What's best handgun or carbine upgrade from a Taurus G2s?
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Date: January 25th, 2023 2:39 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
I don't understand what you're trying to say about being good with a gun means you can't get in real trouble.
Every single scenario you come up with where somebody is getting curbstomped is going to have the same outcome regardless of what gun they have lol. If you're in a coma, you can't draw and you die. How the fuck do you think this supports getting a j frame instead of a Walther?
I think you're projecting; I know plenty of dudes who train. Do you have any idea how big practical shooting has gotten? You're certainly correct that more people should train, but none of that is responsive to whether revolvers are better for carry.
The mechanical simplicity of a revolver doesn't result in markedly different operational ease, except in cases of malfunctions which you radically overestimate. Failure to train with either platform will mean you're shit with it, probably can't draw in time for it to save your ass at any sort of close distance, and damn sure won't hit shit at distances farther than 10m. None of that changes based on platform.
Regardless of what you use, you should train with it. But if you have the time and discipline to train, you may as well use a semiauto.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840361)
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:00 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
I've seen a dude miss paper entirely at 5m with a pistol, so cr that 10m is too far to be worried about. One of the guns he used was a .38, so you'll forgive me for thinking his issue wasn't a lack of revolver.
Explain for me the scenario in which you can draw a gun of any sort with a guy sitting on your chest as he beats your face in. If your gun is already out, explain to me the scenario in which you still have it in your hand, and he's sitting on your chest. Have you ever been in a fight?
You seem concerned with inventing some reality where having a j frame instead of a Glock grants you a magical ability to draw despite getting bricked. Get real lol.
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:04 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
Where are you storing this gun that you can reach it with a guy on your chest?
Dense is you somehow missing that my point was platform is irrelevant if you suck and don't train.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840545)
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
You may have missed my question, so I'll restate it: where are you storing this revolver that you can draw it with a guy on your chest? Inquiring minds want to know.
What you just said is fucking incoherent.
- "if you can get to it" in none of the scenarios you keep obsessing over are you going to get to a revolver more or less capably than a semiauto -- you're not getting to either of them.
- "you can get multiple rounds off ... 10 rounds will never ever matter" yeah, it won't solve anything to have more rounds for these untrained shooters you're concerned with, who won't be able to hit shit
- have you ever been in a fight? Serious question. If you're getting the fuck beat out of you like you seem certain will happen to you, you're probably not getting to a gun anyway. If you'd ever been in a one sided fight, you would immediately know this, but if somebody is on your chest putting their fist through your orbital, you can't fucking think, much less draw.
- "training doesn't solve things going to shit on you" cr, people who train regularly with their guns have no survivability advantage over someone who has never fired their gun befo- oh, wait, that's fucking retarded: you can train drawing and creating distance while firing, and you will hit more shots under stress with training.
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
I've never once had a problem with limp wristing, but it's very easy for someone to fix if they do.
"contacts clothing" I have magduumped a Sig from inside a hoodie pocket and it didn't jam, you're being hyperbolic here.
"[what if] the ejection port is blocked?" incredibly rare scenario here, which I'll counter with an equally rare scenario: what if they need to return fire against an active shooter and they need more than six rounds? (I say this to illustrate that we can both pull out statistically near-impossible scenarios to defend something unrealistic.)
"countless videos" if you can link me to multiple videos of a guy dying because his semiauto jammed, I will flat concede that revolvers are better for people who don't regularly train. I'm asking in good faith, because to my knowledge this is not common at all.
I'd also be interested in footage of a gunfight where the ejection port was entirely covered, inducing a malfunction.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849377) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:56 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
A lot more reps training trying to get a gun out while getting jumped than you've spent shooting at all. Half of our shoothouse work is just combatives and transitioning to a secondary weapon. Malfunctions are so much less common than you people think. The biggest takeaway for me has been that gun matters far less than training, especially under stress.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849588)
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:24 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
Dude, you can't be serious
Taurus is garbage and I would literally rather someone buy a revolver lmfao
Get a quality pistol -- CZ, Sig, Walther, HK, Glock, S&W M&P 2.0 -- not a Taurus
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849400) |
Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:21 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
Budget for each?
Generally:
- for CCW, get a compact striker fired pistol from Glock, Smith & Wesson (get an M&P 2.0, not a fucking Shield; shields are pieces of shit), CZ, HK, Walther, Shadow Systems, or Sig. All work reliably, it's a matter of preference at this point.
- for home defense, if you need something with range (e.g. you live somewhere other than a suburb, either rural or very urban), get an AR-15 from this list (ranked in order of quality, and therefore roughly by descending expense): http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4586578&mc=160&forum_id=2#41143621
- if you live in a suburb, look at a pistol caliber carbine -- that is, an AR chambered in 9mm. Any of the companies I list at that link are fine.
For a wide variety of uses, get a pistol and an AR with a berrel length between 11.5" and 14.5" with a decent optic (holosun 510 reflex is an affordable option with pretty good quality), a light (non-negotiable; inforce wml, cloud defense, modlite, surefire are all good buys) and an adjustable sling (Ferro, VTAC).
Get mags, get Adaptive Rifle and Practical Shooting Training, both by Ben Stoeger, dryfire consistently every day, and you'll start to get good.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826341) |
Date: January 23rd, 2023 4:10 PM Author: Submissive prole coldplay fan
S&W 340PD is ideal for concealed carry. It's dead simple and completely reliable. It's hammerless and can be fired from a pocket, meaning that you don't have to escalate a tense situation by drawing your weapon, but you've still got the drop on your assailant if it comes down to it.
Revolvers are best choice for most people when it comes to concealed carry. You may be asking "But what about capacity?!" It's not capacity you should be concerned with, it's reliability. Jams can and do happen, especially in high stress, dynamic situations, and unless you're training regularly, you're not going to have the muscle memory to reliably clear the jam and chamber the next round. A revolver works every time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830771) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:28 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
"same training as SF" fuck no dude, but you can dryfire 15 minutes a day and go to the range once Avery week (or two weeks if you're really pressed for ammo) and get pretty good within a year.
I also think that there's more overlap between their needs than you think, because basically the only times SOF guys use pistols is when they're in a fight and can't get to their carbine. There's significant overlap between that and a lot of scenarios for civilian defensive gun usage.
That said, if this is what you took away from my poasts, I'm not sure that me trying to spell it out more clearly is gonna help.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849421) |
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Date: January 27th, 2023 12:34 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged kitty
Actually, there's ample evidence that police undertrain.
A significant number of police shootings are defensive -- think attempting to restrain a suspect who then pulls a knife or gun, or a traffic stop where they get drawn on. Those have plenty of overlap with DGUs.
It's much easier to train to clear malfunction than I think you realize. Drill that shit with dummy rounds for a week and you'll have it pretty good, even under stress.
Most modern striker fired handguns, like those I mentioned, don't have safeties other than a trigger safety.
As an aside, no one needs level 3 retention lmao, you're gonna be fine with passive retention unless you're low crawling for 50m and then sprinting through thick brush.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849486)
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