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Did this app match flake on me?

She's a nurse and a doula (someone who helps women deliver b...
Salmon charismatic school milk
  03/16/23
she 100% lied both times
Rough-skinned range chad
  03/16/23
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mind-boggling chocolate hospital
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brindle den affirmative action
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Slap-happy electric chapel
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violet center brethren
  03/17/23
CR. She met another guy and is keeping him on the back burne...
multi-colored mexican puppy
  03/17/23
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zombie-like cruise ship
  03/17/23
Been here done that a lot 1. I'm usually of the opinion t...
irradiated chartreuse set
  03/16/23
lol
impressive contagious parlour
  03/16/23
shes lying
aphrodisiac tattoo
  03/16/23
we're not talking about doodikoff here
impressive contagious parlour
  03/16/23
the "appeal to emotion" with the patient dying is ...
aphrodisiac tattoo
  03/16/23
OP is entering Doodikoff land
cerebral sable masturbator spot
  07/12/23
She works as a nurse and doula so shit like this is not unco...
Salmon charismatic school milk
  03/16/23
right. im not saying be a dick about it. just saying shes ly...
aphrodisiac tattoo
  03/16/23
Why do you think she's lying? Pretty elaborate and dramatic ...
Salmon charismatic school milk
  03/16/23
it mightve actually happened. in fact it probably did. thats...
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  03/16/23
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disturbing generalized bond
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Painfully Honest Market
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zombie-like cruise ship
  03/17/23
Why not just respond: “Wow sorry to hear that. My de...
Stimulating fear-inspiring pervert black woman
  03/17/23
this is right and he will never hear from her again
Indigo space
  03/17/23
If these things really did happen, makes total sense for her...
Bull headed lake gaming laptop double fault
  03/17/23
Cmon man
mind-boggling chocolate hospital
  03/17/23
This is cucky as fuck you don’t put the ball in a woma...
glittery dysfunction
  03/17/23
she flaked twice though. if her excuse was just a ruse, then...
violet center brethren
  03/17/23
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Painfully Honest Market
  03/17/23
As opposed to what? Following up repeatedly? LOL. If yo...
Stimulating fear-inspiring pervert black woman
  03/17/23
Way too simpy imo. He should just respond something like sor...
mind-boggling chocolate hospital
  03/17/23
cr. no need to be nasty or ignore. just send a nice message ...
violet center brethren
  03/17/23
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Painfully Honest Market
  03/17/23
The clear answer here is to at least pretend to buy her excu...
glittery dysfunction
  03/17/23
titcr
Crimson Domesticated Selfie
  03/17/23
Most women don’t like online dating and just use it fo...
mind-boggling chocolate hospital
  03/17/23
Dating apps are easily the most common way for couples to me...
Bull headed lake gaming laptop double fault
  03/17/23
Source? But regardless that’s not persuasive for a n...
mind-boggling chocolate hospital
  03/17/23
i dated a midwife for a year and this shit happened frequent...
Soul-stirring hall
  03/17/23
especially the 2nd time. this bitch doesn't owe OP anything,...
violet center brethren
  03/17/23
So she either lied or made no indication that she'd like to ...
Blue odious corn cake
  03/17/23
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violet center brethren
  03/17/23
you busted me motherfucker!
irradiated chartreuse set
  03/17/23
you need serious help
Blue odious corn cake
  03/17/23
If she cancels because she has to wash her hair you know it'...
Maroon liquid oxygen
  03/17/23
If she cancels and doesn’t try to reschedule immediate...
Misanthropic Location Therapy
  03/17/23
Lol
insanely creepy medicated stock car fanboi
  03/17/23
OTOH, if you hurl on her shoes and she doesn't bolt, then yo...
Maroon liquid oxygen
  03/17/23
Doulas/midwifes are all crackpots, cut from the same cloth a...
Fuchsia Community Account Principal's Office
  03/17/23
OP here. This is what she wrote in her text. "Hey X...
Salmon charismatic school milk
  03/17/23
LOL "thank"
Dull stead half-breed
  03/17/23
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mind-boggling chocolate hospital
  03/18/23
hey there! just have an patients dying tonight haha? if not ...
Soul-stirring hall
  03/18/23
.....lol
Light Jewess School Cafeteria
  03/18/23
Yeah move on
irradiated chartreuse set
  03/19/23
Lmao @ the general proposition of using an exclamation point...
confused bisexual temple rigor
  03/19/23
Sorry to hear that!
Painfully Honest Market
  03/20/23
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mind-boggling chocolate hospital
  03/20/23
I use them in emails to women and it makes my life easier.
cerebral sable masturbator spot
  07/12/23
You should have shown more empathy. Your response would have...
violet center brethren
  03/19/23
“Well I’m dying to meet up with you haha”
Misanthropic Location Therapy
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cerebral sable masturbator spot
  07/12/23
laughed so hard at the “thanks”
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  03/19/23
lol
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  03/18/23


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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:43 PM
Author: Salmon charismatic school milk

She's a nurse and a doula (someone who helps women deliver babies). We matched on Hinge. A few weeks ago, on the day of our first date, she texted me and said she has to cancel because a client's baby delivery was earlier than expected. Ok fine. So we rescheduled for today. Then ,this morning, she texted me and said she was terribly sorry to cancel again because a patient of hers with whom she was close with, passed away. She's processing a lot and doesn't feel as though she can show up to the date as her best self.

Shit happens in life but the odds of both of these things happening on the days of the scheduled dates seems pretty low. Am I being too cynical?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060964)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:47 PM
Author: Rough-skinned range chad

she 100% lied both times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060968)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:55 PM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060993)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 6:04 PM
Author: brindle den affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46061036)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:33 AM
Author: Slap-happy electric chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063216)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:42 AM
Author: violet center brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063377)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:36 PM
Author: multi-colored mexican puppy

CR. She met another guy and is keeping him on the back burner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066733)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:48 PM
Author: zombie-like cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066774)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:47 PM
Author: irradiated chartreuse set

Been here done that a lot

1. I'm usually of the opinion that if someone bails twice, its almost certainly a lost cause. There are exceptions, but if nothing else to go by its not looking good

2. Did she suggest any future dates on her second cancelation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060969)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:52 PM
Author: impressive contagious parlour

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060977)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:49 PM
Author: aphrodisiac tattoo

shes lying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060973)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:53 PM
Author: impressive contagious parlour

we're not talking about doodikoff here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060978)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 5:54 PM
Author: aphrodisiac tattoo

the "appeal to emotion" with the patient dying is complete bs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46060987)



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Date: July 12th, 2023 9:46 PM
Author: cerebral sable masturbator spot

OP is entering Doodikoff land

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46541244)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 6:02 PM
Author: Salmon charismatic school milk

She works as a nurse and doula so shit like this is not uncommon in her job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46061027)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 6:05 PM
Author: aphrodisiac tattoo

right. im not saying be a dick about it. just saying shes lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46061040)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 6:31 PM
Author: Salmon charismatic school milk

Why do you think she's lying? Pretty elaborate and dramatic for a lie, as opposed to just canceling because she's not feeling well or because she's too busy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46061174)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 6:32 PM
Author: aphrodisiac tattoo

it mightve actually happened. in fact it probably did. thats what inspired the lie. but at the end of the day she simply doesnt want to go. she prefers you fawning over her through her phone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46061183)



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Date: March 16th, 2023 6:41 PM
Author: disturbing generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46061232)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:19 AM
Author: Bull headed lake gaming laptop double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063210)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:32 AM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063360)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:34 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065966)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: zombie-like cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066783)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:26 AM
Author: Stimulating fear-inspiring pervert black woman

Why not just respond: “Wow sorry to hear that. My deepest condolences. Happy to give you the space you need and if you eventually want to reschedule reach out. Until then, I hope you feel better soon.”

Than the ball’s in her court. You go about your life and if she’s really interested she can make a move instead of your wringing your hands about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063211)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:30 AM
Author: Indigo space

this is right

and he will never hear from her again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063214)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:33 AM
Author: Bull headed lake gaming laptop double fault

If these things really did happen, makes total sense for her to cancel. Doubtful that she made it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063217)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:35 AM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital

Cmon man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063367)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:39 AM
Author: glittery dysfunction

This is cucky as fuck you don’t put the ball in a woman’s court. You’re the man take charge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063224)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:54 AM
Author: violet center brethren

she flaked twice though. if her excuse was just a ruse, then they likely just won't talk again. if it was a bona fide excuse, she'll feel apologetic and be eager to reschedule.

IMO, it'd be more cucky for OP to be like "PLEASE LET ME TAKE YOU OUT TO DINNER ASAP!" after getting flaked on twice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063390)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:34 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065967)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:49 PM
Author: Stimulating fear-inspiring pervert black woman

As opposed to what? Following up repeatedly? LOL.

If your point is he should just ghost her I’m totally with you there. But I’m getting the vibe from OP that he’s unusually wrapped up in this and so I assume he intends to respond back with something. Of the non-ghosting options I think it’s better to make her reach out (or otherwise you move on) than continue to try to set something up like a cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066780)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:33 AM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital

Way too simpy imo. He should just respond something like sorry to hear that. None of the other crap after. Then just ignore and move on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063362)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:42 AM
Author: violet center brethren

cr. no need to be nasty or ignore. just send a nice message and have no expectations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063374)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:34 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065969)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:38 AM
Author: glittery dysfunction

The clear answer here is to at least pretend to buy her excuse, not mind then suggest other plans and jam the throttle through the stops and push hard for nudes. If she sends you naked pictures she will prob come to the new date you set and fuck you, if no pics forget her. Soo CR 👍🏻.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063223)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 3:55 PM
Author: Crimson Domesticated Selfie

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065460)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:34 AM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital

Most women don’t like online dating and just use it for validation, they don’t actually want to meet someone that way. You should just start talking to women IRL. Try to meet someone at church or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063365)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:01 PM
Author: Bull headed lake gaming laptop double fault

Dating apps are easily the most common way for couples to meet. So you're clearly wrong on that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065782)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:15 PM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital

Source?

But regardless that’s not persuasive for a number of reasons. First, this depends on geographic area. Second, I highly doubt that’s true for all couples across all generations, and even for younger generations I suspect it is questionable. And are you referring to couples who are together for a long period of time, married, etc? Third, I don’t believe the majority of current marriages meet on apps. Fourth, even if it is common, it doesn’t change the fact that women don’t really like it instinctively and would prefer to meet in person. And l you want to do what these normal NPCs do anyway. Pretty much all desirable men know that they have to date down on apps most of the time, though this depends on region.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065849)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:38 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hall

i dated a midwife for a year and this shit happened frequently, so i buy the excuse.

you can tell if an excuse is real by how enthusiastic they are to set up another date. if she is apologetic and suggesting new ideas, the excuse is real. if she's just like "sorry, i have to cancel." and doesn't say anything after, she is just trying to let you down easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063371)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:43 AM
Author: violet center brethren

especially the 2nd time. this bitch doesn't owe OP anything, so if she doesn't want to meet, it'd be very easy to just ghost his punk ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063379)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:50 AM
Author: Blue odious corn cake

So she either lied or made no indication that she'd like to see you. Which of these options make you interested?

Op/Doodikoff, just FedEx her a croissant and save your time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063388)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:54 AM
Author: violet center brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46063392)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 4:02 PM
Author: irradiated chartreuse set

you busted me motherfucker!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065494)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:10 PM
Author: Blue odious corn cake

you need serious help

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065822)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 4:47 PM
Author: Maroon liquid oxygen

If she cancels because she has to wash her hair you know it's not meant to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065692)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:12 PM
Author: Misanthropic Location Therapy

If she cancels and doesn’t try to reschedule immediately she found something incrementally better. That’s how it works. Apps exist solely to add jet fuel to female looks/height-based hypergamy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065834)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 5:13 PM
Author: insanely creepy medicated stock car fanboi

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46065837)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:32 PM
Author: Maroon liquid oxygen

OTOH, if you hurl on her shoes and she doesn't bolt, then you know it was meant to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066715)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 8:45 PM
Author: Fuchsia Community Account Principal's Office

Doulas/midwifes are all crackpots, cut from the same cloth as chiros

I wouldn't have even bothered making a date in the first place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066760)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 9:28 PM
Author: Salmon charismatic school milk

OP here. This is what she wrote in her text.

"Hey XXX, I am so sorry to do this for a second time but one of my patients with whom I'm very close is passing away. I am processing a lot and don't feel as thought I can show up as my best self for a date tonight."

My response: "Sorry to hear that! Let me know if you want to to reschedule and for what date. Thanks."

No response from her. This was sent yesterday at around noon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066986)



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Date: March 17th, 2023 9:32 PM
Author: Dull stead half-breed

LOL

"thank"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46066996)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:00 PM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46069493)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:14 PM
Author: Soul-stirring hall

hey there! just have an patients dying tonight haha? if not we should grab that drink haha.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46069530)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:17 PM
Author: Light Jewess School Cafeteria

.....lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46069536)



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Date: March 19th, 2023 7:45 PM
Author: irradiated chartreuse set

Yeah move on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46072973)



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Date: March 19th, 2023 8:16 PM
Author: confused bisexual temple rigor

Lmao @ the general proposition of using an exclamation point as a man and even moreso in response to learning about a dying patient. Jfc, you're done here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46073030)



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Date: March 20th, 2023 6:26 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Market

Sorry to hear that!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46074282)



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Date: March 20th, 2023 8:43 AM
Author: mind-boggling chocolate hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46074504)



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Date: July 12th, 2023 9:46 PM
Author: cerebral sable masturbator spot

I use them in emails to women and it makes my life easier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46541239)



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Date: March 19th, 2023 8:17 PM
Author: violet center brethren

You should have shown more empathy. Your response would have been appropriate for a flat tire or sprained ankle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46073033)



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Date: March 19th, 2023 10:47 PM
Author: Misanthropic Location Therapy

“Well I’m dying to meet up with you haha”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46073529)



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Date: March 19th, 2023 10:49 PM
Author: autistic field windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46073539)



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Date: March 19th, 2023 10:55 PM
Author: jet locus skinny woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46073570)



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Date: March 20th, 2023 6:20 AM
Author: Blue odious corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46074277)



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Date: March 20th, 2023 6:26 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46074280)



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Date: March 20th, 2023 7:27 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5307806&forum_id=2#46074368)



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Date: March 20th, 2023 9:08 AM
Author: Bright Station Blood Rage



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Date: July 12th, 2023 9:42 PM
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Date: March 19th, 2023 10:54 PM
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Date: March 18th, 2023 6:57 PM
Author: Bull headed lake gaming laptop double fault

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