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Hypo: Chess against Magnus Carlsen but your pieces are invisible
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:42 PM Author: Mahogany Jew Water Buffalo He does not see your hand moving them, nor your pieces themselves, but he may learn of their identity and whereabouts after they take his pieces or he takes them. He would need to ascertain "that was a knight which just struck me".
You see the whole board, due to special glasses. He is just told "a move was made" and which, if any, of his pieces was taken. Likewise, when he captures your piece, he is told which piece it was.
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:48 PM Author: Fragrant twinkling uncleanness Probably not, but I like this hypo. Well done, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079603) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:57 PM Author: vigorous bistre gay wizard orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079642) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:14 PM Author: mind-boggling startling point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080405) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:56 PM Author: excitant aggressive stock car Would be more interesting if he could see your hand move a piece but not the board layout. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079639) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:03 PM Author: Stirring Medicated Sweet Tailpipe Chapel i assume he can mentally picture the entire board effortlessly at any given point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079666) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Stimulating sienna knife This would be orders of magnitude easier. Each unique piece has a predetermined type of movement it can make which is easily identifiable - the only difficulty I can foresee would be identifying the Queen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079674) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:34 PM Author: excitant aggressive stock car I think that it would be impossible to track the pieces after 10 moves and maybe fewer. The permutations quickly go into the millions and then billions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079785) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:38 PM Author: appetizing legal warrant death wish No, blind chess is a thing. This is like next level tho. Biggest question is if Carlson is penalized for an impossible move. Otherwise I think he can probe you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindfold_chess |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:39 PM Author: Stirring Medicated Sweet Tailpipe Chapel he only needs to remember the static positions on the board, changing one move at a time. i find it hard to believe this would be beyond his abilities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079815) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:18 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse This means he would be able to play normally, Magnus is pretty good at blind chess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080419) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:04 PM Author: Stirring Medicated Sweet Tailpipe Chapel how does he know which moves he can make? if he tries to move a rook across the board but it runs into one of my pieces, is he required to then take that piece? what about forward pawn moves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079669) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:46 PM Author: galvanic rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080307) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:48 PM Author: appetizing legal warrant death wish Yeah, looking at the rules of blindfold chess you usually can only make one illegal move before your forfeit. I imagine he’d need more leeway here - 5 moves - 10 moves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080310) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:15 PM Author: mind-boggling startling point "Rook" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080408) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:19 PM Author: Mahogany Jew Water Buffalo if he moves into a piece that he did not know was there, it is captured, just the same as if he knew it. This is, after all, how he builds the map in his mind. He will be told, "you just captured a pawn"
As for him stumbling into impossible moves, like him moving a pwn forward into something blocking it, he gets slapped *hard* once across the face, told "you cant do that retard", but is then allowed another move |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:21 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse LMAO this makes the hypo way funnier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080430) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:28 PM Author: Cerebral mint sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080447) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:50 PM Author: Stirring Medicated Sweet Tailpipe Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080498) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:20 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080428) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:41 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy immigrant He’d probably do well against an opponent with some chess experience. He’d be able to sort of brute force his way through the standard openings until you get to the mid game. Mid-game he might still be able to have a read on what’s going on and be able to attack some of your pieces. But surely by the endgame his lineup would be ravaged and he’d have a hell of a time maneuvering your king into checkmate.
If it was someone with no chess background, even the opening might be too chaotic for him to read what’s going on.
It’s sort of how you could navigate your own house blindfolded without much difficulty. It’s so familiar. But almost anywhere else and I’d be disoriented and bumping into everything. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:40 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse but that's the thing -- I have a lot of chess experience and I might just pawn storm into his kingside first thing if I know he can't see.
easy to stop if you can see it, but there's no way you can move accurately to defend against it if you don't know exactly what's where. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:57 PM Author: Violent Boyish Locale this would be pretty easy for him, here's him playing blindfolded against three people simultaneously and beating them all (although his opponents moves are read out to him)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXwdoRG43U
and the record is 48 simultaneous blindfolded games https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/feb/10/timor-gareyev-48-chess-games-blindfolded-riding-exercise-bike-leonard-barden |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:19 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse His opponents' moves being read out to him is what makes this possible at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080425) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:01 PM Author: Hilarious Location Travel Guidebook he would win effortlessly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080352) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:17 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse Absolutely, and it wouldn't be close. No way for him to defend against threats he can't see, a mediocre club player would destroy him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080414) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:17 PM Author: arousing bronze quadroon i think you are right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080416) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:21 PM Author: Mahogany Jew Water Buffalo idea is after a little while he has sussed out where all your pieces are. they all start in known positions, he counts the number of moves, and when things start to collide, he knows for sure where the forward most pieces are. He can also adjust strategy to send bombs into places to ascertain whats there.
question is can his brain do all this high level mapping |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:33 PM Author: arousing bronze quadroon the mapping would be incredibly easy for him but even as he is mapping he wouldn't know if a piece is a pawn or a bishop or what |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:33 PM Author: appetizing legal warrant death wish Ok, got the face slapping part.
But any time a piece is captured he is told name/position? Then I bet he can win pretty easily. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:34 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse lol no
it's far too late then
I can prosecute a hyper-aggressive early game that would be laughably easy to defend against normally, but because he doesn't know what I'm aiming at until I capture, there's no chance. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:33 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse there's just not enough time here
there are almost 72,000 possible positions after four moves, many of which are suddenly much more viable if your opponent can't see your pieces. Recklessly aggressive play can't be punished if he can't see what he can capture.
I can be threatening early forks on either side and he can't defend both c7 and f7 equally (especially if he doesn't know to defend either). He's never going to know I'm piling up on a pinned piece until I capture -- things that would be trivially easy for him to defend against and exploit if he could see. By the time he recons by capture and slaps, it'll be too late for him to avoid being down a queen or more, at which point I simply avoid hanging any pieces to the guy who literally can't see them.
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:28 PM Author: 180 Boistinker Stage I'm sure someone pointed this out, but that's a known variant of chess (+ he'd very easily win). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080593) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:34 PM Author: Mahogany Jew Water Buffalo isnt the variant / the blind chess, etc. different insofar as the moves are announced? In this hypo he is not told which piece has moved where. He must make informed guesses and strategize in order to confirm his guesses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080614) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:37 PM Author: primrose meetinghouse no, he really wouldn't. Blind chess involves both people not being able to see the board (their pieces OR their opponent's), and also having the moves read aloud (or, online, there's a move log) -- and ofc he'd win this handily.
But if I can see the board, he isn't told my moves, and he can't see the board, he would lose to even 1800s and 2000s. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 7:00 AM Author: 180 Boistinker Stage Watched a vid of Hikaru losing at this variant to an IM; think you're right, I stand corrected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46082501) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 11:44 AM Author: primrose meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46083288) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 6:41 PM Author: mind-boggling startling point If I can see my chess pieces they aren't invisible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080843) |