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What's best handgun or carbine upgrade from a Taurus G2s?
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:29 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann looking to get a better gun now that i have some skill on this piece of shit lego toy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826099) |
Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:31 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw what do you want it for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826115) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:32 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann either CCW or home/office defense
if carbine might leave in car |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:33 PM Author: Razzle sable mental disorder those are very different use cases (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826126) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:34 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann what would you get for all 3
was thinking of keeping G2s at office and getting a revolver or glock for ccw and carbine jjst looks sick to have in a car or truck |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:33 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw if I was buying a home defense pistol right now, I'd probably be going for a cz sp-01, either that or the glock 17 I have
for ccw I think anybody not carrying a revolver is nuts |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:35 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann was gonna wait for glock 47, just get 17? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826132) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:36 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw I'm against optics on a pistol, but up to you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826139) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:37 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann best ccw revolver? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826145) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:38 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw can't go wrong with a s&w or ruger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826150) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:54 PM Author: olive lay organic girlfriend why revolver for ccw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826220) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:02 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw in my estimation the odds of needing a reload and surviving to that point are almost nonexistent, you literally can't find examples of it happening, meanwhile you can find hundreds and thousands of videos of some dood getting jumped and beat the fuck down, and in a close contact situation your micro 9 is almost certainly going to malfunction, and you are not clearing a jam while getting stomped in the face, so I'd rather have a revolver to shove into some dood's stomach and just pull the trigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826249) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:02 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826255) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:25 PM Author: Bearded den You radically overestimate the odds of a semiautomatic jamming. I've literally done training with sims where you get jumped and have to get rounds off. My Glock hasn't jammed once. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826364) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:26 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw look, you don't get to decide if you're getting beat down or not, you aren't able to pull the gun until you are in serious trouble and in that situation, the opponent will easily be able to challenge you for the gun, real life isn't your set up training where you're specifically trying to not lose a fight, you're losing before a defensive situation starts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826373) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:29 PM Author: Bearded den Reasonable fear for life is typically the standard, and if you're still conscious enough to draw, you can do that just as well with a Walther as you can a snub-nose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826399) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:34 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw except the guy killing you is literally on top of you and sees you doing it and will probably not go along with it, look if I were a cop I'd have a glock, because I'd be pointing it at anybody who threatened me, but you have to consider that you may have already have been beat to fuck before you ever even know you need your gun as a civilian, your advice seems to boil down to "don't get your ass beat and you can still win" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826433) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 6:14 PM Author: Bearded den No, my advice is "you will be able to draw a Glock just as well as a revolver when you're getting your ass beat"
Police are in fights all the time, from which they have to draw their weapons. They carry modern handguns. SOF carry handguns primarily as something to transition to in the event of getting in a fight, such that they are too close to use their primary or it gets taken from them. They carry modern handguns. If drawing the weapon and having it function in a fight were a serious problem, you'd still see revolvers in use some of those places. You don't. You are hyperbolizing the fuck out of some fudd idea you have about semiautos being unreliable when in actual use cases, they work. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 9:10 AM Author: Light Razzmatazz Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45828911) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 10:45 AM Author: Glittery brunch bbw you're ignoring my point entirely, yes with training you can avoid losing a fight badly enough and make use of a semi auto just fine, but to count on being able to do that as a civilian is retarded because you're going to have to have already been beaten to shit before you can even go for the gun, malfunctions absolutely do happen meanwhile no civilian has ever needed a reload, probabilities matter |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:21 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Cr. This tier 1 special forces guy thinks that what works best for him works best for a 46 year old balding lawyer. Lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830581) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:22 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw well with his situational awareness he would have already shot anybody who posed a threat before it happened, so you should probaby listen close (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830586) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 4:15 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams This is also a guy who says he'd rather have a Glock 17 9mm than a S&W .500 Magnum revolver for Kodiak and polar bear defense. Apparently he'll be able to dump the mag before the animal is on top of him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830809) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 11:14 PM Author: Bearded den I said 10mm, you addled fudd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45832737) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 9:13 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams You specifically said that you'd take a G17 over a .454 Casull revolver (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45837247) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 5:31 AM Author: Bearded den No, I said I'd take a Glock 10mm. Dig the poasts back up, go fucking look. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45838427) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:53 AM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Ok, given the choice would you prefer a G17 or a .454 Casull? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45838886) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 2:27 PM Author: Bearded den .454, but I'd take a 10mm over both, hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840302) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 11:21 PM Author: Bearded den this is unintentionally funny, coming from someone who -- based on your poasting -- either hasn't been in a fight before or has just gotten their ass beat so many times they can't fathom not getting their head caved in (but somehow having a revolver instead of a Sig is going to stop that!) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45832781) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 11:19 PM Author: Bearded den There are completely bald 60yo lawyers that can dust my ass in USPSA, not sure what your point is other than that it takes work to make a gun a truly useful tool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45832768) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 9:25 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Absolutely, and for the 90% of gun owners who aren't going to put in the necessary work, a revolver is the best choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45837299) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 2:40 PM Author: Bearded den See poast below. If people aren't going to train, it largely doesn't matter what they use because they won't hit shit anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840368) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 10:57 AM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams What a strange copout. Either train regularly with your firearm or its 100% useless? I've had my ass saved by a revolver and I don't train regularly. I guess I didn't get the message. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45848930) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:14 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Police and military have different needs than a private citizen. The former can be expected to use their weapons offensively, the latter can expect entirely defensive use. Most people aren't going to train with their firearms, and certainly not to the point that they can reliably clear a jam in a high stress situation.
A revolver just works. And a hammerless revolver can be fired from a pocket, which is a huge advantage in some situations because it allows you to fire while your assailant is drawing his weapon. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 11:17 PM Author: Bearded den People who don't train are wasting their time in the first place, and if you're planning to have a gun and never get good with it, revolvers are absolutely CR because it's not like you will be able to use either of them well anyway.
I'm giving advice for people who want to get good with a gun, not people who are planning to buy a gun, never train, and get fucked up regardless of what they're carrying. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Realistically, a 35 year old guy on XO who has never handled a gun isn't suddenly going to start training regularly at the range. Like 95% of gun owners, they're going to buy a gun, take it to the range once or twice, and never fire it again. For the 5% who are willing to train, semi automatics are often the better choice. For women and dudes who will never be anything more than gun noobs, revolvers are the better choice due to their simplicity and reliability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45838937) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:35 AM Author: Glittery brunch bbw which is why your advice is shit because even the people who are willing to brag on the internet about how much they train are 99% full of shit, it is exceptionally rare that someone has more than a basic proficiency, moreover having to "be good" just means you can't get into real trouble, like getting your ass whipped. Obv cr if you're in the military but that's exactly the situation a civilian should be concerned about, some dood just brains you with a brick and starts choking you out while blood runs into your eyes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45839372) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 2:39 PM Author: Bearded den I don't understand what you're trying to say about being good with a gun means you can't get in real trouble.
Every single scenario you come up with where somebody is getting curbstomped is going to have the same outcome regardless of what gun they have lol. If you're in a coma, you can't draw and you die. How the fuck do you think this supports getting a j frame instead of a Walther?
I think you're projecting; I know plenty of dudes who train. Do you have any idea how big practical shooting has gotten? You're certainly correct that more people should train, but none of that is responsive to whether revolvers are better for carry.
The mechanical simplicity of a revolver doesn't result in markedly different operational ease, except in cases of malfunctions which you radically overestimate. Failure to train with either platform will mean you're shit with it, probably can't draw in time for it to save your ass at any sort of close distance, and damn sure won't hit shit at distances farther than 10m. None of that changes based on platform.
Regardless of what you use, you should train with it. But if you have the time and discipline to train, you may as well use a semiauto.
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Date: January 25th, 2023 2:43 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw 10m is an absurd distance to worry about, for starters and I am concerned about actual worst case scenarios, you cannot say with a straight face that some dood sitting on your chest while he pounds you cannot easily cause a ftf in any semi auto, it simply is the case that he can, idk how you can so fully fail to grasp that simple fact |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:00 PM Author: Bearded den I've seen a dude miss paper entirely at 5m with a pistol, so cr that 10m is too far to be worried about. One of the guns he used was a .38, so you'll forgive me for thinking his issue wasn't a lack of revolver.
Explain for me the scenario in which you can draw a gun of any sort with a guy sitting on your chest as he beats your face in. If your gun is already out, explain to me the scenario in which you still have it in your hand, and he's sitting on your chest. Have you ever been in a fight?
You seem concerned with inventing some reality where having a j frame instead of a Glock grants you a magical ability to draw despite getting bricked. Get real lol. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:02 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw uhhhh, the scenario is you manage to pull the gun and jam it into his ribs, are you dense?
and you have to be extra retarded to think a revolver is somehow less mechanically accurate |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:04 PM Author: Bearded den Where are you storing this gun that you can reach it with a guy on your chest?
Dense is you somehow missing that my point was platform is irrelevant if you suck and don't train.
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:06 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw but it isn't, because with a revolver if you can get to it you can get multiple rounds off even from a very bad position, nothing is perfect but all you're getting from your glock 19 is 10 rounds that will never, ever matter for a civilian, training doesn't solve things going to shit on you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840552) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: Bearded den You may have missed my question, so I'll restate it: where are you storing this revolver that you can draw it with a guy on your chest? Inquiring minds want to know.
What you just said is fucking incoherent. - "if you can get to it" in none of the scenarios you keep obsessing over are you going to get to a revolver more or less capably than a semiauto -- you're not getting to either of them. - "you can get multiple rounds off ... 10 rounds will never ever matter" yeah, it won't solve anything to have more rounds for these untrained shooters you're concerned with, who won't be able to hit shit - have you ever been in a fight? Serious question. If you're getting the fuck beat out of you like you seem certain will happen to you, you're probably not getting to a gun anyway. If you'd ever been in a one sided fight, you would immediately know this, but if somebody is on your chest putting their fist through your orbital, you can't fucking think, much less draw. - "training doesn't solve things going to shit on you" cr, people who train regularly with their guns have no survivability advantage over someone who has never fired their gun befo- oh, wait, that's fucking retarded: you can train drawing and creating distance while firing, and you will hit more shots under stress with training. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:27 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw uhhh, my point is when you are unable to draw and create distance you have a better chance, which you inarguably do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840676) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Bearded den how exactly does one use a revolver that you can't access?
I noticed you again failed to respond to almost all of my poast, I'm sure you have lots of convincing counterwarrants you're saving though! |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:30 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw the create distance part was the essential bit, obviously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840685) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:32 PM Author: Bearded den interesting that you thought that was the more pertinent issue, and not that the gun is entirely inaccessible in all of the scenarios you're mentioning lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840696) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:34 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw it's certainly not easily accessible, but entirely is just you making shit up, like how you'll go all mall ninja on the guy and "create distance" while you are totally in reasonable fear for your life, because legal standards matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840705) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 10:13 AM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams How about the scenario where you limp wrist the firearm and it jams? How about the scenario where the slide contacts clothing and it jams? Where the ejection port is blocked? There are countless videos of semi automatics jamming. It happens far more than you think, especially to people who don't train regularly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45848696) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: Bearded den I've never once had a problem with limp wristing, but it's very easy for someone to fix if they do.
"contacts clothing" I have magduumped a Sig from inside a hoodie pocket and it didn't jam, you're being hyperbolic here.
"[what if] the ejection port is blocked?" incredibly rare scenario here, which I'll counter with an equally rare scenario: what if they need to return fire against an active shooter and they need more than six rounds? (I say this to illustrate that we can both pull out statistically near-impossible scenarios to defend something unrealistic.)
"countless videos" if you can link me to multiple videos of a guy dying because his semiauto jammed, I will flat concede that revolvers are better for people who don't regularly train. I'm asking in good faith, because to my knowledge this is not common at all.
I'd also be interested in footage of a gunfight where the ejection port was entirely covered, inducing a malfunction. |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:30 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw lol, you really don't think that something touching the slide can and does cause malfunctions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849445) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:46 PM Author: Bearded den At this point, I'm not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse because you can't argue, or you're actually dense enough to miss what I'm saying (which is that you fudds are radically overestimating the likelihood and severity of these problems). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849540) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:50 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw which you are basing on what? a statistical analysis of nothing? And recall, we're comparing this risk to the risk of shooting 12 times and still needing to shoot some more. One of those things may have never happened (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849561) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:56 PM Author: Bearded den A lot more reps training trying to get a gun out while getting jumped than you've spent shooting at all. Half of our shoothouse work is just combatives and transitioning to a secondary weapon. Malfunctions are so much less common than you people think. The biggest takeaway for me has been that gun matters far less than training, especially under stress.
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:01 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw so back to "just don't get your ass whipped" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849610) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:31 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams I can link hundreds of videos of a gun jamming. It happens all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849453) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:38 PM Author: Bearded den Not what I asked, read it again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849505) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:33 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams What type of gun do you recommend for someone who isn't going to train with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849710) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:22 PM Author: Bearded den this revolver fixation is silly fudd shit, as I've told you before. I don't intend to try to change your mind, but the guy you're talking to should know that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826347) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:23 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw no, this micro 9 fixation is some mall ninja shit, nobody has ever fired 12 rounds in public, reloaded, and then kept fighting, it's just imaginary
I get it, more is better, but the odds of you just getting your ass kicked are astronomically higher than of being in a gun fight with multiple armed opponents |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:28 PM Author: Bearded den I agree getting jumped is more likely than a gunfight with the cartel; a semiauto is nonetheless a far better tool to address that.
And I'm not recommending anyone get a micro, to be clear -- micros/subcompacts largely suck. Just get a compact (Glock 19 sized) pistol and carry that. Way easier to shoot accurately and manipulate when under stress or in a fight. Micros are not the move, and if you need something that small, I'd pick a revolver too unless you are already a good shot. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:35 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw I think the chances of being in contact with your aggressor are high enough that you can't count on him not being able to touch your gun, which is all it takes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826442) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:35 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams False. All it takes is a limp wrist to cause jams. I've seen my mother jam a Glock 29 10mm, a Springfield XD9 9mm, and a Sig P250 .380 because of her weak grip. We finally replaced her semi auto with a revolver with critical Defense lite .38 special loads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830632) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:37 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw I didn't say that was the only thing, and yes getting a bad draw and limpwristing or getting so much slide bite you cause a fte or ftf is a real issue too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830645) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:46 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Cr. There are so many things that can cause a semi auto to jam. They're all unlikely, but it's infinitely more likely that your semi automatic jams as a result of poor form or environmental contact than it is that your revolver runs out of ammo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830692) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 10:59 PM Author: olive lay organic girlfriend i'm aware that conventional wisdom says not to cc a revolver but i'm glad he laid out his reasoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45827779) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:47 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams The conventional wisdom does not say not to ccw a revolver. That's retarded, sir. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830696) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:11 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Cr. Revolver is far and away the superior choice for defensive concealed carry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830538) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:39 PM Author: Cerise Aromatic Dysfunction sounds like you're finally ready for the taurus G3. welcome home, fellow bullrider. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826159) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:40 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann G3X looks cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826170) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:15 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Taurus g4x is cooler. High capacity ultracompact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849353) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:24 PM Author: Bearded den Dude, you can't be serious
Taurus is garbage and I would literally rather someone buy a revolver lmfao
Get a quality pistol -- CZ, Sig, Walther, HK, Glock, S&W M&P 2.0 -- not a Taurus |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:21 PM Author: Bearded den Budget for each?
Generally: - for CCW, get a compact striker fired pistol from Glock, Smith & Wesson (get an M&P 2.0, not a fucking Shield; shields are pieces of shit), CZ, HK, Walther, Shadow Systems, or Sig. All work reliably, it's a matter of preference at this point. - for home defense, if you need something with range (e.g. you live somewhere other than a suburb, either rural or very urban), get an AR-15 from this list (ranked in order of quality, and therefore roughly by descending expense): http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4586578&mc=160&forum_id=2#41143621 - if you live in a suburb, look at a pistol caliber carbine -- that is, an AR chambered in 9mm. Any of the companies I list at that link are fine.
For a wide variety of uses, get a pistol and an AR with a berrel length between 11.5" and 14.5" with a decent optic (holosun 510 reflex is an affordable option with pretty good quality), a light (non-negotiable; inforce wml, cloud defense, modlite, surefire are all good buys) and an adjustable sling (Ferro, VTAC).
Get mags, get Adaptive Rifle and Practical Shooting Training, both by Ben Stoeger, dryfire consistently every day, and you'll start to get good. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:29 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann 1 fucking 80
rate me as a early 2000 WW or LHW champion |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:31 PM Author: Bearded den Matt Hughes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826413) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:32 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann a top 5 WW all time just on title defenses alone ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826417) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:33 PM Author: Bearded den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826419) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 12:16 AM Author: Soul-stirring dark hunting ground half-breed Is this Hughes before or after his accident? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45828133) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 12:30 AM Author: Bearded den Both; rating based on whole career in perspective, not based on peaks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45828184) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 12:35 AM Author: Light Razzmatazz Travel Guidebook What about a PSA Dagger Compact? Just found a great shot show deal for one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45828208) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 12:48 AM Author: Bearded den That's in a price bracket lower than the ones I listed, but if you get one of PSA's deals on one, you can't beat them for the price. And if you're going to buy cheap, PSA is the way to go because they have 180 customer service and a good warranty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45828239) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 4:01 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45828570) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 3:23 PM Author: Light Razzmatazz Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830589) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Jesus Christ. Under what scenarios do you see home defense requiring range? Your advice consistently overestimates the average joe's willingness to train. Do tell, how is a homeowner going to defend his property at medium to long range without being charged with murder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849372) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 4:10 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams S&W 340PD is ideal for concealed carry. It's dead simple and completely reliable. It's hammerless and can be fired from a pocket, meaning that you don't have to escalate a tense situation by drawing your weapon, but you've still got the drop on your assailant if it comes down to it.
Revolvers are best choice for most people when it comes to concealed carry. You may be asking "But what about capacity?!" It's not capacity you should be concerned with, it's reliability. Jams can and do happen, especially in high stress, dynamic situations, and unless you're training regularly, you're not going to have the muscle memory to reliably clear the jam and chamber the next round. A revolver works every time. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 4:52 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Aphrodisiac Boltzmann Ty
Edit: reading comp |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:17 PM Author: fighting range rigpig Federal agencies have spent billions researching this stuff and nobody employed by the govt uses a revolver. If you were correct then we'd be issuing revolvers to every military grunt as their sidearm instead of a Glock/Sig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840616) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:22 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw they value offensive capability, a civilian does not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840645) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:28 PM Author: Bearded den cr, civilians win gunfights without any offensive actions like killing the people attacking them
Using a gun is literally the definition of "the best defense is a good offense" hth |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:30 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw enjoy prison dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840687) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:36 PM Author: Bearded den Yeah, if this thread has shown anything, it's that people who use guns for a living have no idea what they're doing, and that the MFE on this subject is a guy who thinks you can draw a gun with somebody on your chest pummeling you, or that carrying a revolver renders you immune to getting bricked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840713) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw no, but people who use guns for a living don't have to wait to draw them, which is a pretty big deal, but I'm sure you'll be able to explain to a jury how you were able to repel your attacker, step back several paces and then put 15 rounds in him and it was totally cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840726) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 6:29 PM Author: fighting range rigpig Every single pro draws from a holster my dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45841701) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:14 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Actually, yeah. You're unwilling to accept the fact that most people aren't training regularly. Your advice consistently assumes that homeowners and civilians have the same needs and training regimen as special forces, which is completely retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849348) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:28 PM Author: Bearded den "same training as SF" fuck no dude, but you can dryfire 15 minutes a day and go to the range once Avery week (or two weeks if you're really pressed for ammo) and get pretty good within a year.
I also think that there's more overlap between their needs than you think, because basically the only times SOF guys use pistols is when they're in a fight and can't get to their carbine. There's significant overlap between that and a lot of scenarios for civilian defensive gun usage.
That said, if this is what you took away from my poasts, I'm not sure that me trying to spell it out more clearly is gonna help. |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:33 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Lmao holy fucking shit. Do you know what percentage of gun owners dru fire for 15 minutes a day and go to the range once per week? It's less than 1 in 500, I can 100% guarantee you of that.
What do you recommend for the gun owners who will go to the range once and then never practice with their gun again? |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:51 PM Author: Bearded den Cr, not very many. That's an incredibly accessible benchmark though, and my point is that you're trying to make excuses for people who choose to suck by recommending an inferior platform, when they could just use a better one and get good with very little cost.
I recommend they fucking train instead of pretending they'll be able to do anything useful under stress with a gun they've never trained with (regardless of platform. |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:08 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams Military and police have different needs than the average guy off the street. The average guy off the street will use his firearm entirely defensively, while police and military use firearms offensively. Further, military and police train regularly to develop and maintain the necessary muscle memory to unholster from a level 3 retention holster, disengage safety, and clear jams. They're totally different use cases. For gun owners who are not going to train regularly - i.e. the majority - a revolver is the better choice due to their reliability and simplicity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849319) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:34 PM Author: Bearded den Actually, there's ample evidence that police undertrain.
A significant number of police shootings are defensive -- think attempting to restrain a suspect who then pulls a knife or gun, or a traffic stop where they get drawn on. Those have plenty of overlap with DGUs.
It's much easier to train to clear malfunction than I think you realize. Drill that shit with dummy rounds for a week and you'll have it pretty good, even under stress.
Most modern striker fired handguns, like those I mentioned, don't have safeties other than a trigger safety.
As an aside, no one needs level 3 retention lmao, you're gonna be fine with passive retention unless you're low crawling for 50m and then sprinting through thick brush.
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:37 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw lol, you're so disingenuous itt, your response to every downside is "just train more and that won't happen" the question is, what are you left with when you fail and bad stuff is happening to you right now, in that case a revolver is definitely at an advantage, which is why to this day a shit ton of cops carry one as back up, because they know damn well they might be on the floor wrestling with their gun |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:00 PM Author: fighting range rigpig You also think it's a good idea to shoot people through your pants pocket though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850212) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:21 PM Author: Pearl provocative stead useless brakes hank_scorpio is the epitome of risk adverse bald lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849386) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:31 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw *guy carrying 30 rounds of ammo on him at all times* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849452) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:36 PM Author: Pearl provocative stead useless brakes *boomer carrying snub nose 357 mag revolver* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849722) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:37 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw a simple tool for a simple job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849732) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Bearded den carried by a simple man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850149) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 4:08 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw yes, simplicity is actually a really positive quality in this case bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850532) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:57 PM Author: Bearded den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849591) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:31 PM Author: coral ungodly whorehouse laser beams How often are you training with your gun, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849708) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:38 PM Author: Maroon Knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849741) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:34 PM Author: yapping brass mexican Gun threads suck imo, they’re the biggest flame fests (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849713) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:35 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw mostly correct, hegemon is definitely a bit flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849716) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:37 PM Author: Pearl provocative stead useless brakes he has no combat experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849730) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 1:39 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw he trained against a guy who couldn't actually hurt him though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849744) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:51 PM Author: Bearded den Given your reading comp itt, more likely the flame here is that you're a lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850152) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:26 PM Author: Glittery brunch bbw the most likely flame is your whole life is larping for something you'll never do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850327) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:27 PM Author: Pearl provocative stead useless brakes lol cr. Abdul the goat herder has more combat experience. Private Ivan Nurkowitz from Russia has more combat experience (and more kills) than hegemon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850332) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:53 PM Author: garnet supple ticket booth After reading this thread, I'm glad I went with a revolver. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850172) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:03 PM Author: Pearl provocative stead useless brakes (risk adverse bald lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850228) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: fighting range rigpig Hope you got armor plated walls and body armor for your loved ones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45850383) |