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Ukraine astronomers have imaged UFOs moving 282/kps several miles up

https://bigthink.com/hard-science/ufo-uap-science/ A case...
I no longer unload
  09/22/22
Yeah those are alien craft.
Smyslov
  09/22/22
It's interesting these things tend to show up around big was...
Vladimir Purim
  09/22/22
Yes but not the war ur thinking of https://www.xoxohth.co...
The Arbitrageur formerly known as avg/ord/citizen
  09/22/22
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6000 ants dressed like rice
  09/22/22
This is some "Hitler ate sugar" level logic. A...
...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,
  09/22/22
Alright. But it's also 100% factual what is currently happen...
The Arbitrageur formerly known as avg/ord/citizen
  09/22/22
I believe the aliens (biological or not) are here and that t...
...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,
  09/22/22
It really seems that they were always here, end of the world...
( : | )
  09/22/22
You think they would interfere if we decided to nuke each ot...
...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,
  09/22/22
They might be actively managing the events here, actually.
( : | )
  09/22/22
This got this right: Time to stop giggling
( : | )
  09/22/22
Another article that cites huge fraud Avi Loeb.
Giorgio Moroder
  09/22/22
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.11215.pdf
( : | )
  09/22/22
The problem isn't the reliability of the data (though this i...
Giorgio Moroder
  09/22/22
That's why I like Alex Jones' "not of this world" ...
( : | )
  09/22/22
His thesis about Oumuamua is pretty compelling. And his b...
QueenLaBEEFah
  09/22/22
It's not unscientific to say terrestrial explanations have t...
Giorgio Moroder
  09/22/22
You haven’t read his thesis on it if you say there&rsq...
QueenLaBEEFah
  09/23/22
Nothing that you've described is evidence of anything. You c...
Giorgio Moroder
  09/23/22
I’m not going to rewrite his entire article in an XO p...
QueenLaBEEFah
  09/24/22
You say it's evidence aliens exist, then you call that posit...
Giorgio Moroder
  09/24/22
Youre really mischaracterizing what Avi Loeb is all about. H...
If I May
  09/23/22
I've probably read and listened to Avi Loeb speak more than ...
Giorgio Moroder
  09/23/22


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Date: September 22nd, 2022 7:44 PM
Author: I no longer unload

https://bigthink.com/hard-science/ufo-uap-science/

A case in point is a paper recently posted on a scientific server by three scientists from the Main Astronomical Observatory of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. For their study, Boris Zhilyaev and colleagues used two observation stations — one in Kyiv, and the other 120 kilometers away. Color video cameras recorded objects moving across the daytime sky at high speed, with exposure times set to just one millisecond and the frame rate set to no slower than 50 frames per second.

The cameras did record several hits. Some of the objects were luminous, while other very dark objects registered zero albedo, meaning they reflected no sunlight. What all of the objects shared in common, though, was that they were moving at extremely high velocities — up to 282 kilometers per second. Compare that with the Earth’s escape velocity of 11.2 km/s, which is the speed required to overcome our planet’s gravity and escape into space. No physical human-engineered object could get close to such velocities within the Earth’s atmosphere. Yet based on colorimetric methods, the scientists determined that the observed objects were only a few miles above our planet’s surface.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215203)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 7:49 PM
Author: Smyslov

Yeah those are alien craft.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215256)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 7:50 PM
Author: Vladimir Purim

It's interesting these things tend to show up around big was. A bunch of WW2 pilots reported seeing them too.

I wonder if this somehow means the war is going to seriously escalate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215264)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 7:54 PM
Author: The Arbitrageur formerly known as avg/ord/citizen

Yes but not the war ur thinking of

https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163511&mc=16&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215283)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 7:58 PM
Author: 6000 ants dressed like rice



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215312)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 8:58 PM
Author: ...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,


This is some "Hitler ate sugar" level logic.

AI eats sugar. Humans eat sugar but AI is bigger than humans therefore AI will come and kill us all. Unless you stop eating sugar. Flawless causal chain right here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215757)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:07 PM
Author: The Arbitrageur formerly known as avg/ord/citizen

Alright. But it's also 100% factual what is currently happening take it or leave it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215802)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:37 PM
Author: ...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,


I believe the aliens (biological or not) are here and that they are observing us. I believe this because the evidence is overwhelming. It's reasonable to believe that they are going to pay special attention to active war zones. beyond that I have no idea why they are here and what they are doing. There just isn't enough evidence.

I will note that it's hard to believe that whoever is doing thousands of cattle mutilations are just nice pleasant and friendly bros and it's also hard to believe that they are out to destroy us. If that were true I am pretty sure they could have done it by now. So evidence is conflicting. I know enough to admit I don't know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215946)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:39 PM
Author: ( : | )

It really seems that they were always here, end of the world cancelled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215952)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:40 PM
Author: ...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,


You think they would interfere if we decided to nuke each other? Hard to say. Maybe to protect earth resources? They seem to really like those cows. Where will they find cattle to mutilate if we nuke everything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215956)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:42 PM
Author: ( : | )

They might be actively managing the events here, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215973)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:06 PM
Author: ( : | )

This got this right: Time to stop giggling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215792)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:46 PM
Author: Giorgio Moroder

Another article that cites huge fraud Avi Loeb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215989)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:46 PM
Author: ( : | )

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.11215.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45215995)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:50 PM
Author: Giorgio Moroder

The problem isn't the reliability of the data (though this is Ukranian so who knows?) but the spin being put on it. Avi Loeb thinks EVERYTHING is an extraterrestrial, and this gets him all kinds glowing attention from the media. He thinks all kinds of alien tech is shooting out of the oort cloud. It's all speculative junk and it requires yugely unscientific leaps of logic to buy any of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45216008)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 9:52 PM
Author: ( : | )

That's why I like Alex Jones' "not of this world" better than "extraterrestrial"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45216015)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 10:01 PM
Author: QueenLaBEEFah

His thesis about Oumuamua is pretty compelling.

And his big gripe is that science is took quick to unscientifically rule out the possibility of alien tech just because scientists fell like it makes them feel kooky so it makes some sense that he regularly challenges the notion that something must not be alien.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45216068)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 11:27 PM
Author: Giorgio Moroder

It's not unscientific to say terrestrial explanations have to be ruled out before extraterrestrial ones can be ruled in. That's on the level of Occam's razor, a heuristic that's proven its utility since time immemorial.

Oumuamua is what made him famous too, and it's the same schtick. Sure, oumuamua could be a space probe or something, but there's no evidence to suggest that it is. All we can say about it right now is that it's inconsistent with what our models predict. Any time something inexplicable happens, Loeb puts forth a plausible sci-fi explanation that everyone latches onto, then he does a whole new round of paid speaking engagements. But his explanations add nothing to our knowledge, they are just theories dreamt up by a creative intellectual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45216491)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 6:57 AM
Author: QueenLaBEEFah

You haven’t read his thesis on it if you say there’s no evidence. If you said you disagree with his interpretation of the evidence I would respect your position more. The shape/composition of it, the fact that it accelerated the way it did, and the fact that it was at local rest when our solar system came upon it, is all evidence that supports his thesis. Not suggesting it’s the only possible explanation and I don’t think he is either.

You haven’t actually read his stuff and you’re just repeating what you’ve heard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45217143)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 10:45 PM
Author: Giorgio Moroder

Nothing that you've described is evidence of anything. You cannot say "the shape/composition" is evidence it came from alien life forms," and you won't say it, because you've done nothing to rule out random chance as an explanation. All anyone can say about this object is that none of our models predict it. You can't say "Avi Loeb's theory predicted it" because Avi Loeb didn't predict it. He just looked at the available data and connected the dots like the ancient Aztecs who thought the stars were literally demons trying to murder the sun.

For that matter if you think it's solid evidence aliens exist I'll point out that Loeb himself won't even say that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45221586)



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Date: September 24th, 2022 6:55 AM
Author: QueenLaBEEFah

I’m not going to rewrite his entire article in an XO poast idiot. I referred to some of the bases he uses as evidence. Again, go actually read it and you’ll see he doesn’t just say “hurr durr shape and composition” he explains why it’s unlikely for it to be random chance or natural phenomenon.

Your last sentence is just a repeat of an effort to straw man this as something it’s not. No one is saying OMG they’re among us because of that object.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45222343)



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Date: September 24th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: Giorgio Moroder

You say it's evidence aliens exist, then you call that position a "straw man" and run away from it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45222917)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 3:58 PM
Author: If I May ( )

Youre really mischaracterizing what Avi Loeb is all about. Have you ever heard NDT talk about the government UAP report or UFOs in general? He's hardly willing to even engage on the issue and to the extent that he does it's to dismiss it entirely. Scientists are far too concerned with their reputations to even allow for the *possibility* that the WOW signal, Aguadilla/Tic Tac/Nimitz/etc UFO incidents are extraterrestrial intelligence. They don't want to be seen as fellow travelers with legit UFO crazies. All Avi Loeb has ever said on the issue is that ETI needs to be given more serious consideration in some cases rather than dismissed out of hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45219605)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 10:47 PM
Author: Giorgio Moroder

I've probably read and listened to Avi Loeb speak more than anyone ITT. Sean Carrol takes him apart on his Mindscape podcast, puts him in a box in the first 15 minutes and keeps him there for the rest of the dialogue. He saw through Loeb, saw he was all about dat money (as is Sean Carroll, who is still butthurt about being denied tenure at UofC). It's like watching two frauds go at it and seeing one clearly dominate the other. I'm fine with looking for E.T. but Loeb is pure grift.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197542&forum_id=2#45221602)