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still seems crazy the music industry is completely dead
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:50 PM Author: coiffed coral church not even 20 years ago you still had big bands, multiple songs of the summer and young people excited to go to shows and festivals now it's gone |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:17 PM Author: Electric multi-billionaire skinny woman tswift tickets are like $700 for nosebleeds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555909) |
Date: November 28th, 2022 6:53 PM Author: Gold messiness i don't even recognize the songs/albums at the top of the billboard charts. this has been the case for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555817) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:16 PM Author: bisexual trust fund you don't recognize Taylor Swift, Drake and Harry Styles? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555905) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:25 PM Author: Gold messiness only swift. i don't think i can name any actual songs by the other two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555929) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:31 PM Author: bisexual trust fund so maybe you're just out of touch as millions and millions of people can? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555951) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:36 PM Author: coiffed coral church why does a pumo always say that in every thread about this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555970) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:04 PM Author: Disturbing medicated institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556105) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:40 PM Author: Gold messiness 'out of touch' meaning what, though? the point seems to be that even the most successful musicians today lack the kind of cultural reach that musicians used to have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555993) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:47 PM Author: bisexual trust fund he's one guy. the biggest artists haven't reached him. but they have reached millions over other people. so it's not that the music industry has lost its reach, this guy just isn't keeping up with the latest stuff. there was probably some guy talking out of his ass on the xo ham radio of the 1950's about how he'd never even heard of Elvis too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556023) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:48 PM Author: Gold messiness someone like michael jackson had way more cultural reach and recognition than someone like 'drake,' and it's not even close. that's the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556028) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:52 PM Author: bisexual trust fund now compare michael jackson to his modern contemporary, Taylor Swift. has a random kid in Sri Lanka heard of Taylor Swift? maybe, maybe not. it's possible Michael Jackson was the biggest artist of all time. that doesn't mean the music industry is dead. just look at the numbers, rather than this subjective criteria you are pulling out of your ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556048) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:55 PM Author: Gold messiness numbers of what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556069) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:58 PM Author: bisexual trust fund record sales and whatnot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556077) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:59 PM Author: Gold messiness record sales are way lower, aren't they? that's due to technology, but the music industry now tries to substitute meaningless metrics like 'streams' (which are completely unverifiable) for traditional physical sales of records. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556080) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:00 PM Author: Fuchsia haunted graveyard it still skews to way earlier than the music millennials even are nostalgic for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists#250_million_or_more_records but yes, how could you possibly have apples to apples stats? aggravating listens per month on spotify and hoping it's at parity with radio in the 80's? |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:42 AM Author: charismatic address digit ratio this is what people over 30yo have said for a century (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558557) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:54 PM Author: floppy preventive strike legal warrant This can somehow be blamed by the Clique System. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555820) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:15 PM Author: bisexual trust fund aren't live concerts bigger than ever? hasn't the industry figured out how to monetize streaming? isn't top tier of artists killing it? like most things, the middle class has probably been brutally hollowed out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555898) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:16 PM Author: Bipolar dead resort some brooklyn based indie band touring the country with a decent spotify following makes jack shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555904) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:17 PM Author: bisexual trust fund what? what is this supposed to mean? when did this type of band ever make a lot of money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555908) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:17 PM Author: floppy preventive strike legal warrant the minds are not matched (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555911) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:23 PM Author: coiffed coral church they made a decent living at least til not too long ago there were record labels specializing in this kind of stuff |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:36 PM Author: galvanic university voyeur that doesnt mean they were making good money. labels were never generous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45555973) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:05 PM Author: coiffed coral church ? they made enough money to have a decent lifestyle and keep doing it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556113) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:23 PM Author: galvanic university voyeur most didnt. even after they signed. they worked second jobs and were lucky to be one hit wonders. then they burn out after an album or two and go back to their old lives. this is like 90% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556211) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 7:32 AM Author: Brindle fortuitous meteor CR
There are people who made flashy music videos for VH1 and were pretty recognizable to most Gen X/older Millennial music fans that are like selling real estate now. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:53 PM Author: sexy multi-colored brethren orchestra pit Living in Brooklyn must be 180 to see bros from your favorite bands working as bartenders and furniture movers and shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559189) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:43 AM Author: charismatic address digit ratio lmfao
most bands have always made most of their money off merchandise sales on tour |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:46 PM Author: Twinkling lettuce space A band like Belle and Sebastian or Franz Ferdinand or the Shins made enough to support a middle class lifestyle for each bandmate only 10-15 years ago.
Name a comparable group today. They hardly exist. |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:47 PM Author: bisexual trust fund they're all EDM acts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556025) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:02 PM Author: Twinkling lettuce space Yes in part because it's more economically viable. Just one dude and a laptop as opposed to a group of 3-8 dudes, a van, and a bunch of equipment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556097) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:45 PM Author: Confused Arousing Kitchen Coffee Pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559151) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:10 PM Author: comical toilet seat When we were in high school and through most of our 20s there were venues all across the country where small bands like this would play and a couple hundred people would show up even in smaller, lamer cities like Baltimore or Sacramento or Louisville. The headliner might only walk with $300-500 or so from the gate, but they could also sell merch and would usually boost their record sales a bit from touring. Bands like this could earn enough to pay their rent and buy food for years and keep slowly building a following.
I date the collapse of most of these venues to somewhere in the 2008-2012 range where Gen X got too old, the iPhone and the fuck apps launched and ITE happened plus new urbanism taking over everywhere. This period pwn3d various venues with fewer patrons and higher rents and developers cramming more and more strivers into every city and pricing out the younger, less boring people who used to go out to see live music. You take a place like Austin and compare what it was even in 2009 to what it is today and it’s so sad. In 2009 it was mostly Gen Xers still hanging on and getting too old for that shit, but now the night life in the “live music capital of the world” is just 500 places to operate your fuck apps and a few of the old clubs that have the energy of museums. Lol at anyone wanting to see a band in Austin today, other than bands that are playing at a several thousand person venues or doing reunion tours for their old ass fans who got into them in the 90s and 00s. Institutions like Stubb’s have like a few shows a month and the rest of the time it’s just a BBQ restaurant, and those are the few that survived when most died and became generic douchey bar #48539466 that has free arcade games! And craft cocktails! |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:12 PM Author: coiffed coral church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556149) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:15 PM Author: Twinkling lettuce space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556165) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 11:16 PM Author: mind-boggling crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556947) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 11:18 PM Author: Ungodly juggernaut idea he suggested extremely good poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556954) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 11:22 PM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45556977) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:46 AM Author: comical toilet seat I think you mean 1999 when Liberty Lunch closed. I’m talking about literally fucking Antone’s moving to Riverside in 2013 (though admittedly it was already a museum by the late 90s, but see a young Gary Clark Jr. still coming up there when it was still on 5th). And then reopening on 5th in 2015 with a fucking gift shop. One of the low key and wildly underdiscussed scenes in Boyhood is the scene at the Continental Club where Linklater captured all of this perfectly. For people who have loved Austin for 30 years it’s like the town is haunted by the ghosts of its great musical tradition and you can go visit their graves and commune with them but you’re constantly aware that they are long dead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558109) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:50 AM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558129) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:56 AM Author: comical toilet seat Yes Austin is just a dramatic example that I know well. Anyone who knew Austin in the 90s and sees it today is essentially duty bound to hate millennials. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558149) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:06 AM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558179) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:12 AM Author: comical toilet seat Lol no it isn’t. This isn’t even primarily about race and making it that is a surefire way to guarantee it never comes back. But what’s needed is a new type of youth culture with a great set of musicians who are promoting it that rebels against the wokeness speech codes in a way that makes hot young straight people feel excited and horny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558195) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:18 AM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558213) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:32 AM Author: comical toilet seat Those brown kids are perfectly capable of appreciating everything from Black Flag to Sepultura. And as opposed to the ultracucked white soybois their age, they also seem to actually care about having sex with human females. I don’t think they’re the answer but they can certainly play a key role in a new coalition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558516) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:36 AM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558529) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:38 AM Author: coiffed coral church this sounds like wishful thinking tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558536) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:44 AM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558563) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 7:17 AM Author: Adventurous Church Building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45557685) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:22 AM Author: violet fear-inspiring plaza jew there were far too many "bands." every poetic white boy with shaggy hair started a band in the 80s and 90s
the supply finally adjusted for the demand |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:09 PM Author: slap-happy lodge chad lmao no one listens to music anymore
it's for boomers |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 8:44 AM Author: Mustard motley stead pozpig ITT: people that are getting old (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45557861) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:58 PM Author: charismatic address digit ratio titmfcr
ppl talking about "oh if only we'd listen to rock n roll again instead of black music" as if it weren't also a black musical form |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 8:47 AM Author: Costumed Useless Brakes this is exactly backwards, the temporary existence of something called a "music industry" involving things like record companies, ticketmaster, indie bands, is an bizarre historical anomaly that was dependent on a very specific set of technological advances and cultural circumstances. That moment will never occur again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45557871) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:53 AM Author: Excitant home gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558145) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:55 AM Author: comical toilet seat There has since been a massive technological advance—the ability to instanteously distribute music across the globe at effectively zero cost—that should have spurred a huge explosion of new creative energy. But sadly millennials are an aesthetically stunted, boring and social media addicted generation that conceives of music as a means of ironically commenting on their short form video content. I do have hope for Gen Z, though. They seem to be angry and lowkey/permanently depressed in a similar way to how Gen X felt in the mid 80s or so right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558147) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:54 AM Author: coiffed coral church Yeah all that was supposed to remove the barriers lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558387) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:41 AM Author: big bright persian library I don't know, a lot of "pop music" sucked pre-2000 as well. The vast majority in fact. Today the superstars truly stink but with Youtube there is way more opportunity to find extremely good music by no-names who would never have been known in a previous era (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558554) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:45 AM Author: spectacular thirsty dilemma dingle berry This is exactly the wrong insight, although this vision was peddled by internet 1.0 people as they proceeded to destroy culture. What we've actually realized is that, counterintuitively, creativity requires some degree of a monoculture both to participate in and to militate against. This has nothing to do with "millennials." It has everything to do with the enervating force of unconsidered technology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558568) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:01 PM Author: comical toilet seat So your position is that we are too lacking in monoculture today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558965) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:15 PM Author: spectacular thirsty dilemma dingle berry Yes. When everything matters nothing matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559284) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:58 PM Author: comical toilet seat I’m confused how you would describe eg Beyoncé or MCU then. But I think the point you’re making is that youths, millennials or otherwise (though they really were the ones that drove this change), have become much shittier at connoisseurship and that’s largely a consequence of a new set of technologies and platforms that create dumber metrics of success ie views, likes, follows v a rock critic still having the power to tell us that regardless of their sales or streaming numbers Nickelback sucks. Is it fair to hold millennials primarily accountable for this? No, but they still embraced it to a degree that was gross and obnoxious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559520) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 4:00 PM Author: charismatic address digit ratio >that should have spurred a huge explosion of new creative energy
you think there is a dearth of creative output in 2022? Soundcloud, YouTube, TikTok, etc. is FULL of creative output, you're just not finding in on the raDDDio
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:03 AM Author: deep ultramarine therapy principal's office lmao at the pumo ITT flailing around, lashing out, trying to to defend the music industry from the mean shitcons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558416) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:51 AM Author: coiffed coral church multiple pumos appear in these threads saying the same things why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558603) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:25 PM Author: nudist office lol at old poasters confused by the world changing around them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559659) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:48 AM Author: nudist office Completely dead? Coachella, Lollapalooza, etc sell out every year. Taylor Swift will have one of the biggest tours ever and Beyoncé is about to launch her massive world tour. Are you saying you just don’t listen to music anymore? Maybe you’re getting old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558583) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:51 AM Author: coiffed coral church lol Beyoncé (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558606) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:55 AM Author: nudist office Whatever you think of her music, she’ll sell out football stadiums for multiple shows in nearly every major US city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558633) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:59 AM Author: big bright persian library Beyonce has been around since I was in high school. It's like saying the industry is thriving because the Stones are touring again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558643) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:09 PM Author: comical toilet seat CR per Yanagita above. She was born in 81 so Gen X when using the correct definition, plus insanely famous as a teenager and married to arguably the most Gen X music figure other than Cobain, Biggie or 2Pac. Millennials claiming her, Brittany and the boy bands of the late 90s (all born in 81 or earlier) blow past the fact that those acts were produced by the pre Napster/MTVocracy/CDocracy phase of the music industry that Gen X built. They bear more resemblance to Madonna, Prince and Michael Jackson than anything that happened since 2002 when the iPod first launched and all the younger Gen X and Older Millennials first got them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559594) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:20 PM Author: nudist office You also ignored Taylor Swift who is a bigger and younger artist also putting out new music and selling out arenas. The Weeknd, Bad Bunny, BTS, etc. You probably hate or don’t get the appeal but these are all massive tours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559637) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: comical toilet seat Yes these are the artists of millennials.
Taylor Swift ie reheated 90s girlfolk that would’ve sounded totally at home at Lilith Fair except she’s too conventionally attractive, so she would need a nose ring like Jewel. But she’s essentially a thinner less curvy Jewel with even more boring music for 10+ years that sustains her q rating by being a constant source of tabloid and Twitter drama. She eventually hires Swedish producers to make her some generic pop hits bc she wants to ramp up her beef with Katy Perry.
The Weeknd I do enjoy but he’s pretty blatantly just doing MJ and Prince imitations. Starboy is one of the two or three best popsongs of the post Napster era, but you have to give half credit to Daft Punk (who are pre Napster). Also a Max Martin product.
Bad Bunny - ok sure. Admittedly not just reheated Gen X stuff and I am definitely not the demo for it.
BTS - literally Backstreet Boys in yellowface, completely derivative (as were the Backstreet Boys)
You left off: Bieber - same as BTS just totally unoriginal. It’s not an accident that he and Taylor Swift were spawned by YouTube, which is the platform that promotes the lowest common denominator most aggressively, but especially in the late 00s.
Rihanna - an original for sure but mostly a creature of the pre internet power structure.
Drake - did bring an original take/POV on hip hop but it was “max pussification” and in some sense just doing stuff Kanye did first more capably. Also was absolute destroyed by apex predator Gen Xers in wu tang circles when he showed up to Rucker park in a Michael Jackson jacket looking like a leprechaun, so Gen X justifiably dismisses him as a pathetic little bitch.
Kanye - probably the greatest and most original and talented musical artist millennials produced. Also had a massive boost from the same Gen X center of power that launched Rihanna. Was completely consumed and destroyed by Apex millennial succubus and ultimate symbol of everything that’s wrong with post Napster pop culture. Went hilariously crazy when he realized that he had ruined his life. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:53 AM Author: nudist office Hilarious when 50 year old XO poasters declare things “dead” because they don’t leave their basements and don’t have kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45558616) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 12:05 PM Author: coiffed coral church none of that is true about many posters who is making albums or even songs that you remember now or that anyone remembers after a few months? Why do bars play 10-15 yo music w a small # of newer stuff mixed in, a lot of which is 5+ years old? my parents still listened to some popular music at my age and could name some of it |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:23 PM Author: nudist office I don’t know what redneck bars you hang out in and I can’t explain why you can’t remember any new songs vs your parents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559649) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:32 PM Author: coiffed coral church dumb flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559696) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:42 PM Author: Bat shit crazy anal hominid patrolman never understood who actually paid for music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559139) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:43 PM Author: offensive gas station lol cr. cant imagine going to a mass marketed concert to have your view blocked by people holding up cell phones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559143) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:50 PM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559174) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:52 PM Author: offensive gas station still not interested at all but its an improvement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559182) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:57 PM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559212) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:53 PM Author: Boyish orange ladyboy Our society never recovered from the untimely passing of Chief Keef. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559192) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:58 PM Author: idiotic swollen stain corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559216) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:59 PM Author: big bright persian library https://youtu.be/wLpCkuftmJM?t=36 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243596&forum_id=2#45559524) |