Are cons actually winning the culture war on trans stuff?
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Date: June 5th, 2023 1:31 AM Author: Salmon halford
in the absolute best case scenario, the Right 'winning' translates to a period of consolidation of Left cultural victory. the Right never actually reverses anything or retakes ground.
that's what you were able to achieve during the post-1980 Regan/Bush/Clinton 'conservative' realignment. it wasn't like we went back to 1950s mores and tore up the Civil Rights Act. instead it acted as a kind of cooling off period in which most of the 1960s agenda was allowed to set and 'normalize.'
then the left turned up the heat again in the 2000s.
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Date: June 5th, 2023 2:00 AM Author: Salmon halford
right. they know what they are doing.
pushing the batshit 'trans' stuff is strategic. if they can advance the 'fringe' that far leftward, suddenly you have people on the 'right' -- who were protesting 'gay marriage' 15 years ago -- saying 'I don't mind GAYS, but this TRANS stuff is a bridge too far.' they've redefined the boundaries.
suddenly Glen Greenwald -- a degenerate 'married' gay w/ adopted 'sons' -- is appearing on Tucker Carlson 3 nights a week and is palatable to a 'conservative' audience, and Tucker and FOX are essentially 'pro Gay' editorially.
that's how they do it. 2 steps forward, 1 step back, ratchetwise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46390723) |
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Date: June 5th, 2023 12:06 PM Author: Swollen Exciting Hall
TITCR. there's no 'win' on trans stuff for the right. trans people are normalized in the view of the younger generation and as time goes on, trans rights and trans people will be out and ordinary in society. it's not as if gay acceptance happened in a span of 4-5 years although it may feel that way to some really isolated red stat rural people.
politics works by changing the coordinates a little bit and slowly the trajectory of societal norms ends up somewhere far different 10-15 years down the line. of all the people howling in rage about tranny bathrooms, very few of them are under the age of 20. the gen z/zoomers will start coming into power in ten years and that will be it for 'anti-trans' bleating and howling from the right.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391582)
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Date: June 5th, 2023 12:07 PM Author: Flushed nighttime box office fat ankles
To be fair,
CR -- Jewish pedophilic libs never push too far with their kiddie diddling shit (after the normies have bent over endlessly on almost every other issue) and thereby provoke a titanic and sudden backlash in the form of literal rightwing militant fascism.
That has never happened before in history, AFAIK. So there's no way it would happen here.
It's all over. No use in even fighting back at all IMO, my fellow white based dissident right wing goys.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391584) |
Date: June 5th, 2023 1:41 AM Author: Provocative stage
yeah and it's a testament to just how totalitarian the left's grip on society is
the only thing the "right" can "win" on is...passively protesting (boycotting, not even actively protesting or acting out) against...the sickest imaginable sexual deviants literally raping and mutilating underage children
when you can barely temporarily "win" on something like this, your situation is completely fucked, and you need to start fighting back completely outside of the box
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Date: June 5th, 2023 12:18 PM Author: Provocative stage
the united states is not a functional democracy in any way and it has been steadily restricting civil liberties and freedoms for decades now
the people in power in the united states have a particular religion and a particular agenda, and an absolutely totalitarian grip on society that they use to push this religious vision and agenda. american society has not moved toward this particular ideological vision of theirs because of "democracy" or "consensus" or "public opinion." it has moved in that direction because the mechanisms of power in modern society have become more and more concentrated, and so these people have become more and more powerful, and this has allowed them to become more and more effective in enforcing their will on the population
it cannot be stressed enough just how little any of this has to do with "democracy" or "public consensus." it is *all* top-down
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Date: June 5th, 2023 12:49 PM Author: Provocative stage
has anyone in this thread even mentioned jews? what are you talking about?
everything i've said is just plain objective facts. the US is objectively not a functional democracy. half the nation sees our last election for head of state as illegitimate and fraudulent. whether or not it was actually "fraudulent" doesn't even matter. the people in power have made zero effort whatsoever to convince these people that it wasn't, and instead have doubled down on bragging about their absolute power and ability to get whatever "election" results they want https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
apart from this, the "democratic" "will of the people" is completely ignored in US elections. this isn't an exaggeration: the electorate's opinion on policy ("shitlib" or otherwise) has virtually zero effect on the laws and policies that are enacted by the state https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba
there are no "observable metrics" that suggest that the united states is a functional democracy or that any of the social trends of the past few decades are organic in nature and not top-down cultural engineering. gay marriage went from repeatedly being shot down by voters to enacted by judicial fiat to "accepted" by the public in the matter of only a few years. from there, the state now mandates preferential treatment for transsexuals at the gunpoint of the state's monopoly on violence, again in the span of just a few years. no one supported any of this just a few years ago, and yet those in power in the united states have successfully forced it on the population via their absolute top-down control of culture and media
it's just weird that people like you actually exist and go around engaging other people with such obvious nonsense. can you at least be like the other shitlibs and accept that you're in an existential war against people who are simply your enemies? how deeply in denial are you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391713) |
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Date: June 5th, 2023 12:56 PM Author: Thirsty thriller abode feces
Yeah I was going to cite facts n sheeit too but this fag isn't arguing in good faith.
From your link:
"Moneyed interests get what they want, and the rest of us pay the price."
"Moneyed interests" AKA Jews. Per Cynthia McKinney you can't get campaign funding for Congress if you don't pledge allegiance to Israel. Based on Congress's servile obedience to Netanyahu with all the standing ovations, I'm inclined to believe her.
Here's a Romanian drawing the same connection:
"Because of the expensive system and the competition among various groups, democracy needs a lot of money. As a natural consequence it becomes the slave of the great Jewish international finance which subjugates it by subvention. In this fashion the fate of a people is given into the hands of a caste of bankers."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391731) |
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Date: June 5th, 2023 3:02 PM Author: frozen point famous landscape painting
There is always this bullshit hand wringing on XO about how the US is a fully failed state run by corporate interests in conjunction with some kind of Illuminati elite agenda that steers world events.
There are numerous groups who actually make quantitative and qualitative rankings of the most free and functional democracies in the world and the US is always in the top 25 or thereabout. The nations that beat us are usually smaller or with much more homogenous populations and nothing near the federalist structure we contend with.
XO has always been and always will be a repository of Chicken Little hand waivers insisting that we live in a failed state on the eve of collapse. There is nothing to substantiate this save for huffing and puffing about JUDITHIAL FIATH (as if this is a new thing or incompatible with a constitutional democracy). You clearly don't believe the last presidential election was valid so you're probably too dumb for this kind of conversation in the first place. Please continue believing a secretive group of child molesters used corrupt networks of influence to remove all voter enfranchisement and usher in their puppet. You're so far gone that you're harmless.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46392176) |
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Date: June 5th, 2023 3:25 PM Author: Provocative stage
hey tedious internet kike pilpul pumo #981283821, are you going to respond to any of the substantive points in my post?
do you think that the US being ranked in the "top 25" in "ranking lists" of "free and functional democracies" around the world somehow "cancels out" the fact that half of our country considers our currently elected head of state as illegitimate, and that the entire power structure of our country is publicly mocking half of the electorate 24/7 about their political powerlessness and irrelevancy?
i don't think that the 2020 election was any more "stolen" or "fraudulent" than any other US presidential election. i'm making a statement of FACT about what THE ELECTORATE thinks about it. my personal view about it is irrelevant, as is yours
the united states is not a functional democracy, period, by any definition of anyone anywhere. we're objectively in a state of soft political civil war. is the country OVERALL a functional SOCIETY? for the most part, yes - we're very wealthy and developed. but the DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL STRUCTURE AND PROCESS of the united states is not functional, and will only continue to be less functional over time, as explained in previous posts
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Date: June 5th, 2023 4:12 PM Author: Provocative stage
how low IQ is this place, wtf lol
my opinion on any of this is totally irrelevant. it's an objective fact that the US is in a state of soft political civil war. how fucking braindead or flagrantly dishonest does someone have to be to deny this...?
regardless of anyone's opinion on the matter, it's an objective fact that the democratic political system of the united states is not functioning. it would not matter if the US had perfect AI-run election processes that were 100% fraud-free. it is the *perception* of legitimacy that is important in democracies, and an enormous chunk of the populace currently *perceives* the electoral and political system as illegitimate. we could have the most objectively fraudulent elections in the world, but it wouldn't matter as long as the populace accepted their legitimacy!
all of this shit is political science 101. god damn this place has become so low brow it's just pathetic
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Date: June 5th, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Obsidian hairraiser faggotry organic girlfriend
Again, this is why the right is losing the argument. No, it's not quackery, but it also isn't well studied. In particular, there is no reliable data on how many people (especially kids) transition and later regret it. And "gender affirming care" can range from anything between counseling and surgical gender transitions.
If the Republicans took a reasonable stance, such as saying, "If you are confused about your gender identity and want to talk to a therapist about it, we are totally fine with that. But we're not going to let 10-year-olds chop their dicks off without parental approval," they would be winning this argument. But instead they are letting the transphobic fundies set their agenda, which just makes them look transphobic to anyone who isn't a fundie.
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Date: June 5th, 2023 12:08 PM Author: Flushed nighttime box office fat ankles
To be fair,
CR
Oh look, a Thoughtful Moderate(TM) poast that uses a LOT of words to carefully argue that ackkkkshually, when you reallllly think about it, the Left is basically right about everything. Wow I've never seen this before, shocking stuff.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391588) |
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Date: June 6th, 2023 2:45 AM Author: Beady-eyed macaca
FYI, even liberals think you're retarded ->
@GovTimWalz
Right now, Minnesota is showing the country you don't win elections to bank political capital – you win elections to burn political capital and improve lives.
https://twitter.com/GovTimWalz/status/1665709971923673088
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46394163) |
Date: June 5th, 2023 12:11 PM Author: Mind-boggling library gaping
Define winning.
Privately, everyone I talk to thinks the trans movement in politics is BS. But publicly everyone still feels pressure to embrace it or at least stay silent.
I think the latter is more important.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391600) |
Date: June 5th, 2023 12:34 PM Author: Thirsty thriller abode feces
Woke had a trial period and power recognizes its downsides. It may well be phased out or quieted. Like covid hysteria, it can always be trotted back out later.
I'm reminded of Henry Ford's 1920 commentary on the attempted post-WWI communist revolution in Germany:
"So suddenly have German eyes been opened, so stormfully wrathful has been the reaction, that the word has gone out through German Judaism to retire to the second trench. There has been a sudden and concerted abandonment of office wherever the office made direct contact with the public; there has, however, been no abandonment of power."
Until we see "abandonment of power" there can be no "winning".
Related:
https://forbiddentexts.substack.com/p/putting-the-woke-away
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46391671) |
Date: June 5th, 2023 4:07 PM Author: at-the-ready pervert
only in the sense that the actual fuck gays hillbilly element of the right who want trans to just go away have greater numbers of aligned voters in the center and left than they realize.
everyone sees the issues with sports and bathrooms and housing and all that. trans advocates have plenty of bad actors and mentally ill rejects just like any of these things.
the most woke viewpoints will not prevail because normal people who don't obsess about this shit understand that the 40 year old guy in a wig with a half-chub should not be in the women's locker room because he claims he's a woman. there was no similar reasonable objection to marriage equality.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5350616&forum_id=2#46392416) |
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