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Cravath yield at Yale: 16 offers, 1 acceptance

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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Cravath is a very good firm. It is not a mistake to go there...
zombie-like alcoholic idiot heaven
  02/25/05
You dont know shit buddy. Dont go dispensing advice on law f...
Bat Shit Crazy Copper Hunting Ground Karate
  02/25/05
You're obviously really fucking stupid. Have you heard of Va...
Honey-headed location rigpig
  06/13/05
"Have you heard of Vault, big guy?" Oh, my.
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  06/13/05
pwned~!
Honey-headed location rigpig
  06/13/05
You'll work hard, but it'll make you a better lawyer in what...
vigorous depressive party of the first part
  02/25/05
"Also, paging GTO? He suggests that poor representation...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
Okay, I apologize for being down on the study before I've se...
vigorous depressive party of the first part
  02/25/05
Going to leave that as a surprise for now. However, think ab...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
The only obvious thing is geography. But I'm skeptical that...
vigorous depressive party of the first part
  02/25/05
I adjusted for region, as well as sectoral preferences. T...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
Seems to me that one thing that differentiates the HYSCCN cr...
Concupiscible field
  02/25/05
That's sectoral preferences and it's accounted for. Keep in ...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
GTO--I just glanced at your paper. The bluebooking sucks and...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
I didn't bluebook it yet, the current cites are just placeho...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
Ok, I just wanted to make sure you know that a law student p...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
Thanks, I really appreciate it. Plan is to get comments, mak...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
You can post it here when you've bluebooked it. But before y...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
Yeah I definitely will, thanks. I just hope a journal wou...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
Would secondary journals at top schools care?
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
I think there are only one or two secondary journals dealing...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
What about generic secondary journals? Do they exist?
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
Doesn't look like any exist: http://www.lawreview.org/ ...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
Speaking of secondary journals, this is the only on-point on...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
Ugh, and it looks like my article might be too long even aft...
Razzle-dazzle frum station
  02/25/05
120. A real xfer would never say something like this: ...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
What were your grades at Chicago?
Balding tanning salon lettuce
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
why did you leave?
lilac nudist international law enforcement agency
  02/25/05
Honors=181. Gangsta=184. Not sure what the cut off is for ...
Maize tripping national security agency
  02/25/05
Transfers everywhere don't get "introduced" to the...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
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irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
Ok, I'm inclined to believe you (unless someone is imposteri...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
yeah, :D must be lurking.
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
Also, FYI, I'd change your moniker to something more anonymo...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
"Ownership Society" is pretty vague.
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Do you want your post sent to every single partner at CSM? P...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
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Peach library
  02/25/05
What would have been your second choice had you not landed C...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Look at my moniker and email -- am I someone who has always ...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Wow, I drool over Susman. Congrats, sounds like you did rea...
vigorous depressive party of the first part
  02/25/05
you drool over billing 2500 hours a year? nice fucking li...
Lake Dragon
  06/13/05
Maybe this is a problem unique to YLS transfers. What you've...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Ok, I'm probably blowing your statement out of proportion, t...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
I transfered undergrad and it took a long time before I felt...
vigorous depressive party of the first part
  02/25/05
SLS is similar to YLS in class size and accepting a relative...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
I think we should take more transfers. A lot more, actually...
vigorous depressive party of the first part
  02/25/05
SLS is too small to do that, though. CLS/NYU expand the clas...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
Ten are going to Cleary, not six.
Glittery useless community account plaza
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
It is ten.
Glittery useless community account plaza
  02/25/05
Why Cleary? Cleary is infested with faggots and ultra-commie...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
When I had my Cravath callback, one of my interviews was wit...
Maize tripping national security agency
  02/25/05
You're definitely not crazy for going to Cravath. I'm also a...
Crimson comical locus
  02/25/05
Well, thank God. The more smart kids, like Yalies, that stay...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
they have only 4 tax partners... and what do you mean by ...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
Well I didnt say making partner was easy, obviously. I al...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
arguments like "cravath provides great exit options&quo...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
so what? the reality is that not many people will be making ...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
i just think that talkign generally about whether "exit...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
what's stupid about it? most people at any top biglaw firm w...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
oh, i'm just saying it's so specific to your practice area/c...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
yeah that's very true, the whole practice groups thing. but ...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
Latham & Watkins immediately comes to mind with respect ...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
oh yeah drexel burnham lambert, michael milken and all that....
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
i doubt that their chicago office does much of that. you ca...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
interesting, thanks.
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
The vast majority of Drexel's work was done by Irell and Man...
Contagious fortuitous meteor public bath
  02/25/05
I thought you want to go to WLRK or K&E?
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
i don't think he knows what he wants, nttiawwt.
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
i just mean the top biglaw firms in general, not necessarily...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
That post is for barzini. He's not even in law school yet he...
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
you were right the first time, about me not knowing. those a...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
The chances are that both of them will reject you.
offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker
  02/25/05
i have no idea what my chances will be at either one, since ...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
"i have no idea what my chances will be at either one, ...
irradiated chestnut fat ankles
  02/25/05
i never said i was an expert. in fact i've often said the op...
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
why don't you just go to law school already?
Soul-stirring swollen space faggotry
  02/25/05
uh, hello, acceptances are needed
self-absorbed clown partner
  02/25/05
There's someone at CLS who transferred from Chicago Law. He...
Amethyst Crusty Native Toaster
  02/25/05
Yeah, I know who you're talking about. Wasn't too sad to se...
Bisexual shivering base
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Damn, MW, it's you (or a very good imposter). How you likin...
cobalt center selfie
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
god damn, I can't wait! Posts like that make me so excited.
sinister dopamine
  06/13/05
Hey mwallens, your story reminds of what happened with Colum...
Razzmatazz church building brethren
  02/25/05
people are dodging sweatshops like Cravath until they start ...
Aquamarine infuriating office puppy
  02/25/05
It seems very possible, if not likely, that people accepting...
internet-worthy fragrant travel guidebook dysfunction
  02/25/05
I don't think anyone wants to count on that until they see s...
Aquamarine infuriating office puppy
  02/25/05
What the fuck is it with Wilmer? We sent like 4 or 5 peop...
confused swashbuckling water buffalo
  02/25/05
three words: unlimited free blowjobs.
Aquamarine infuriating office puppy
  02/25/05
I obviously chose to work at the wrong place.
Razzmatazz church building brethren
  02/25/05
yup. it is amazing. you will see Wilmer mentioned in the s...
Aquamarine infuriating office puppy
  02/25/05
Mwallens - On the interview circuit, did you meet any Chi...
Bateful charcoal locale preventive strike
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Hey MW, I'm going to be a 1L at YLS this fall. I'm not r...
Flushed national crotch
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
Congrats on Susman, I know someone headed there as well. ...
Maize tripping national security agency
  02/25/05
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emerald ape
  02/25/05
mwallens - where are the other YLS transfers from? I heard ...
excitant chest-beating trailer park
  02/25/05
What was your class rank?
Maize tripping national security agency
  02/25/05
Numero uno.
excitant chest-beating trailer park
  02/25/05
and you got dinged? damn.
Maize tripping national security agency
  02/25/05
Hey, MWallens, same is true at Chicago.... even though the &...
cobalt center selfie
  02/25/05
How deep?
titillating windowlicker stead
  02/25/05
People are pretty tight-lipped about grades here, but I'm pr...
Bisexual shivering base
  02/25/05
bullshit
Lake Dragon
  06/13/05
a little slow?
snowy mood
  06/13/05
I believe this
Rose Abode
  06/13/05
actually i hear the same is true for all of ccn. sorry. a...
mind-boggling area
  06/13/05
I'm at Fordham right now. Fordham definitely had one kid wi...
Azure ungodly temple
  02/25/05
Congrats, man.
buff toilet seat
  06/13/05


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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:16 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205148)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:19 AM
Author: zombie-like alcoholic idiot heaven

Cravath is a very good firm. It is not a mistake to go there.

Where did you transfer from/numbers?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205166)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:26 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Copper Hunting Ground Karate

You dont know shit buddy. Dont go dispensing advice on law firms, when you havent even had a law school class yet.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205422)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 6:58 PM
Author: Honey-headed location rigpig

You're obviously really fucking stupid. Have you heard of Vault, big guy? I didn't know 174 had to be in law school to know that Cravath is a good firm. I also didn't know that you have to be in law school to take an interest in firms/law school. Shut up next time, thanks.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3005043)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 7:00 PM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

"Have you heard of Vault, big guy?"

Oh, my.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3005068)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 9:06 PM
Author: Honey-headed location rigpig

pwned~!

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3006155)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:20 AM
Author: vigorous depressive party of the first part

You'll work hard, but it'll make you a better lawyer in whatever specialty you wind up in. I bet you have a pretty good idea what you want to focus on, and that it's something that lends itself to a biglaw practice more than most of your classmates.

And don't worry--if it turns out to not be a great fit, you'd have obscene options if you reinterviewed.

Also, paging GTO? He suggests that poor representation of Yale and Stanford at firms like Cravath implied poorer placement in NYC than Harvard. And, in Stanford's case, Northwestern as well.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205177)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:04 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

"Also, paging GTO? He suggests that poor representation of Yale and Stanford at firms like Cravath implied poorer placement in NYC than Harvard. And, in Stanford's case, Northwestern as well."

I wasn't pointing to poor placement at Cravath, I was pointing to poor placement at *all* Vault/AmLaw firms in the aggregate. The quality modifier in the rankings didn't have much of an impact at all, except at the extreme margins (ie. statistical ties) the quality/depth rankings ended up being the same as the depth rankings.

In other words, tons of Yalies turning down Cravath for Cleary makes absolutely no difference... A self selection problem only exists if tons of Yalies are turning down Cravath for Jacoby & Meyers or the Personal Injury Hotline.

And fyi, the poorer placement isn't due to their reputations -- the regression analysis on the national employment data makes it *very* clear what's going on here.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205362)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:12 AM
Author: vigorous depressive party of the first part

Okay, I apologize for being down on the study before I've seen it (and I am looking forward to reading it). But what is your conclusion, if it's not reputational?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205386)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:31 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

Going to leave that as a surprise for now. However, think about some of the things that differentiate the HYSCCN schools and you'll probably come up with at least one of the variables.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205429)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:32 AM
Author: vigorous depressive party of the first part

The only obvious thing is geography. But I'm skeptical that it's that big a deal, in terms of options (though not in terms of outcomes). Okay, well I'll wait anxiously.

EDIT: I could also see alumni network. There might be a little more to that.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205434)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:37 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

I adjusted for region, as well as sectoral preferences.

The significant variables aren't related to student preferences, they're related to the schools themselves.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205444)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:27 AM
Author: Concupiscible field

Seems to me that one thing that differentiates the HYSCCN crowd is that they have academic and clerking options not available to the the 7-200 crowd below them. Is that a reason why Yalies are turning down top firms?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206158)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 12:51 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

That's sectoral preferences and it's accounted for. Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of clerks -- even Yale clerks -- go into private practice after their clerkship.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206602)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:12 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

GTO--I just glanced at your paper. The bluebooking sucks and will be an obvious hinderance to getting any sort of placement (Epstein and Tribe can get away with bad bluebooking; law students can't). Clean that shit up. Or if you don't know how to, pay someone to do it.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205388)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:29 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

I didn't bluebook it yet, the current cites are just placeholders for when I do bluebook it. I'm looking for comments on the substance, not the stylstic form (unless you think sections of text should be converted to footnotes, or new sections added, or something like that). Sorry if I wasn't explicit about this in the email.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205424)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:31 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Ok, I just wanted to make sure you know that a law student piece w/ imperfect bluebooking = autoding.

I just noticed it when I opened the file to make sure it worked. I'll read the substance this weekend.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205428)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:33 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

Thanks, I really appreciate it. Plan is to get comments, make all the necessary revisions to the substance, then go and do all the bluebooking then. Considering how many citations I've added/removed/altered, I figure spending hours perfectly bluebooking a draft is a waste, better to just do it all at once on the final version.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205437)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:35 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

You can post it here when you've bluebooked it. But before you send it to the journals, I'd seriously have someone check your work (since you're a 1L who probably will make some mistakes).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205439)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:39 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

Yeah I definitely will, thanks.

I just hope a journal would find the topic interesting... My big obstacle is that lower ranked schools might not be too interested in this, but without an offer from one of them it'll be extremely hard to be seriously considered by the high ranked schools, who would likely be very interested in this. Ugh.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205449)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:39 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Would secondary journals at top schools care?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205451)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:41 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

I think there are only one or two secondary journals dealing with education. There are a few labor and employment law journals, but I don't think they'd handle something like this since they seem to just focus on the NLRA and that kind of shit (though I guess if they take email submissions it can't hurt to send it in anyway, since the cost would be $0).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205458)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:42 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

What about generic secondary journals? Do they exist?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205463)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:46 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

Doesn't look like any exist:

http://www.lawreview.org/

Seems like all the "general journals" are flagship law reviews, no secondary general journal. All the secondary ones seem to focus on specific topics.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205475)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:49 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

Speaking of secondary journals, this is the only on-point one that I'd be able to submit to:

http://www.law2.byu.edu/jel/

The other education journals either require exclusive publication rights (South Carolina) or are peer reviewed and do not allow submissions to other journals (Journal of Legal Education at GULC).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205483)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:54 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle frum station

Ugh, and it looks like my article might be too long even after all the edits I did:

http://www.law.upenn.edu/labor/new%20website/submissions.html

So far I'm more than double over their word limit. I guess if I gutted the rankings themselves and just focused on what influences employment placement, I might be able to get it to work. Then again, I probably should just not bother since it's probably too much of a tangent for them. Ugh.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205499)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:22 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

120.

A real xfer would never say something like this:

And, I'm a transfer, which means that ZERO members of the actual class of 2006 at Yale accepted offers from Cravath.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205186)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:24 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205194)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:27 AM
Author: Balding tanning salon lettuce

What were your grades at Chicago?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205209)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:27 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205215)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 2:53 PM
Author: lilac nudist international law enforcement agency

why did you leave?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2207299)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:02 PM
Author: Maize tripping national security agency

Honors=181. Gangsta=184. Not sure what the cut off is for Gangster.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2207728)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:29 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Transfers everywhere don't get "introduced" to the class. So you don't talk to any of the 2L/3L folk in class with you besides the transfers? Do you talk to the 3L transfers? What are you going to tell me next--that there are separate transfer classes.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205222)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:30 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205226)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:31 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205230)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:32 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Ok, I'm inclined to believe you (unless someone is impostering). FYI, I'd take that down ASAP.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205233)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:33 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

yeah, :D must be lurking.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205237)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:36 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Also, FYI, I'd change your moniker to something more anonymous.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205254)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:38 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

"Ownership Society" is pretty vague.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205267)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:39 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205275)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:41 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Do you want your post sent to every single partner at CSM? People here have done far meaner shit.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205282)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:44 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205300)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:46 AM
Author: Peach library



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205304)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:47 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

What would have been your second choice had you not landed CSM? Why'd you xfer -- do you want to clerk/academe (which UC is great for)?

Yea, but having your name there lessens the possibility of it being a fake.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205309)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:57 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205339)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:01 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Look at my moniker and email -- am I someone who has always wanted to be around Bruce and Akhil? Staying at the top is a valid concern, but you'd always be on the review. I assume you can't make YLJ?

Are you from TX, or just thing Susman is cool?



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205354)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:44 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206231)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:24 AM
Author: vigorous depressive party of the first part

Wow, I drool over Susman. Congrats, sounds like you did really well.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205418)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 7:03 PM
Author: Lake Dragon

you drool over billing 2500 hours a year?

nice fucking life.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3005094)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:34 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Maybe this is a problem unique to YLS transfers. What you've experienced as a transfer is clearly not the case at a lot of other top schools. Do you think YLS students are asshole snobs and scorn transfers, or something?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205242)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:37 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205265)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:40 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Ok, I'm probably blowing your statement out of proportion, then. I guess your experience is as such because YLS is so small. If you go to a huge school like HLS/CLS/NYU you will still not know a ton of people.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205277)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:07 AM
Author: vigorous depressive party of the first part

I transfered undergrad and it took a long time before I felt like I was part of the class. I'd say the transfers here at Stanford would feel similarly to mwallens.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205377)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:10 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

SLS is similar to YLS in class size and accepting a relatively few # of xfers.

NYU/CLS would be totally different. There are 400 people per class and like 50 transfers.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205384)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:13 AM
Author: vigorous depressive party of the first part

I think we should take more transfers. A lot more, actually. Transfers are a real loyal bunch. You feel like you've gotten to the promised land and become a really loyal alum. Or at least that was my undergrad experience.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205394)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:16 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

SLS is too small to do that, though. CLS/NYU expand the class by like 10%. Stanford's class would expand by 30% if they did it similarly.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205402)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:25 AM
Author: Glittery useless community account plaza

Ten are going to Cleary, not six.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205198)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:27 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205211)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:27 AM
Author: Glittery useless community account plaza

It is ten.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205216)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:37 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

Why Cleary? Cleary is infested with faggots and ultra-commies. People who wouldn't fit in at a white shoe firm go there.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205261)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 2:03 PM
Author: Maize tripping national security agency

When I had my Cravath callback, one of my interviews was with an alum of my school, which also historically has had trouble recruiting there. We talked a bit about it and I think agreed that part of the reason was that Cravath had more of a sweatshop reputation than other comparable NYC firms...a reputation this person felt was undeserved, because, according to them, they work no more hours than DPW etc...

The person also mentioned that if you wanted a US attorney job, Cravath was not the feeder, but other firms were, so don't come to Cravath if that is your grand plan.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2207014)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:47 PM
Author: Crimson comical locus

You're definitely not crazy for going to Cravath. I'm also a YLS 2L, and I've noticed that people here make choices about firms that are quite strange and faddish. Wilmer is this year's big winner; in addition to its NYC crew, it also has another 8 or so YLS folks in DC. It's honestly pretty bizarre that people here prefer Cleary, Debevoise, and Paul Weiss over Cravath and S&C (in NYC); and Wilmer, O'Melveny, and Jenner over W&C, Covington, and Mayer (in DC). The only explanations for the madness are 3Ls' stories about working at their firms, and firms' efforts to raise their YLS profile. Wilmer and OMM, for example, are really really visible--Dellinger gave a talk here in the fall, and Wilmer organized a YLS reception during the ACS convention last summer.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2208033)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:19 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

Well, thank God. The more smart kids, like Yalies, that stay the hell out of my way the better. I hope they all pursue appellate glory arguing about whether men can buttpeck each other and whether I can wipe my arse with the flag.

Cravath money is pretty good and the exit options are supposed to be amazing, assuming you dont make partner.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205164)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:23 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

they have only 4 tax partners...

and what do you mean by "amazing exit options"?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205192)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:27 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

Well I didnt say making partner was easy, obviously.

I always hear the Cravath name on a resume opens a ton of doors in many areas. In-house legal work, other law firms, starting your own law firm, going to consulting or banking or other business things, etc. etc. etc.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205208)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:28 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

arguments like "cravath provides great exit options" usually sound like arguments of the form "Harvard Law School provides great exit options-- you can transfer down to any school so easily!"

ya dig?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205217)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:34 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

so what? the reality is that not many people will be making partner at cravath. but "transferring down" from there will probably still give a better result than if one had gone to another firm.

and for the people who go into banking/business, maybe they'll make even more than if they'd made partner @ cravath.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205246)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:37 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

i just think that talkign generally about whether "exit options" from a given biglaw firm exceed the exit optiosn from another biglaw firm is generally stupid. e.g. the vast majority or cravath litigators would be more or less useless to a corporations in house department.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205260)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:42 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

what's stupid about it? most people at any top biglaw firm will not make partner, for one reason or another. so, it makes good sense to focus on what kind of options each biglaw firm will open up later on.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205291)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:43 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

oh, i'm just saying it's so specific to your practice area/client contacts taht generalizations as between *firms* is dumb.

e.g. Thacher Proffitt will provide much better exit options into e.g. the securitization divisions of the top i-banks than will wachtell, since wachtell just doesn't do much of that.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205298)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:47 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

yeah that's very true, the whole practice groups thing. but cravath is supposedly pretty strong in almost all their groups, if not the very highest firm.

how about credit markets, especially junk bond trading. any idea if any law firms get involved with the legal end of that? that's been kinda catching my interest lately.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205308)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:49 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

Latham & Watkins immediately comes to mind with respect to that.

Find out which firms act as counsel to the banks that issue thsoe securities.

Drexel Burnham Lambert was tops in that, but then they split-- mostly to DLJ-LA, and a few to UBS-LA. DLJ LA became CSFB LA. I think Latham does most of their work.

Therefore, if you want to be a big dick doing junk bond issuances, much better to go to the Latham than e.g. Wachtell. I don't think Cravath does too much of this, but i'm not sure-- i know they do tons of M&A.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205317)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:52 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

oh yeah drexel burnham lambert, michael milken and all that. his odd-looking face is on my desk top at the moment!

latham, that's actually the first biglaw firm i ever heard of. they have a chicago office too, i wonder if that office gets involved in low grade bond issues and stuff.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205323)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:56 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

i doubt that their chicago office does much of that. you can find out more about that during an interview.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205334)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:00 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

interesting, thanks.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205353)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:49 PM
Author: Contagious fortuitous meteor public bath

The vast majority of Drexel's work was done by Irell and Manella--not Latham. Milken's little brother was an associate there before he split to join Milken and then establish his own hedge fun. He maintained close ties to Irell after leaving.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2207621)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:45 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

I thought you want to go to WLRK or K&E?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205301)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:46 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

i don't think he knows what he wants, nttiawwt.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205305)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:48 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

i just mean the top biglaw firms in general, not necessarily cravath in particular.

never having gone to any of the firms it's pretty hard to say which one i'd pick, given the options. k&e is cool cuz i like chicago though.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205312)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:48 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205315)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:49 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

That post is for barzini. He's not even in law school yet he knows he wants to go to one of those two firms.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205319)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:53 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

you were right the first time, about me not knowing. those are just 2 firms i've heard a lot about and that sound kinda good.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205327)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:54 AM
Author: offensive arousing indian lodge boistinker

The chances are that both of them will reject you.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205329)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 3:56 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

i have no idea what my chances will be at either one, since i'm not in law school yet. considering how hard they're supposed to be though, yeah, not too many people have good shots.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205332)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:06 AM
Author: irradiated chestnut fat ankles

"i have no idea what my chances will be at either one, since i'm not in law school yet."

The fact taht you are not in law school bars you from opining on your chances at getting a job at one of these firms, yet the fact that you are not in law school does not bar you from acting as an expert on various other aspects of legal careers??

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205366)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:19 AM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

i never said i was an expert. in fact i've often said the opposite.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205408)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 9:26 AM
Author: Soul-stirring swollen space faggotry

why don't you just go to law school already?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205850)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:22 PM
Author: self-absorbed clown partner

uh, hello, acceptances are needed

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2210664)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 9:32 AM
Author: Amethyst Crusty Native Toaster

There's someone at CLS who transferred from Chicago Law. He's a gunner.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205856)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:27 AM
Author: Bisexual shivering base

Yeah, I know who you're talking about. Wasn't too sad to see him go, in all honesty.

But I know the OP, if he is who he says he is, and I'm surprised he'd post in such a way. Prove it: post the initials of one of the people you were supposed to live with this year before you bailed for New Haven.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205954)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:37 AM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206205)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 12:27 PM
Author: cobalt center selfie

Damn, MW, it's you (or a very good imposter). How you liking things?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206433)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 12:49 PM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206585)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 8:03 PM
Author: sinister dopamine

god damn, I can't wait! Posts like that make me so excited.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3005663)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:31 AM
Author: Razzmatazz church building brethren

Hey mwallens, your story reminds of what happened with Columbia and Cravath in the mid-90's. A bunch of the Columbia law review staff working at Cravath one summer had a horrible experience, spread the word about their dissatisfaction, and in the following year Cravath was not able to recruit anyone from Columbia. Obviously, Cravath has repaired its reputation with Columbia since then, but something similar might be happening with Yale. Peer assessments have a strong influence on people's decisionmaking.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205964)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:32 AM
Author: Aquamarine infuriating office puppy

people are dodging sweatshops like Cravath until they start ponying up the dough. Who wants to work 10 more hours a week for the same salary as SF, LA, Chicago, or DC?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205965)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:34 AM
Author: internet-worthy fragrant travel guidebook dysfunction

It seems very possible, if not likely, that people accepting 2L offers from NYC biglaw will be seeing higher base salaries from at least some NYC firms in the next year or two.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205971)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:38 AM
Author: Aquamarine infuriating office puppy

I don't think anyone wants to count on that until they see some proof. Cravath should have raised base years ago.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2205983)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:47 AM
Author: confused swashbuckling water buffalo

What the fuck is it with Wilmer?

We sent like 4 or 5 people there this past summer, and everyone who had an offer took it, turning down W&C among others.

What's the deal?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206245)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:51 AM
Author: Aquamarine infuriating office puppy

three words: unlimited free blowjobs.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206268)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:56 AM
Author: Razzmatazz church building brethren

I obviously chose to work at the wrong place.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206285)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:59 AM
Author: Aquamarine infuriating office puppy

yup. it is amazing. you will see Wilmer mentioned in the same breath with Watchtell soon.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206301)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 12:27 PM
Author: Bateful charcoal locale preventive strike

Mwallens -

On the interview circuit, did you meet any Chicago grads who seemed offended (perhaps that's too strong of a word) by your decision to transfer?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206431)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 12:48 PM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206563)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 1:17 PM
Author: Flushed national crotch

Hey MW,

I'm going to be a 1L at YLS this fall. I'm not really interested in academia or clerking at all, and it seems like that isn't your path either. That said, do you find it a bit suffocating over there, and are you able to have your needs/interests met?

Thanks.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206733)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 1:27 PM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206811)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 1:57 PM
Author: Maize tripping national security agency

Congrats on Susman, I know someone headed there as well.

What was the Susman yield at YLS? Did many interview there?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2206983)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 2:51 PM
Author: emerald ape



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2207291)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:41 PM
Author: excitant chest-beating trailer park

mwallens - where are the other YLS transfers from? I heard there's one from GW and one from Emory. Do you know what their class rank was?

I'm just curious since I applied and was rejected as a transfer.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2207987)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:55 PM
Author: Maize tripping national security agency

What was your class rank?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2208098)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 4:56 PM
Author: excitant chest-beating trailer park

Numero uno.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2208109)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 5:18 PM
Author: Maize tripping national security agency

and you got dinged? damn.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2208312)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 6:21 PM
Author: cobalt center selfie

Hey, MWallens, same is true at Chicago.... even though the "yield" was higher than one, Cravath had to go pretty deep into the class to get people. No L.Rev'ers at CSM from the U of C.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2208803)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:35 PM
Author: titillating windowlicker stead

How deep?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2210427)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 10:49 PM
Author: Bisexual shivering base

People are pretty tight-lipped about grades here, but I'm pretty sure bottom 50%.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2210503)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 7:08 PM
Author: Lake Dragon

bullshit

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3005146)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 9:10 PM
Author: snowy mood

a little slow?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3006194)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 9:46 PM
Author: Rose Abode

I believe this

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3006487)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 9:48 PM
Author: mind-boggling area

actually i hear the same is true for all of ccn. sorry.

at any rate i cannot see why anyone would want to work there in the first place.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3006511)



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Date: February 25th, 2005 11:21 PM
Author: Azure ungodly temple

I'm at Fordham right now. Fordham definitely had one kid with the initials "J.C." transfer to Harvard.

Another Fordham Law student transferred to Yale either last summer or the summer before. Do you know that person, M.Wallens?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#2210655)



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Date: June 13th, 2005 9:11 PM
Author: buff toilet seat

Congrats, man.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=141092&forum_id=2#3006206)