniens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958882) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:33 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship defamation is a tort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958911) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:37 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe I thought it was an IIED / NIED case. But I haven't looked into the facts. If the theory is that he defamed the parents by saying they are crisis actors, I think it should be a full defense that they've suffered no real damage since nobody takes the theory seriously. They've suffered no pecuniary damage, this is about hurt feelings, and I don't think we should use the courts to make people pay for hurt feelings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958925) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:41 PM Author: Clear Stubborn Philosopher-king Does Texas have NIED? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958934) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:45 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Not sure. Iirc they consider IIED as akin to a residual tort. But like I said, I've not looked into the precise facts and theories here, rather I have a policy objection to the suit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958953) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:59 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Trying to think of example of negligent speech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963303) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:02 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Never heard of negligent misrepresentation? Typically one needs a special relationship to make out a claim. But cf. Securities Act liability.
https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2742&context=mlr |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:05 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo That statute requires the def to owe a duty of care to the plaintiff through some sort of business relationship. I'd argue it punishes breach of duty, not the content of the speech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963330) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:06 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Negligent misrep is common law. And you said you were trying to think of an example of negligent speech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963333) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:07 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Obviously ppl can owe duties of care, duties of candor etc through voluntary contract. I don't think those have 1A implications at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963340) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:08 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe I think you have the wrong subthread. I never mentioned the first amendment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963345) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:01 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship so you don't know anything about law, don't know anything about the facts, but have strong opinions all the same? welcome to xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959039) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:16 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe I know a lot about the law, and have a glancing familiarity with the facts, which together are sufficient to deliver the policy opinion above. I welcome any edification on particulars, but none have been forthcoming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959131) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:20 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Jones is the least cost avoider. If any harm occurs it's most efficient to make him pay. I believe that's the logic at work here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959158) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:26 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Not so, the least cost avoider is the plaintiffs, who have suffered no actual injury. By rewarding them we are incentiving grievance collecting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959185) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:20 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Sounds like another way of saying the law doesn't recognize the kind of injury being alleged here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959426) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:24 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe The law shouldn't. That was my point, which I framed as one of policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959439) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:30 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo If he acted with criminal intent I don't think the 1A protects that anymore than it protects my right to hire a hitman. I don't know what we gain by making this a tort instead of a crime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959462) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:31 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe I'm not sure what criminal acts you think are involved. We seem to be two ships passing in the night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959469) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:46 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo My comment about least cost avoider was a joke. I agree with you except I wouldn't say there's no recognizable harm here. I think harassment is harmful and that's the same kind of harm being alleged here. I think the problem is that we allow this to be treated as a civil offense when criminal laws against harassment seem sufficient to guard against the kind of harm being alleged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959566) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 8:18 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Then I don't think we disagree. I fully support criminal laws against harassment being enforced, but I don't think that describes the suit against Jones here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959691) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:51 PM Author: Buck-toothed Slimy Stage Bro, there are people on this site that take the theory seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959305) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:53 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe I have bad news for you about xo 2022 and our standing in any community meaningful to assessing reputational harm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959317) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:28 PM Author: ruby dog poop theater stage "I haven't looked into the facts."
Don't worry, we know. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:32 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Feel free to educate me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959474) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:53 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo What was the worst actual false statement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958991) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:03 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry I'm not very familiar with the case, but I just read something saying that Jones said that the plaintiff didn't hold his dead kid with a bullet hole in his head, when he actually did. Shit like that.
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:17 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Boo hoo. Sticks and stones.
Can't have free speech when naked hurt feelings give rise to civil damages. Too easy to game. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:34 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry You know that hurt feelings alone don't give rise to liability. Why do you feel the need to frame it that way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959220) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:37 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe It's not that I feel the need to frame it this way, I just don't think there are any other damages and I've seen no indication to the contrary.
The case is, "the bad evil man has a wrong opinion that gave me a case of the sads." I'm sure they have some bs expert to testify about pain and suffering — but a physician's imprimatur doesn't alter the fundamental nature of the suit.
This is a political prosecution for wrongthink, and as such inimical to our republican traditions and Anglo-Saxon tradition of free thought. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:38 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry You know that opinions and statements of facts are different in a defamation context. Again, why are you intentionally dissembling? It's fucking dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959238) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:42 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe What misstatements of fact did he make that harmed P's reputation? Only nutters take him seriously. You elsewhere in the thread equate him positing Sandy Hook was a hoax with CNN claiming some kid is a racist, in terms of impact in the community. And you accuse me of dissembling? It is to laugh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959258) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:45 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry I said nothing at all about "impact on the community." Weird. I think I thought you were smarter than you are. Never mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959279) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:52 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe I'll withdraw that and replace it with "reputational harm". The point stands. I see this in essence as an IIED/residual tort case. The harm is not really to anyone's "reputation," since Jones is known as a nut and nobody in the pertinent community takes the theory seriously. If there are people who take it seriously and injure someone, I think those people should be held to account, but I'm not comfortable on policy grounds extending the causation to Jones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959312) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 7:26 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry I just don't see a valid distinction between causation of traditional reputational injury (someone lied about me and I got fired because my boss believed it) and this (someone lied about me and I got harassing phone calls, etc. from people who believed it).
I think it's hard to argue "nobody takes Jones seriously" when there is evidence of a substantial number of people taking him seriously in this case. |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 7:33 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe The difference is in human agency. The law traditionally treated people's voluntary actions as somewhat special, a policy judgment that was expressed in how superseding causes are handled. If I lie and say your wife is sleeping around and you kill her, am I then liable for murder? I think not, on the same logic as above — we reasonably expect people to behave reasonably (or at least that is the legal fiction).
Also, I'm troubled by this defamation case on, essentially, civil libertarian grounds — I think Jones is being punished for having stupid and unpopular opinions, and I do not like the precedent. |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:28 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry "If I lie and say your wife is sleeping around and you kill her, am I then liable for murder?"
No, but you might be liable for defamation. Also, I'm not really sure if all the actions we're talking about are tortious/criminal. If someone calls you up and says you're an awful person, I'm not sure if that's a criminal/tortious act.
"I think Jones is being punished for having stupid and unpopular opinions, and I do not like the precedent."
Yeah, I don't like that either. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I want people with *popular* opinions to face liability when they lie about people and cause injury, and unpopularity shouldn't be a defense. |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:37 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Your response elides the central point that the kind of injury we are talking about, pain and suffering, is very easy to fake, nearly impossible to measure, and open to all sorts of manipulation for popularity and profit and otherwise when not accompanied by any physical injury or similar. We should not be encouraging people to take offense or collect grievances; instead, we should train them about sticks and stones. There is no free-floating Right to police the thoughts, opinions, or speech of others, even if someone claims it causes them grave Offense and "Injury." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968044) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 8:22 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo I think you can go further that. As long as the government is going to send undercover feds to dirty shit and keep it secret, the public ought to be able to accuse it of doing that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959715) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 8:26 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Sure. People are entitled to their opinions, including to speculation or specious idees-fixe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959743) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:53 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Who says it's an opinion? We live in a probabilistic world. Our laws are shot through with concepts like "reasonable doubt" that reflect this. Jones made a probabilistic assessment based on the facts in front of him, which include multiple instances where the FBI was found be Federal courts to have done all kinds of crazy unlawful shit. Maybe other details about the reporting made it seem even more likely that that's what happened here. The theory of law being applied here seems to exonerate the FBI and nothing else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963273) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:18 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Are we just supposed to infer causation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959141) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:35 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry I'm not sure if any of the statements are defamatory per se, but yes in that case.
I don't think causation is a problem in this case. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 9:16 PM Author: nudist thirsty lettuce school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959991) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:22 PM Author: Chestnut Razzle Mood Shrine um excuse me honey but this is malinformation and must be suppressed by the state to the full extent of it's power. what kind of fascist would think jones deserves free speech? yike it's almost as if you need to take a trip to the re-education camp, sweetie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959170) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:59 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Don't forget libs think "lying to the FBI" is a jailable offense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963302) |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:45 PM Author: Painfully honest sanctuary Lying to the FBI is a criminal offense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968089) |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 1:03 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Please rewrite that statement with "jailable" in place of "criminal" tyia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968175) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:30 PM Author: lavender submissive public bath Have they called Gene Rosen to the stand yet? He oughta set things straight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958889) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:43 PM Author: Pontificating Useless University good. take every dollar he has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44958941) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 5:56 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo What's the theory of law here? If I say something that causes someone else to say things that cause you emotional distress, that's illegal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959012) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:05 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship the theory is that if you accuse someone of committing a despicable deed that they did not commit, and as a result, that person is excoriated by members of the community both for committing that despicable act and refusing to admit to committing that despicable act, then you are liable for damages.
why is everyone pretending that defamation is a novel concept |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:16 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Who was accused of doing what? I thought he accused the FBI of staging it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959128) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:23 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship feel free to go get up to speed on what occurred (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959172) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:09 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo You too, non-lawyer shitlib pumo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963351) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:19 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe The notion that the community took Jones seriously is risible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959151) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:22 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship people very clearly and demonstrably believed alex jones's statements and acted on that belief. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959167) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:24 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Then those people should be sued for whatever they did, if it caused harm. But I'm just hearing there's some metaphysical "harm" from people believing weird false stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959177) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:30 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship again, defamation is a tort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959203) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:31 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Yes, and the elements include causation and damages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959207) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:40 PM Author: Primrose cracking cruise ship what exactly do you think reputational damage is? reputational damage arises from the way third parties react to the false statements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959248) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:43 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry Yeah, I mean, if you imagine a scenario where someone says Joe Blow raped and murdered the homecoming queen, and a bunch of people believe it, and go and beat the shit out of Joe Blow, I think it's reasonable to treat those injuries as caused by the false/defamatory statement, just the same as if Joe Blow got fired from his job after the statement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959268) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:49 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe The people beating him should in my view be a novus actus interveniens, because we should have a policy in favor of free speech but heavily tilted against battery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959296) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:00 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry Should getting fired be treated the same? Denied college admission? Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959347) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:03 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Yes since neither of those are independent torts and since they evidence that normal reasonable persons have formed a negative opinion based on false info. You can also frame it as a foreseeability issue. If I say you're an alcoholic falsely, I may be liable if you are fired, but not if a pumo who hates alcohol goes Punisher and blows up your car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959358) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 7:26 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry Ok. I think I at least understand your position better. Not sure if I agree with it, but I see the distinction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44964705) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 7:29 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Ty, that is good to hear, good chat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44964717) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:31 PM Author: Chestnut Razzle Mood Shrine if applied across the board (of course it won't be this is just about hating alex joens), this would be disastrous policy.
so anyone that questions the consensus narrative is liable for any blowback their speech has? that would make it dangerous to make any unpopular political speech, which is the only type of speech that actually needs protection.
and before you go on about defamation being a novel concept: there has always been a distinction between opinion speech and factual speech. an opinion about a factual event that you did not witness should be protected from defamation so long as it is not knowingly false. if jones said "i was in sandy hook and saw the crisis actors" then i think he should be liable. but him saying "i think it was a hoax and that they're lying" is just an opinion that he has not (to my knowledge) expressed any personal knowledge of. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:34 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959221) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:37 PM Author: hairraiser flirting gay wizard faggotry "so anyone that questions the consensus narrative is liable for any blowback their speech has?"
What? No. Just don't make false statements of fact about people that harm their reputation. You can question all you want. You can state your opinion all you want.
It's weird seeing the XOXO position on defamation in the Alex Jones context v. the XOXO position on defamation in the Nicholas Sandmann context. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:27 PM Author: snowy electric windowlicker temple You're both right. In general unpopular, counterfactual opinion must be protected. But if you said publicly I saw Joe Biden rape his mom and he should be arrested, that's defamation. Pretty clear what the difference is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959449) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 8:27 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Alex Jones never claimed he personally saw anyone commit a crime. It's more analogous to someone saying "Joe Biden didn't really get vaccinated, he knows it's poison intended to reduce population." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959749) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 9:09 PM Author: snowy electric windowlicker temple This would totally pass for a public figure but if you said this about Bob in accounting and some people from the internet banged on his door screaming every night then it would be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959948) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 2:55 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Did MSNBC run Bob's image on TV and make incredulous claims about Bob? If people harass Adam Lanza's dad can he sue Rachel Maddow? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963292) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:47 PM Author: snowy electric windowlicker temple You definitely can't make false statements about Adam Lanza's dad with intent to harm his reputation. You can report on him to the extent that it's relevant to the incident of national importance. You could probably get away with pushing it even further and publish verifiable details about his personal life. But you couldn't say something objectively false about him and run it all day. And then if his life was damaged by something false then it would be defamation. I don't know why everyone ITT is so confused it's pretty simple. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963941) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 8:23 PM Author: vermilion bespoke library antidepressant drug Careful, you're getting very close to claiming that this board is somehow a right wing echo chamber, which obviously can't be true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959723) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:25 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo In other words you have to prove the speaker's intent, and that's what you're punishing, not the speech. I don't even know how the fuck you can be "negligent" about public statements like this. Did he have a duty to investigate the FBI before speaking out about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959442) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:26 PM Author: Chestnut Razzle Mood Shrine wait you don't think alex jones holds a lot of influence in umc connecticut neighborhoods? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959184) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:55 PM Author: seedy ivory corn cake Gawker was brought down for less. Nobody on xo bitched about that… (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959319) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:00 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Gawker released a sex tape, no? That's different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959343) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:03 PM Author: seedy ivory corn cake They reported on factually correct things that Hulk Hogan said in the tape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959357) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:05 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe >>>On October 4, 2012, Gawker editor A.J. Daulerio published a two-minute extract from the 30-minute video, including 10 seconds of explicit sexual activity.[15]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollea_v._Gawker |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:18 PM Author: seedy ivory corn cake What did the video actually show? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959414) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:19 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Now you're moving the goalposts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959420) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:29 PM Author: ruby dog poop theater stage Hulk Hogan fucking Bubba the Love Sponge's wife; eventually getting tired and having to take a breather. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959457) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:48 PM Author: internet-worthy trailer park organic girlfriend you're done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959579) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:10 PM Author: Chestnut Razzle Mood Shrine defamation and invasion of privacy are different causes of action. no one is arguing jones has the rights to publish naked photos taken in privacy of the sandy hook parents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959382) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:30 PM Author: ruby dog poop theater stage The Gawker case was based on explicit Florida statutory law about invasion of privacy. It was, but kind of wasn't, a first amendment case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959465) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:33 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Gawker's inhouse counsel / GC (Gabbie?) was a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959483) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 6:25 PM Author: adventurous nursing home wrinkle Did the trial cover any of the bizarre occurrences with Sandy Hook? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959181) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:07 PM Author: Contagious selfie rehab No, Alex Jones did not show up for that part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959369) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:02 PM Author: Talented Twisted Indian Lodge Marketing Idea Good. If my kid was murdered and some rich retard like Alex Jones called me a crisis actor making it all up, I’d sue too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959353) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 8:30 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Are the FBI not also rich retards? Why don't you sue the FBI for making Alex Jones seem credible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959764) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:45 PM Author: dashing cream state what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963922) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 7:47 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Some random weirdo harasses a Sandy Hook dad, and you trace chain of causation to Alex Jones, right?
- Alex Jones says X though a bullhorn
- Joe hears Alex Jones and believes him
- Acting on the belief that X is true, Joe harasses Karen
- Karen blames Alex Jones for making Joe believe X
Isn't that how this is supposed to work? |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 1:08 PM Author: dashing cream state i have no clue what you are trying to say here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968192) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 7:29 PM Author: Talented Twisted Indian Lodge Marketing Idea Huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44964716) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:30 PM Author: cowardly market Hopefully this guy ends up destitute (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959460) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2022 7:31 PM Author: Milky Parlor Sandy Hook is as real as the holocaust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44959471) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:49 AM Author: Contagious selfie rehab How would he now know it's real? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44961296) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 9:38 AM Author: adventurous nursing home wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44961837) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 3:04 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Why does it matter what he knows now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963323) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:42 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe One dad apparently seeks $300m in compensatory damages because Alex Jones said he didn't really hug his dead son's corpse, or whatever.
What laughable bullshit. Three hundred million! A bit steep, no?
We've really lost the plot as a society. |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:55 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo Because what matters is not whether you hug your daughter, but whether the public is firmly convinced you're hugging her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963989) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:56 PM Author: indecent glittery giraffe Personally, I'm a cheap guy, so I value the public (esp. conspiracy theory believers) knowing I hugged my dead daughter at only $150mm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44963993) |
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Date: August 4th, 2022 4:58 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo If I hug a girl I think I'm entitled to the presumption she's my daughter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44964005) |
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Date: August 5th, 2022 12:58 PM Author: Deep bawdyhouse tattoo "Folks this was a 100% real government operation, with 100% real dead kids, used to assault your 100% real 2nd amendment rights. Let's have moment of silence for the victims and their families, including the FBI agent who lawyered up and sued me and sent discovery requests to my lawyers, poor guy." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5166499&forum_id=2#44968157) |
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