Underreported aspect of Ukraine war: Ukraine constantly moving goalposts for Rus
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Date: August 6th, 2022 1:47 AM Author: Green stag film
At first we were told things were fine because Russia didn't take Kiev or any other city anyone has ever heard of. Everyone was loling at them having to fight to take these little tertiary cities no one had ever heard of.
Then for the entire month of July the only thing Ukraine could brag about was that a few 50lb bombs managed to temporarily disable a two lane bridge to a tertiary city no one had ever heard of. We were also informed that numerous counteroffensives were being launched to remove Russia from this shit town no one had ever heard of. Then we heard it was ok because Russia wasn't moving out of that town real fast yet.
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Date: August 6th, 2022 11:40 AM Author: Green stag film
I'm a big history buff and I've read a shit ton about the Vietnam war, and even went to Vietnam, talked to war vets, and read what their authors had to say about it. In total I probably spent upwards of three years learning about that war.
This particular war was yugely exciting because I got to watch Ukraine make all the same mistakes the US made early in Vietnam, and now I'm able to confirm the accuracy of my predictions. I could see all the news reports saying Ukraine was winning, but I thought I knew better and it turns out I did.
Ok your turn: why do you care so much about this?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972448) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 1:27 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
So the argument here is that Russians are actually gay nonwhites because.... they're intentionally sending the shittiest and lease white contingents of their society to die in battle on their behalf, rather than sending the whites?
Wow, sounds very non-white of them. Disgusting, really.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972901) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 1:23 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
Especially when those racial beliefs are as fucking retarded as "Ukrainians are pureblooded Aryan whites, and Russians are filthy mudblooded mongrels."
Haha yeah, sort of like how Indians and Pakistanis are, like, totally different races!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972886) |
Date: August 6th, 2022 11:46 AM Author: White Histrionic Parlor Ladyboy
the whole thing had 2016 vibes with the msm dotting on about ukraine's imminent victory and russia's collapse as soon as the war started. for a time there you would be laughed at if you had any doubt of ukraine's victory.
i never really formed much of an opinion because i don't know shit about russia or ukraine's relative military power. but the msm being so cock sure about ukraine made me skeptical. another example of how much of a useful heuristic it is to be cynical about the msm consensus.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972464) |
Date: August 6th, 2022 11:58 AM Author: clear very tactful nibblets organic girlfriend
Are you trolling or actually brain dead?
This entire war has seen Russia moving the goal posts. We went from “TOTAL VICTORY IN TWO DAYS” to “TWO MORE WEEKS” to “THAT WAS A FEINT” to a complete collapse of the Northern front to “Phase 2” to encircle the East, which crawled along at a pathetic WW1 pace for literal months. Mighty Russia has been stalled out for a long ass time and are pulling together Expendables divisions of geriatrics from far flung regions of their shit empire.
vatniks are the dumbest people alive
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972523) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 12:36 PM Author: Green stag film
Wow, yeah. I would only add that in hindsight there's more to say about what happened in 1954. Both sides were heavily invested in the outcome of those negotiations, but one of the terms was that there were supposed to be elections in 1956 to resolve outstanding reunification issues. By the time 1956 rolled around however the US was deeply opposed to elections and refused to let them occur, because it looked like people might vote to reunify under the Hanoi leadership.
So the decision to go to war in the first place was premised on the notion that war was a better alternative to elections, since it at least offered us the hope of saving the South Vietnamese government. If you're committed to that position, you really do need to make it fast and quick. A long grinding war is no substitute for political solutions, especially DEMOCRATIC ones. So once 1956 had come and gone, and we were nowhere near military victory, we needed a new justification for being there.
By the time JBS became involved it was already a foregone conclusion that we were trapped in a long grinding war. So they were right in the sense that we could/should have done everything in a flash, but we couldn't have pursued that strategy in 1955, when it would have mattered, because we couldn't claim that nukes > elections in 1956. Furthermore JBS couldn't offer up a rationale that would have justified that approach after the Tet Offensive, because we were in the process of bombing the ever loving shit out of Khe Sanh when that happened, and all the news reports were "look at these huge explosions, the war is going to be over in two weeks." How can you tell people "bombs will work" after our embassy got raided in the middle of a massive bombing campaign?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972686) |
Date: August 6th, 2022 12:06 PM Author: Underhanded Parlour
Russia fled from Kiev, Sumy, Kharkiv, didn't even attempt Odessa.
Meanwhile, Russia took literally 0.2% of Ukraine in the last 60 days and has to drive in pontoons to keep Kherson under wraps.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972557) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 12:22 PM Author: Green stag film
Russian morale was low early on. They couldn't silence domestic critics and the Russian govt ended up having to report a lot of unfavorable news just to maintain credibility. It wasn't like the old days where Putin could just murder his critics.
Ironically, what turned the tide was Ukraine torture porn and inflated body counts. The average Russian looking at this in February probably thought "wtf this is bullshit fuck doing this to Ukrainians." But then Ukrainians would steal phones off dead Russians, call their parents and film the phone call. To make things worse, normal Ukrainians would laugh at these videos and retweet them with laughing emojis. It only took about two weeks of this to restore Russian morale.
It also made it really hard for the US to maintain the same level of engagement, because Americans could see that Ukrainians were even worse than Nazis. All of a sudden it looked like Russia was telling the truth about these people and it became easy to sympathize with Russia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972627) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 12:16 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
Wait so multiple Russian fronts are collapsing and they are now having to truck in troops (even as they start to run low on ammo and troops and morale continues to plummet as we've been hearing about for months from the MSM when the talking heads aren't busy telling us that Putin is on the verge of death) just to barely hold on to some of the territory they did manage to get a toehold in...
...but, also, that's all sustainable from Russia's perspective, you never said that their efforts would collapse at some point in the future, why am I always strawmmanning in these debates, etc etc?
Oh. Jeez, sorry. I guess I'm even more retarded than I thought! I thought that last point was clearly implied by the previous points, but, again, I'm literally completely fucking gay and retarded haha yeah.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972595) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 12:22 PM Author: Underhanded Parlour
I have no idea where you are going. Yes, Russian fronts in Kiev, Kharkiv and Sumy collapsed. The Russians in those oblasts fled back to Russia and bled on the way.
If Russia wants to continue to bleed and suffer for taking individual settlements in the Donbas, I think NATO is happy to watch it play out.
Russia's ground forces are weakened for a generation. If that is "sustainable" is open for debate but from Europe and the US's perspective it looks positive.
They are sending in MTLBs (slightly armored tractors) in lieu of AFV/IFV and are shipping in tanks from the 60s. That is weakness for the worlds "Second Military" not strength.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972625) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 12:23 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
Also separately:
"Meanwhile Ukraine is giving literally individual square miles at the cost of thousands of bodies and companies worth of tanks and artillery."
Is that 'cost' being paid solely or almost entirely by Russia, or is it also being paid by Ukraine? If the latter, can you 1. quantify the rough casualty counts for both countries to date, and 2. explain your thoughts on whether kill rates on both sides are sustainable? To be clear, I ask because a lot of the MFE military geniuses on your side like TDNW seem to genuinely believe that Ukraine is taking WAAAAAAAAAAAY less casualties than Russia and/or that casualty rates frankly don't even matter from Ukraine's perspective for, uh,.... reasons that are so obvious that I won't waste time explaining them to you, GOOK!!! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Thank
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972633) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 1:34 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
You don't seem to get it: Low ammo? Shitty equipment? Plummeting morale? Massive casualty rates? Bad winter weather? Grain shortages? These are huge problems for Russia, and, simultaneously, total non-factors for Ukraine. The reasons for this asymmetry have been explained so many times on this board by MFE military geniuses like TDNW at this point that I won't even bother to spell them out again. Also, you sound like a fucking gook. GOOK!
U-S-A! U-S-A!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972923) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 1:40 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
So crazy how on the (((MSM))) news channels, all of the kiked-out talking heads support Ukraine to the hilt because it is a nation filled with innocent people led by a brave heroic leader who just coincidentally happens to be Jewish...
...while, simultaneously, here on XO, all of the totally-not-Jewish ("STFU Gook!") neocons support Ukraine because, uh... oh look, we ran the science and ACKSHUALLLLLLLLY, it turns out that Ukrainians are the REAL pure white Aryan Neo-Nazis. Trust me, fellow dissident rightwing goys! Ukraine is basically the 4th Reich!
Really makes you think haha.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972959) |
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Date: August 6th, 2022 1:30 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
And yet when I try to extrapolate from these dark "winter is coming..." comments you love to make that maybe -- just maybe -- you want readers to infer that Russia will get its shit pushed in and this war effort will become totally unsustainable and collapse at some point (and I ask you to make a prediction of when that will occur), well hold on a minute bro that's yet another example of my disingenuous bad faith strawmanning, you "never said that," etc.
Odd case, haha. Almost a Jewish style of "heads I win tails you lose" sophistic argumentation, really. I mean to be clear I would NEVER imply that you are Jewish, I never said that and reading that into what I did say would be a total strawman argument. But, well... ya know....
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44972910) |
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Date: August 7th, 2022 6:20 PM Author: ultramarine vibrant sanctuary dopamine
Ukraine is 95% white, Russia 80%
but if we are talking about troops then Ukraine’s army is probably 97% white and Russia’s maaaaybe 60%
and that 60% are the absolute dregs. they think paved roads and Nutella are elite amenities
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44978385) |
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Date: August 7th, 2022 6:43 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
"Uh, exSQUEEZE me, exSQUEEZE me --"
*excitedly pushes up faux-hornrimmed Warby Parker glasses*
"-- Did you, uh, *really* just refer to Wikipedia statistics as, uh.... 'propaganda', my guy?!"
*smug shiteating little smirk spreads across faggoty little rat face*
"This is ACKSHUALLY a very typical right-wing disinformation talking point which is EXTREMELY dangerous and degrading to our democratic discourse! As such, I MUST respond. As 'Politifacts' has made clear on numerous occasions (I have cites btw!), Wikipedia statistics are, on average, highly relia..."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44978514) |
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Date: August 7th, 2022 6:44 PM Author: Crystalline temple gaming laptop
To be fair,
"Look, bottom line, Ukraine PRIORITIZES pushing white men into the meat grinder (even when they conceivably could push other races into it instead), while Russia clearly does everything it can to shove brown people and Muslims on the battlefield and into harms' way. 'We are not the same' -- Fuck Russia! 1488, White Power!"
Haha yeah haha thanks for setting me straight on how this analysis really goes from the white dissident rightwing goy male perspective, my fellow based white white dissident rightwing goy male.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5168011&forum_id=2#44978516) |
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