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Hardcore litigators to file thermonuclear lawsuit against lib journos (xoElon)
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Date: November 18th, 2023 12:34 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Apparently this is to be filed the second courts open on Monday (suggesting either a pro se or small claims filing rather than by ECF)
Elon Musk vowed to hit Media Matters for America, a nonprofit media watchdog group, with a “thermonuclear lawsuit” after the organization published a story showcasing major companies’ advertisements on X, the company formerly known as Twitter, appearing next to bigoted and white nationalist posts. The Media Matters story found a dozen instances of advertisements run by companies including Amazon, NBCUniversal Catalyst and NBA Mexico next to posts featuring “White Lives Matter” and “white pride world wide” hashtags. Musk conceded the instances were real, but characterized each as a “rare instance” and alleged that Media Matters manufactured a scenario to make such cases appear more often than they ordinarily would for the average user. |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 1:53 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce Do California state court allow case-initiating documents to be filed electronically? I vaguely remember from several years ago that they were behind the times on things like that. But I haven't done work in California for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071316) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:00 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Yeah it’s the only way. But if his bitch-ass files this in CA he’s gonna get SLAPPed. He’ll have to be a fraud and file in Virginia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071344) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:02 PM Author: Tantric cyan cruise ship nowadays the CA courts are fully electronic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071725) |
Date: November 18th, 2023 12:35 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725771191644758037?s=46&t=cquaMUY_pkAxEK8MfE16iA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071061) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 12:36 PM Author: charismatic tank What's with the document writer grammar underlines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071072) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 1:49 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Lol. “More concise language might be easier for readers to understand” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071307) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 1:55 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution To be fair,
Whoa, conturds are now filing ridiculous and frivolous lawsuits in a blatant attempt to waste the resources of their enemies and tie them up stupid court proceedings?
This is a new low; truly disgusting behavior that we should make a point of calling out and mocking at every turn, IMO. These people are very sick, I mean, who does something like that?! |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:01 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Prediction: No lawsuit will be filed, after the hardcore lawyers tell their bitch boi boss that he doesn’t have a viable cause of action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071351) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:03 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution To be fair,
Whoa, so you're telling me that conturds DON'T file frivolous lawsuits to waste the time, money, and resources of their enemies on bullshit?
Well thank god they haven't escalated to doing that! |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:04 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre No I’m saying bitch bois fume in the internet about how they’re going to destroy their enemies, then sober up and move on to the next outrage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071362) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:07 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution To be fair,
Whew, thank God bitch bois never actually go through with this and stoop to the level of filing outrageously frivolous lawsuits that are clearly just aimed at wasting their opponents' time and money by tying them up in court while simultaneously creating a tenuous basis for running outrageous headlines in legacy media outlets about how "High Profile Person / Entity Y is being SUED!!! (omgomgomg) for (Meritless) Claim X."
Sure hope no group of people ever systematically and cynically weaponizes the glorious American judicial and legacy media system like that as a crude cudgel with which to strike out at their ideological enemies!
Haha yeah, haha. |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:09 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre diaper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071368) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 10:57 PM Author: Mint Degenerate hey, question TBF. why are you, a disbarred ex-lawyer, commenting on law stuff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47073094) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 11:36 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution To be fair,
State your JD-granting institution before I engage with you further, Karen Tatum Jones
(I'll wait) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:03 PM Author: cerebral high-end ratface station "So uh elon...about that anti-slapp statute..." |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:21 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre *gets fired for not being hardcore enough* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071395) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:18 PM Author: magenta sound barrier famous landscape painting you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071562) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:23 PM Author: nighttime mewling box office X is a global entity so Elon can get his day in court wherever he wants. Likely he'll file in London, where the libel laws are strictest. It's a weird trick but judgments in English courts are enforceable in all "common law" countries - goodbye Media Matters! This will be like Peter Thiel's lawsuit against Hulk Hogan x1000. Many of you may not have known this stuff - you'd have to be a hardcore bare knucks litigator, like the ones on Elon's tiger team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071398) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:27 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre (ZZZ) Lol no it won’t. Your belief is that English courts assert worldwide jurisdiction? The Law of the Sea or something?
He won’t file at all, bc he’s a YSFFM bitch boi |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:37 PM Author: nighttime mewling box office Our law literally comes from England (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071439) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:40 PM Author: charismatic tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071453) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:40 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071454) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:42 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre (ZZZ to Judge Luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071465) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:53 PM Author: Motley Foreskin Hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071690) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 11:33 PM Author: salmon french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47073165) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: irradiated wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082897) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:54 PM Author: rusted misunderstood philosopher-king not all countries are common law countries...yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082420) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:35 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Hardcore litigator: “Sir we are required to file under CA law and only in California:
The laws of the State of California, excluding its choice of law provisions, will govern these Terms and any dispute that arises between you and us. All disputes related to these Terms or the Services will be brought solely in the federal or state courts located in San Francisco County, California, United States“
xoElon: “that’s not hardcore; your fired.” |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:38 PM Author: bistre trip theater wouldn't he be suing them for libel not a violation of the user agreement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071444) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:44 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre (hardcore litigator) It wouldn’t be libel since MM didn’t make them up. But yeah, they’ll say it’s not subject to the TOS, even though a team of bald Cooley partners drafted it so it applies to “all disputes arising between you and us.” |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:46 PM Author: bistre trip theater if they manipulated the service to get screenshots and misrepresented their findings that seems made up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071471) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:01 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Maybe but it’s not going anywhere. I think Elon and xo Mia perceive the popularity of white nationalism and antisemitism among the pool of people who show up for jury duty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071509) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:04 PM Author: bistre trip theater if he can even just make it to discovery it would probably be worth it from a PR perspective (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071515) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:14 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Again, defending the rights of white nationalists to spew their love for Hitler is not a good “PR strategy” among normal people. Very popular PR among xo posters tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071547) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:14 PM Author: bistre trip theater yeah, people really love the jews these days! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071552) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre (guy who spends lots of time on the internet) Try going to work and casually saying “aren’t we all getting sick of these Jews,” and see how many of your colleagues high-five you. |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:46 PM Author: bistre trip theater try going to a college and saying "I stand with Israel" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071655) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:41 PM Author: Twinkling territorial tanning salon depressive how do you assess the anti-SLAPP fight? it's journalism but it's alleged, plausibly, to be the manufacture of misleading information. who wins? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071460) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:51 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre In CA the second step would be a close call. They consider evidence on SLAPP motions, so it’s hard to say without knowing the details (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071679) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:46 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce What are the "Services"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071653) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:48 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce What are XO's thoughts on a unilateral venue provision? If the user sues, it has to be in SF County. Silent on X or maybe even says venue provision doesn't apply to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071658) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:52 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Says “any dispute that arises between us.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071685) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:59 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce Don't be the guy who fights the hypo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071712) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:05 PM Author: Tantric cyan cruise ship but unless suit is based on the terms of the TOS, not likely to be enforceable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071734) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:11 AM Author: clear school candlestick maker Elon is complaining about how the platform was apparently manipulated to produce misleading results. I don’t see how he’s going to succeed by saying his own platform TOS are inapplicable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081026) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:51 PM Author: Submissive spectacular whorehouse which lawyers does elon/x use? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071483) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:53 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre He apparently assembled a team of hardcore litigators a couple years ago so I assume he’ll use them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071689) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:55 PM Author: Flushed Ticket Booth Filthpig I recall from that thread that chilmata and disco fries applied. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071698) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 2:53 PM Author: Zippy Fragrant Address Genital Piercing Appeal Team Six HALO jumping into lib jurisdictions while under fire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071492) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 12:38 PM Author: pale trailer park legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47078319) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2023 2:14 AM Author: Exciting khaki locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47085512) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:45 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce You're representing X. You've been hired to revise the terms of service to really fuck companies like Media Matters. What do you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071646) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:51 PM Author: bistre trip theater mandatory arbitration before an equitable and diverse panel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071678) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 3:55 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre “User agrees not to use the Services to b mean 2 Elon. Upon breach of this covenant User shall pay Elon $1 billion.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071697) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:03 PM Author: Dark infuriating people who are hurt dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071726) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:03 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce We'll put it in, but make sure it's severable. There might be some penalty enforceability risks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071729) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:06 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre “User agrees that any harm to Elon’s reputation is impossible to quantify, and therefore agrees that Penalty shall be enforced as liquidated damages.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071736) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:00 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/x-placing-ads-amazon-nba-mexico-nbcuniversal-and-others-next-content-white-nationalist
Absolutely devastating for this bitch boi and his thermonuclear lolsuit |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:06 PM Author: Tantric cyan cruise ship who cares, Elon is running X like a non-profit anyways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47071737) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 10:51 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre ? Non-profits have advertisers and sponsors. He’s running it like Rach runs xo.
(🙏🏼 Rach btw) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 11:25 PM Author: bistre trip theater yes, he is basically Rach but for America (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47073149) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 12:36 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Where are we on this. Have courts opened on the mainland yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47078313) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 2:58 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce California is even more chill than Hawaii. They'll get to it when they get to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47078959) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 1:16 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47078457) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 9:54 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce 📄 Complaint 📄
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.383454/gov.uscourts.txnd.383454.1.0_1.pdf |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 10:52 PM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Shrewd to file in Fort Worth to ensure a Trumpmo judge.
“The court finds that Jews are in fact a devious people, and Defendant Media Matters is controlled by them (as is the rest of the “media”).” |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 10:57 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce Represented by two tiny firms. No idea what their reputations are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47080808) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:49 PM Author: nighttime mewling box office Why isn't Alex Spiro on this?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47080983) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 1:52 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre First guy is a NoTTTre Dame grad, and the guys at the second firm are TTTexas lawyers but have asterisks saying “admission pending,” suggesting that they’ve never been admitted to fed courts in their own state.
Lmao very hardcore |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 10:47 AM Author: grizzly market lettuce Yeah, I noticed the Texan-waiting-for-admission-in-Texas oddity. Most people I know get admitted to the local federal district as a matter of course once they get admitted to the state bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081844) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:48 PM Author: nighttime mewling box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47080977) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:55 PM Author: pearly parlor tattoo what's your take on the merits? is it as garbage as one would think? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47080994) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 1:52 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Noticed a couple of typos and I’m only on page 3
Edit: actually it’s really good. Highly doubt the TTTs in the signature block wrote it. I have no idea about these causes of action in TX but I think “business disparagement” is big down there — that’s how the farmers got Oprah iirc |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:04 AM Author: Umber slap-happy spot I’m not an experienced forum shopper, so how we feeling about that jurisdiction and and venue section? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081012) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:05 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre It’s about as strong as ZZZ’s Key West allegations. The caselaw has been getting stringent for internet jurisdiction. But LJL at expecting the 5th Cir to follow its law when it would require letting the lib media off the hook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081192) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:06 AM Author: grizzly market lettuce Sounds like X needs an asymmetric forum selection clause that improves its forum shopping ability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081930) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:18 PM Author: Umber slap-happy spot Penumbras start emanating like rivulets after a desert rain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083413) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 10:54 AM Author: ebony thriller jew telephone "The truth bore no resemblance to Media Matters’ narrative. In fact, IBM’s, Comcast’s, and Oracle’s paid posts appeared alongside the fringe content cited by Media Matters for only one viewer (out of more than 500 million) on all of X: Media Matters. Not a single authentic user of the X platform saw IBM’s, Comcast’s, or Oracle’s ads next to that content, which Media Matters achieved only through its manipulation of X’s algorithms as described above. And in Apple’s case, only two out of more than 500 million active users saw its ad appear alongside the fringe content cited in the article—at least one of which was Media Matters."
For normal people, this would be pretty damning. But I am sure some jews would make some excuse why this is OK |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 10:55 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre you fell into the midwit trap they set bruv (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081885) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:04 AM Author: hairraiser toaster ape Thanks. I had AI summarize it below:
``` The complaint arises out of actions taken by Media Matters for America ("Media Matters") and its writer Eric Hananoki regarding the X social media platform, owned and operated by plaintiff X Corp. Compl. ¶¶ 2, 15-17. X Corp. filed suit against Media Matters and Hananoki in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Fort Worth Division, alleging three causes of action: (I) interference with contract; (II) business disparagement; and (III) interference with prospective economic advantage. Id. ¶¶ 18-20, 42-57. X Corp. claims venue is proper because "a substantial part of the events giving rise to the claims occurred herein" and because "a substantial part of the property that is subject of the action—that is X's business and advertising—is situated in the district." Id. ¶ 20.
The crux of X Corp.'s complaint is that Media Matters "intentionally manipulated" X's platform and algorithms to "manufacture rare pairings of ads by major advertisers next to fringe, racist content." Id. ¶ 25. Specifically, X Corp. alleges that Media Matters "used an account active for over 30 days" and configured that account to "follow[] only 30 fringe and advertiser accounts." Id. ¶¶ 29-30. Through "excessively scrolling and refreshing," Media Matters then "override[d] safeguards" and "generated between 13 and 15 times more advertisements per hour than would be seen by a typical user," thereby "seeking to force a situation in which a brand ad post appeared adjacent to fringe content." Id. ¶ 31. X Corp. claims Media Matters took screenshots of these "engineered" juxtapositions involving ads by IBM, Apple, Comcast, and others next to inflammatory content. Id. ¶ 32.
X Corp.'s complaint focuses heavily on the allegation that Media Matters intentionally concealed its manipulation from readers and advertisers. Id. section III. For example, X Corp. alleges that "Media Matters omitted in its entirety its process of manufacturing these ad pairings" in its November 16, 2023 article and made "no attempt to clarify the rarity of these pairings," which constituted just "0.0000009090909 percent of impressions served on the day in question." Id. ¶¶ 33-35. Further, through "deceptive image selection," Media Matters allegedly "hid[] its deceit through even more deceit" by cropping screenshots "containing only the ad and the controversial content" to exclude contextual posts. Id. ¶¶ 36-37. By concealing its methodology, X Corp. claims that Media Matters created the "false, misleading perception that these types of pairings were common, widespread, and alarming" both for platform users and major advertisers. Id. ¶ 35.
Several advertisers, including Comcast, NBCUniversal, Apple, and IBM reacted swiftly to Media Matters’ piece, pulling their ads from X Corp’s platform. Id. ¶ 39. X Corp. expressly alleges that “Media Matter’ intentional manipulation was so severe that companies not even featured in the article also pulled ads," resulting in substantial revenue and business losses for X Corp. Id. ¶ 40. Ultimately, X Corp. claims Media Matters’ “all-out campaign” through “systematic, harassing attacks” on X Corp. and its owner was specifically designed to “starve X of ad revenue” by interfering with contracts and economic relationships. Id. ¶ 41. For these harms, X Corp. seeks monetary damages, injunctive relief, costs and fees, as well as any other relief deemed appropriate by the court. Id. (“Prayer for Relief” section).
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:33 AM Author: red meetinghouse chances this is 100% about shifting the media attention away from his response to that allegedly anti-semitic/racist tweet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081094) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 1:56 AM Author: medicated floppy native pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081189) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:24 AM Author: Sadistic wonderful alpha https://twitter.com/davidzweig/status/1726795820018684041 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081271) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 10:49 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Lol, the inclusion of this trap for midwits is exactly why I said the complaint is really good.
You have to read super carefully to understand exactly what they are alleging. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:11 AM Author: hairraiser toaster ape I didn't read the suit (just AI summary) but it sounds like X is alleging that Media Matters falsely/misleadingly claimed that it "found" altright messages next to big brand sponsors when in fact Media Matters carefully engineered this event. The stats in the Complaint seem a bit dubious in that, for example, the GLOBAL # of brand impressions matters little (instead the question = the real odds of getting advertiser messages next to altright stuff or whatever). Even so, seems like a fair enough complaint on its face -- particularly as Media Matters seemingly exists precisely to interfere w/ existing/prospective contracts.
IDK about Texas's anti-SLAPP law but this seems like enough to get limited discovery *shrugs*. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:41 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082109) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:22 AM Author: Sadistic wonderful alpha What exactly is that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082003) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:40 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre They're describing the unique pairing between a specific ad and a specific tweet. So if the Hitler tweets MM identified had only 10 impressions, it's no surprise that only one of them served that specific ad next to it.
Pretty much guarantee that discovery would show that the *median* specific-tweet-plus-specific-ad count across all Twitter traffic is around 1.002342.
Also imagine that when MM asks for this, the hardcore litigators will say they don't have that data, and that compiling it is disproportionate to the needs of the litigation.
Second, this is like Charles defending himself to Tucker by saying that zero blacks even saw his blank bumps in the Congo surgeon thread, but that's not the point that that CNN poster was making. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:42 AM Author: Motley Foreskin Hall Cr analogy except that this case, that's precisely what media matters was arguing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082115) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:46 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Smart edit, but no, that's not what MM is alleging. I linked the article above.
They're refuting Yacarino's assertion that Twitter has a magical algorithm that prevents this from happening, by saying "we found that Twitter placed ads for [bigco] next to [xo poster's Tweet]." |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:50 AM Author: Motley Foreskin Hall I didn't edit my post?
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:52 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre Hadn't you repeated Elon's use of the word "found" or did I imagine that? He and the lolyers don't use it the way MM used it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082157) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:56 AM Author: Motley Foreskin Hall I haven't "read" the complaint as such (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082172) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:51 AM Author: avocado cowardly gunner church get a real fucking job you stupid ass bitch. cut off the crack whore you married and end the tranny shit with your kids. be a real person and not some fake piece of shit with a fake job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082152) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:42 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce I haven't read the Media Matters article. But I have to imagine it wasn't so bland as to state something like, "If you work really hard, you can force Twitter to make a toxic pairing of tweets and ads, and that proves X's ad girl wrong." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082868) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 10:57 AM Author: hairraiser toaster ape Pretty clever of them to throw in a midwit trap exclusion paragraph. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081892) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 10:59 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre this but unironically (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081902) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:00 AM Author: Exciting khaki locus the fuck is a "thermonuclear lawsuit" is it like some elite kike lawyer group with the hookiest hook noses doing highspeed kike shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081908) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:09 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre here we use the expression "absolutely devastating for board libs" but this is what normies say IRL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47081939) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:42 AM Author: avocado cowardly gunner church get a real job you fucking bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082114) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:41 AM Author: avocado cowardly gunner church this is the type of shit that stupid ass bitches who don't have real ass jobs do instead of actually working for a living. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082111) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:43 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre (guy who didn't see the article about me in Law360 today) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082119) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:44 AM Author: avocado cowardly gunner church you are a stupid ass bitch who doesn't have a real job. no one cares that you showed up in some gay mormon pedo blog. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082126) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:53 AM Author: charismatic tank More interesting is that all his recent cases are gas station scuffles and his firm is a "boutique" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082162) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:59 AM Author: hairraiser toaster ape I know a dude who made almost a billion dollars from gas station scuffles (MTBE cases). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082185) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:02 PM Author: charismatic tank woah do you know any other harmful gasoline additives that haven't been banned? need to get in on this racket (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082198) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:04 PM Author: hairraiser toaster ape MTBE is a damn fine antiknock agent. Damn fine! Just so happens that it tastes really bad if it gets in the aquifer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082200) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:47 PM Author: Twinkling territorial tanning salon depressive Since Twitter users can curate their own advertising experience, Musk says an internal investigation shows that MMFA used Twitter/X accounts opened slightly more than 30 days ago to "evade content filtering" and then followed only extremist accounts and the platform's largest advertisers, therefore "precision design[ing]" unique pairings of the two in their feed. But, the lawsuit claims, that was still not enough to create the unique and extremist content they wanted to use in their hit pieces. Musk says that to achieve the most damning-looking content, Media Matters had to resort "to endless scrolling and refreshing its unrepresentative, hand-selected feed, generated between 13 and 15 times more advertisements per hour than the typical X user." The lawsuit says this "inauthentic activity" was kept up until MMFA got the desired result: "controversial content next to X's largest advertisers' paid posts."
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:48 PM Author: Twinkling territorial tanning salon depressive The pairing of the extremist content and all-star advertisers IBM, Comcast, and Oracle was so unique, the lawsuit says, that it showed up for only one Twitter user—the MMFA-manipulated account—out of all 500 million active users. MMFA's manipulated account was able to get a pairing of Apple and fringe content for only two users out of all Twitter/X users and one of them was Media Matters.
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:52 PM Author: hairraiser toaster ape "The pairing of the extremist content and all-star advertisers IBM, Comcast, and Oracle was so unique, the lawsuit says, that it showed up for only one Twitter user—the MMFA-manipulated account—out of all 500 million active users."
I hate when people use intensifiers with "unique" -- there is no "so unique" just unique! But that aside, there must be a staggering # of potential advertising configurations given all the posts on Twitter and all the potential ads it can serve, such that it would not be surprising if most were unique. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:32 PM Author: red meetinghouse can a shitlawyer explain how this is legally relevant?
they didn't actually modify the evidence they just found very unique evidence. that's not illegal, it's not unethical, it doesn't seem like fraud. Can a lawyer (if we still have those) who specializes in these sorts of lawsuits weigh in on this? |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:44 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce I'm way too lazy to research Texas law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47082871) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:47 PM Author: hairraiser toaster ape Materially misleading statements (i.e., facts intentionally stated so as to mislead, while withholding material disclosures necessary to make the facts stated not misleading) can be fraudulent/tortious/whatever.
The allegation as I understand it is that Media Matters intentionally created a scenario where the ads would be side-by-side and then passed it off as if it were naturalistic, all in order to hurt X. Nothing wrong in form with the allegation.
An analogy: if I run over a football helmet with a tank and then post a picture of it and say it was involved in a 'low speed vehicular incident, and this is how it stood up to it,' it might be seen as materially misleading. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 3:49 PM Author: bistre trip theater what is the specific tort though? Interference with contract? Fraud? Libel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083242) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:04 PM Author: Filthy crusty set It's tortious interference or nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083337) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:22 PM Author: bistre trip theater that requires a breach though doesn't it? Are the advertisers breaching contracts or simply not renewing them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083439) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:25 PM Author: grizzly market lettuce Disrupted business relationships and expectancies are actionable. I don't know how Texas carves up the names and elements of its torts, but you typically don't need a breach of contract to recover for wrongful inference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083462) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:28 PM Author: Motley Foreskin Hall To prevail on a claim for tortious interference with prospective business relations, a plaintiff must establish that (1) there was a reasonable probability that the plaintiff would have entered into a business relationship with a third party; (2) the defendant either acted with a conscious desire to prevent the relationship from occurring or knew the interference was certain or substantially certain to occur as a result of the conduct; (3) the defendant’s conduct was independently tortious or unlawful; (4) the interference proximately caused the plaintiff injury; and (5) the plaintiff suffered actual damage or loss as a result.[1]
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/texas-law-and-tortious-interference-9902089/ |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:30 PM Author: bistre trip theater independently tortious seems problematic here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083480) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 5:03 PM Author: Tantric cyan cruise ship Defamation, false light, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083625) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:37 PM Author: hairraiser toaster ape That's prospective, they alleged existing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47084574) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:36 PM Author: Twinkling territorial tanning salon depressive half truths can be whole lies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47085031) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2023 11:00 AM Author: hairraiser toaster ape Yea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47086278) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 3:54 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution To be fair,
Wait so just to clarify the current state of play ITT:
- EPAH originally made this thread to smugly laugh at Elon for talking shit about filing a lawsuit when "we all know" he won't actually file one (typical)
- EPAH smugly bumped this thread on Monday morning asking "so uhhhh where's the lawsuit, Trumpkins?"
- Whoops -- Elon did, in fact, file a lawsuit
- EPAH has now been forced to admit that the complaint actually contains some "pretty clever" pleadings
- Somehow, this is still all going to blow up in Elon's dumb face, just wait two weeks(?)
Did I get this right? |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:08 PM Author: Sadistic wonderful alpha That was my take as well. But did you see his Law360 article??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083356) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 4:59 PM Author: Submissive spectacular whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47083606) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2023 2:02 AM Author: adventurous therapy theatre I change my mind when new facts are revealed. What do you do SIR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47085489) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2023 9:42 AM Author: Twinkling territorial tanning salon depressive previously you offered thoughts on any SLAPP style defense. having seen the complaint, what do you think now?
if i were the judge i'd deny a SLAPP motion to strike. it just seems so fraudulent and so targeted at economic harm. |
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Date: November 22nd, 2023 12:24 PM Author: self-centered dopamine institution To be fair,
I have sex, for money, with men. |
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Date: November 22nd, 2023 12:45 PM Author: hairraiser toaster ape I see you are both Keynesians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446328&forum_id=2#47086551) |