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Northwestern SBA President Steps Down
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:34 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location What happened? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550893) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: Flesh thirsty police squad locale wtf? that's terrible. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550906) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location i just got the forward from a friend. I want to know what happened that caused this. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550912) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:39 PM Author: Flesh thirsty police squad locale not really for me to discuss, as a non NU student. But I met him and heard about him and he seemed like a really great guy. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550931) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location Oh, I've met him, he is a really nice guy...I'm just curious what happened this time. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550936) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:47 PM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story Up front: This is all hearsay and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I've heard it from people "in on it," so to speak.
Roberts came to campus for awhile and as part of that there was some sort of relatively intimate food-related event (dinner, lunch, whatever) where "student leadership" could come.
(Now ex) Prez is charged with choosing who gets to come. You transferred, you probably remember him. Good guy but pretty conservative. Anyway, he chooses something like SBA, FedSoc, ACS, but then he included Thomas More society rep (which only has like 6 members) and some other "blah" organizations. He also had a couple discretionary spots and, among those, chose the girl he was fucking. He didn't choose BLSA (huge, especially given the school's "commitment to diversity"), LLSA (like 40% of the school), and all the other LSAs.
When confronted, he says something along the lines of "the LSAs don't contribute as much to the school and didn't really need to be represented." Lots of speculation as to what he said, but I (obviously) can't say for sure. Minority groups say he said they were irrelevant, FedSoc'ers come to his aid and say his statements weren't like that and even what was said was out of context.
Race riots at NU. Stay tuned |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:48 PM Author: dashing address Reply
Date: February 5th, 2007 9:47 PM Author: leisure suit lonestar (pioneer speakers bumpin' as i smoke on a pound)
Up front: This is all hearsay and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I've heard it from people "in on it," so to speak.
Roberts came to campus for awhile and as part of that there was some sort of relatively intimate food-related event (dinner, lunch, whatever) where "student leadership" could come.
(Now ex) Prez is charged with choosing who gets to come. You transferred, you probably remember him. Seems like a good guy but pretty conservative. Anyway, he chooses something like SBA, FedSoc, ACS, but then he included Thomas More society rep (which only has like 6 members) and some other "blah" organizations. He also had a couple discretionary spots and, among those, chose the girl he was fucking. He didn't choose BLSA (huge, especially given the school's "commitment to diversity"), LLSA (like 40% of the school), and all the other LSAs.
When confronted, he says something along the lines of "the LSAs don't contribute as much to the school and didn't really need to be represented." Lots of speculation as to what he said, but I (obviously) can't say for sure. Minority groups say he said they were irrelevant, FedSoc'ers come to his aid and say his statements weren't like that and even what was said was out of context.
Race riots at NU. Stay tuned |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location Thanks...that's the info I needed. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551002) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story yeah, np. you helped me out a lot a couple of years ago when choosing schools and stuff. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551012) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location I see you made a fine choice :D All we have to claim is Charney, and now that S&C's suing his ass...well, it's him v. Paul Hastings with discovery. I wonder who'll win that paper battle =) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551021) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:55 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location It's nights like this I miss the listserv. =( (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551032) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:54 PM Author: Exhilarant Regret Giraffe This sounds plausible, if unlikely. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551029) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:33 PM Author: Aromatic maize factory reset button It's something of a let-down, story-wise. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551258) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:48 PM Author: Exhilarant Regret Giraffe Sounds like he may have managed the fall-out poorly.
None the less, I hope none of it is true. |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: house-broken trailer park what a racist. esp. since BLSA is one of the strongest groups on any LS campus. can we get a list of the 'blah societies'? also, what is the 'thomas moore society'? they like to read 'utopia' or something? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551056) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:03 PM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story thomas more is the catholics. i didn't listen closely enough to the other groups b/c this 3L girl with a great chest was walking by and i was distracted. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551067) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:09 PM Author: Exhilarant Regret Giraffe He's certainly not a racist. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551089) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: Fragrant honey-headed church building sneaky criminal Correct. He's an outspoken conservative. He is absolutely not a racist. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7555021) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:48 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point LOL. that's like saying cali jewboy faggot george allen isn't a racist, he just likes lynchings and the confederate flag. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557084) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:18 PM Author: racy blathering heaven blsa has virtually no people at asu. just saying... (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551146) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:22 PM Author: supple marketing idea doesn't sound racist at all. why should he practice affirmative action? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551179) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:21 PM Author: supple marketing idea sounds like he made the right calls. if people wanted LSAs represented they should have elected someone who thinks they're important. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551172) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:52 PM Author: Curious piazza famous landscape painting maybe he wanted roberts to be surrounded at dinner by ppl who thought he was cool it's not as if it was someone blacks and latinos could really dig, like thomas or kennedy. |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 2:21 AM Author: galvanic burgundy half-breed He's a racist. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559059) |
Date: February 5th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: racy blathering heaven oh my god!
call cnn! |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: angry umber garrison LOL, TITCR.
Who gives a fuck about anyone's SBA president? |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location I just want to know why he had to step down, bitches. Share! (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550951) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:47 PM Author: racy blathering heaven i've got my best gumshoes on it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550988) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:44 PM Author: racy blathering heaven did the student body accept his resignation? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550962) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:45 PM Author: Exhilarant Regret Giraffe WTF happened? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550976) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:45 PM Author: Thriller sadistic selfie was it because of the failure of the surge? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7550977) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: house-broken trailer park link? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551020) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:53 PM Author: Laughsome Bearded Location I got it from an email forward. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551023) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:23 PM Author: arrogant school cafeteria nowag someone post his resignation email (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551190) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:24 PM Author: supple marketing idea yes (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551197) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:56 PM Author: razzle fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap Anyone who wastes their time on shit like SBA should be required to get 'douchewad' tattoed across their face. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551441) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 11:03 PM Author: chocolate odious area yup
and people who feel any effect by their SBA rep step down might want to check themselves to |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 10:57 PM Author: razzle fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551447) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 11:01 PM Author: house-broken trailer park what's an SBA? is that some sort of gasoline? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551477) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 11:01 PM Author: Curious piazza famous landscape painting stands for sexy badass if you know what I mean (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7551484) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 1:41 AM Author: Clear Zombie-like Crackhouse Sucks. He's a cool guy. My e-mail is flooded with people bitching about it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7552458) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:15 AM Author: Exhilarant Regret Giraffe Any more news on this? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7553134) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 1:05 PM Author: Fragrant honey-headed church building sneaky criminal "To provide some background: There was a breakfast last Thursday with Chief Justice Roberts to which a number of academic and student-government leaders were invited. The administration asked me to recommend a list of 10-15 "academic and community leaders" to attend this breakfast. The administration had the final word on the invitees; this should be obvious given the nature of the event, the addition of 10 students to my initial recommendations, and the fact that my recommendations had to be cleared with the administration. I was never told that the intent was to invite the leaders of every student organization. The students at that breakfast were an undeniably diverse cross-section of the Northwestern Law community. These students were invited not as racial representatives, but because of their leadership on the law journals, in student government, and in student organizations with leadership positions open to members of any ethnicity. Nonetheless, the leader of one of the ethnicity-oriented student groups – a person I have always considered a friend - shouted me down in the Atrium for overlooking the leaders of these groups. He told me that I took the opportunity of a lifetime away from him. . . . During what can only be described loosely as a conversation, I stated my belief that our community would be better off if all student organizations were organized around ideas, and not ethnicity. It is this off-hand remark that is the primary justification for my being forced from office.
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"The complete list of students that I recommended for the breakfast: The SBA Executive Board and 1L Rep, Law Review board members, 2 Editors-in-Chief of academic journals, Federalist Society President, Fed Soc Board Member who has been exceptionally active on SBA Committees and in SFPIF, ACS President, STMS President. After two students responded that they could not attend, and in response to concerns that only two 1Ls were included in a group of 28, I recommended two 1Ls active on SBA and in student organizations. Of my 18 recommendations, at least 6 were of diverse ethnic background. The administration approved ALL of these recommendations in addition to inviting at least 10 students without my recommendation." |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 1:54 PM Author: abusive field He should not have yielded to the pressure. He was right. It seems like the person who made a fuss was more concerned about personally losing out on "the opportunity of a lifetime" than anything else. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554402) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 1:58 PM Author: Fragrant honey-headed church building sneaky criminal "I have only resigned my title because the administration and the SBA Executive Board have forced my hand. The SBA Executive Board and school administration asked me to step down as SBA President with only a month left in my tenure, largely because I have expressed beliefs that are unpopular with some members of our community. Some think that my expression of these beliefs makes me unfit to perform the duties of my office. I disagree with those who have asked me to step down, and initially refused; offering instead to accept a dramatically reduced role in the SBA's decision making process in recognition of the impact of my expression of these beliefs. The administration and Executive Board did not accept my offer. I was told that if I did not step down the administration would have stripped me of any official duty that it could strip me of – they would cease meeting with me as SBA President, and would have prohibited me from representing the school at graduation, law board meetings, admitted student weekend, and other events where the SBA President traditionally plays a role. In addition, the administration would have released a letter to the public explaining these restrictions – and describing my words (discussed below) as "derogatory remarks." Cliff Zimmerman showed me two different versions of this letter; the version to be released if I stepped down being significantly kinder in its wording. The administration reached its conclusion to take this course of action without once bringing me, the Executive Board, administration members, and complaining parties into the same room. Finally, the Executive Board would have conducted a plebiscite on whether I was fit to hold what would have been left of the office of SBA President – the title. Given the costs of going through with this process, it should be clear that I have only "stepped down" from my position in the most technical sense." (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554417) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:01 PM Author: abusive field Very interesting and well written. anything else you haven't posted?
Who was the complaining party? |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: Light parlour Subject: archive post Date: February 6th, 2007 1:58 PM Author: I am slow
"I have only resigned my title because the administration and the SBA Executive Board have forced my hand. The SBA Executive Board and school administration asked me to step down as SBA President with only a month left in my tenure, largely because I have expressed beliefs that are unpopular with some members of our community. Some think that my expression of these beliefs makes me unfit to perform the duties of my office. I disagree with those who have asked me to step down, and initially refused; offering instead to accept a dramatically reduced role in the SBA's decision making process in recognition of the impact of my expression of these beliefs. The administration and Executive Board did not accept my offer. I was told that if I did not step down the administration would have stripped me of any official duty that it could strip me of – they would cease meeting with me as SBA President, and would have prohibited me from representing the school at graduation, law board meetings, admitted student weekend, and other events where the SBA President traditionally plays a role. In addition, the administration would have released a letter to the public explaining these restrictions – and describing my words (discussed below) as "derogatory remarks." Cliff Zimmerman showed me two different versions of this letter; the version to be released if I stepped down being significantly kinder in its wording. The administration reached its conclusion to take this course of action without once bringing me, the Executive Board, administration members, and complaining parties into the same room. Finally, the Executive Board would have conducted a plebiscite on whether I was fit to hold what would have been left of the office of SBA President – the title. Given the costs of going through with this process, it should be clear that I have only "stepped down" from my position in the most technical sense."
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:10 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone he deserved his pwn4ge. in such a liberal, racially-charged environment like a typical american law school, especially a TTT one like NU, an SBA president should know better than to express his beliefs against ethnic diversity for its own sake. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554461) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:04 PM Author: Light parlour Subject: archive post Date: February 6th, 2007 1:05 PM Author: I am slow
"To provide some background: There was a breakfast last Thursday with Chief Justice Roberts to which a number of academic and student-government leaders were invited. The administration asked me to recommend a list of 10-15 "academic and community leaders" to attend this breakfast. The administration had the final word on the invitees; this should be obvious given the nature of the event, the addition of 10 students to my initial recommendations, and the fact that my recommendations had to be cleared with the administration. I was never told that the intent was to invite the leaders of every student organization. The students at that breakfast were an undeniably diverse cross-section of the Northwestern Law community. These students were invited not as racial representatives, but because of their leadership on the law journals, in student government, and in student organizations with leadership positions open to members of any ethnicity. Nonetheless, the leader of one of the ethnicity-oriented student groups – a person I have always considered a friend - shouted me down in the Atrium for overlooking the leaders of these groups. He told me that I took the opportunity of a lifetime away from him. . . . During what can only be described loosely as a conversation, I stated my belief that our community would be better off if all student organizations were organized around ideas, and not ethnicity. It is this off-hand remark that is the primary justification for my being forced from office.
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"The complete list of students that I recommended for the breakfast: The SBA Executive Board and 1L Rep, Law Review board members, 2 Editors-in-Chief of academic journals, Federalist Society President, Fed Soc Board Member who has been exceptionally active on SBA Committees and in SFPIF, ACS President, STMS President. After two students responded that they could not attend, and in response to concerns that only two 1Ls were included in a group of 28, I recommended two 1Ls active on SBA and in student organizations. Of my 18 recommendations, at least 6 were of diverse ethnic background. The administration approved ALL of these recommendations in addition to inviting at least 10 students without my recommendation."
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:06 PM Author: Fragrant honey-headed church building sneaky criminal No need to cut and paste, as I can't imagine deleting this. I'm just relaying information to those who might be interested. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554445) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:21 PM Author: silver degenerate what a idiot. Leaders of LSAs are usually very involved and top notch students. Clearly they are "community leaders." More so than TTT EICs of secondary journals.
What a maroon. Selfinterestpwnd.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:27 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone this is basically right. but isn't the administration complicit? initially, they effectively blessed his choices, but after a couple loud students complained that those choices were unfair or unseemly, the administration backtracked and decided to crucify mr. SBA. very wimpy. or disingenuous. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554543) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: abusive field The administration also left the complaintants of their own list. If they gave him the choice, they should live with it. They also shouldn't force him out for having unpopular opinions. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554802) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone i wonder who the administration's choices were. (or at least whether they were "racially representative.")
"If they gave him the choice, they should live with it. They also shouldn't force him out for having unpopular opinions."
i don't think they're really "forcing him out for having unpopular opinions." i think they're responding to the growing perception that his "unpopular opinions" are actually hurting members of certain groups. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:11 PM Author: abusive field We must be missing part of the story. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554897) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:30 PM Author: Fragrant honey-headed church building sneaky criminal My limited understanding is that the Pres' choices were racially representative. From the information released to us, it appears that the "diversity people" on the original list made up 6/18 slots. I don't know about the 10 added by the administration. It does not appear that those numbers were out of proportion to the student body as a whole. If anything, a higher percentage of "diversity people" made the breakfast than would be warranted if we were going by a straight percentage. Of course, I don't know what counts as "diversity people," so these numbers may be inaccurate.
My impression is that most people are upset with the way this situation has been handled. They aren't on board with the Pres' remarks, but the idea of the administration removing a popularly-elected leader over something like this has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:51 PM Author: multi-colored legend step-uncle's house "I would dismantle all of your groups. If it were up to me there would be no LLSA, BLSA, Salsa and Apalsa, because they don’t bring anything to the community"
If this is actually what the SBA president said, I could see why members of the "LSA" communities would be upset and ask for his removal. These comments seem to indicate that the speaker may be more than "outspoken," and for an SBA president it's debatably (likely?) inappropriate. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:15 PM Author: big indigo locus Which was the chick he was boning ("the exceptionally active" person) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7554923) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:31 PM Author: Swashbuckling ticket booth Probably. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7555006) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:34 PM Author: abusive field It would be hilarious if it was the St. Thomas Moore President. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7555026) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: Very tactful diverse dysfunction if so, she wasn't a looker: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/federalist/board.asp (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7555024) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:47 PM Author: Exhilarant Regret Giraffe If he's still boning the same chick, she's hot. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7555101) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 3:51 PM Author: Very tactful diverse dysfunction not if she's one of the chicks on that page...they don't look like his type, judging from his pic on the sba page (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7555129) |
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Date: February 8th, 2007 3:30 PM Author: Violet dead temple fanboi too bad for him it wasn't that Emily Ho. If it was he might not be getting this much shit. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7567635) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 5:58 PM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story NOW ON WSJ BLOGS
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/02/06/breakfast-of-controversy/ |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Seems like they didn't go into as much detail.
Has a copy of the full email been posted yet? |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 6:49 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Wow is this horsecrap. NU delegated the process to him (certainly to avoid this sort of reaction against themselves), apparently didn't give him selection criteria, approved his selections, and made additional selections of their own (thus also not selecting the complaining parties), and then had the gall to overreact to shift the blame to the poor student.
What a bunch of assholes |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth I feel very bad for this guy, though it sounds like he hasn't gone down without a fight since it seems like he called out the administration in his resignation email. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556776) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story good guy, took care of shit. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556823) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 7:01 PM Author: bat shit crazy public bath kitty Subject: NU at the crossroads Like all liberal institutions, NU is at the crossroads. The current "diversity" regime that it labors under is effectively a quota system; whenever certain minorities are not given their seat at the table, as they have come to expect, they scream racism. And the knee-jerk administration has to respond, otherwise it risks being labeled racist.
NU would do well to institute, at all levels, a quota system in admissions, employment, scholarships, tenure, law review, and breakfasts with Supreme Court justices. "Commitment to diversity" is essentially a quota system and should finally, honestly, be spoken of as such. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth From the WSJ comments it sounds like minorities did get a seat at the table though -- just not the *leaders* of these speific groups. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556770) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: silver degenerate I think thats the point. He has shown his hostility to minorities who identify as "minority." This wasn't his chance to "promote" just the minorities he likes or make a point about student groups formed around ethnic criteria. If he were president of the Feds or the Law School Republicans it would be fine, but he is president of the entire school body and its representative organizations. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556822) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:18 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth It doesn't sound like he did anything wrong though -- the administration asked him to pick people to go to this thing, he picked people, they approved of his picks, and then the administration itself picked quite a few additional students, none of whom were the people complaining.
If you're going to attack anyone here, it should be NU administration for 1) giving this guy discretionary selections w/o giving him any sort of guidelines for who to pick 2) not properly "balancing" the list of invitees themselves when they made their own selections after he made his and 3) instead of taking responsibility for their screwup, forcing this guy to resign and take all the blame for something that was the administration's fault to begin with. |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:52 AM Author: bright glittery stag film No dude, he fucked up. I realize I may be talking to one of the few that enjoy the racist threads on this board, but as the SBA prez he should have known better than to make his selections from all but the ethnic lsa's. Regardless of the fact that the administration was going to select other students, he should have taken it upon himself to make sure a diverse group of top students would be present in such a valued event. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558904) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:06 PM Author: silver degenerate this isnt about "diversity" or "quotas". Its about the SBA president blatantly ignoring school community leaders because he thinks thepr groups "shouldnt exist." His attitude is hostile to say the least. Not the kind of guy that is supposed to represent the whole school not just people who dont identify with an ethnicity.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:13 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth But it shouldn't have been some big secret that he held these views, and he got elected anyway. Elections have consequences, even student government elections, so if the LALSA/BLSA/etc. orgs want greater influence they should make winning those elections a higher priority. The same would go if it was the other way around and some hardcore liberal SBA president excluded Fed Soc / St. Thomas More / etc. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556846) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:16 PM Author: silver degenerate I doubt that his radical views were common knowledge. SBA campaigns are usually about getting more candy machines installed and extending library hours, not about dismantling student organizations that have existed since before he was born.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:23 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth But he hasn't actually tried to dismantle them, has he?
I still don't see how he did anything truly wrong here. The administration told him to pick people to meet with CJ Roberts--without giving him any sort of guidelines for who should be picked--and he picked them. After he made his picks, the administration added a lot of other students, none of whom were the BLSA/LALSA/etc. leaders. Now that those leaders complain, this guy gets used as a scapegoat by the administration.
He probably exercised bad judgment in being honest as to why he didn't pick the BLSA/LALSA/etc. leaders. However, it seems like the real villain here is the NU administration, who is trying to save face by forcing this guy to resign, letting him get painted as some sort of racist, etc. when the whole thing (at least from how it's been reported here and on the WSJ) is really their fault. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Exactly. For the life of me, I can't figure out what he did wrong. Maybe he picked too many SBA members, but that should be expected since that's the organization he represents. It was a big event, and of course people are going to be pissed they weren't invited, but that's no excuse to potentially scar his career. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556970) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: bat shit crazy public bath kitty What he did wrong was to not select the leaders and then, in conversation with the LLSA leader, actually say that he wanted to select leaders that Justice Roberts would find impressive. Peter said that, in his opinion, he thought that student groups should be organized around ideas and not around race, and that the current race-based groups were "irrelevant."
In an email to the student body, the LLSA president said that he immediately documented this conversation with Peter and then took this documentation to Cliff Zimmerman, the Associate Dean who also selected students to attend the Roberts breakfast. Although details are sketchy, Zimmerman apparently was in contact with members of other raced-based student groups and without bringing all the parties together to either define the conflict or work things out, decided to strip Peter of his presidency. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth The Cliff Zimmerman stuff really surprises me -- I've exchanged emails with him over the Madame Cunt stupidity, and he seemed like a really decent guy who was very pleasant to deal with. I'm surprised that he'd take the sort of action being described here, unless there's more to this story that hasn't come out yet. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557088) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Then I don't get why this is a university issue. He was delegated a task and used the discretion granted to him as SBA President to complete it. Similarly, the university also used their discretion in selecting 10 students that were not LSA leaders.
If there is an issue with his views not being in-line with the other students, then let the SBA deal with it. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:47 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth If the goal was to have a broad cross-section of leaders represented they should have the Dean of Students pick the leaders... unless the admin realized that no matter who got picked there'd be protesting, so they threw it to the SBA president so there'd be a scapegoat.
I guess that's what I really hate about this whole thing -- the SBA president was forced into a situation by the administration where no matter what he did he'd get attacked or villifed by some segment of the student body, and the administration, rather than accepting responsibility for causing the problem in the first place, proactively made things worse by giving him the choice of resigning and having a not-so-harsh email sent to the student body, or not resigning and having a very harsh email sent to the student body. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:53 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage It also doesn't make sense that there wasn't some sort of process involved. Why not set up some sort of board or panel or whatever, let them investigate, and then make a decision. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557128) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone and what would that panel decide, exactly? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557141) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Agreed, but from what was described above, the dean acted without any significant form of process. He simply didn't consider what sort of effect this crap could have on the SBA President's career. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557168) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:03 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone this is a good point, but what kind of effect would it have? are people calling him a racist or something? (and wouldn't being labeled a racist actually make him more marketable to GDC?) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557204) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Just the fact that there's an official university action gives credence to the allegations. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557230) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:13 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth From the emails it sounds like the action might have been from the SBA rather than the admin, though it seems like the admin played a big role. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557286) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:34 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage The email from the admin puts an official stamp on everything and was completely unnecessary - from what it appears it could have been handled at the student level. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557447) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: bat shit crazy public bath kitty Subject: Wrong Completely inaccurate. Peter has been a very outspoken supporter of the Bush administration, a critic of some of the lefty groups on campus and their underhanded tactics, etc. He constantly expresses his opinions on the listserv as well as in person, and although I disagree with about everything he says, I think he expresses himself in a respectful, intelligent manner always. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557019) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth If this is the case, it sounds like people got who they elected. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557115) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: Vigorous pistol institution Why should he pick assholes like Kevin Strom for anything. They told him to pick student body leaders so he picked the SBA leaders and some of his friends.
There probably was not enough space for every LSA President (2 for LLSA) and the SBA leadership. If he picked just a few minority group presidents the shit would have rightly hit the fan.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:21 PM Author: Amber library Upon deep reflection on this matter I realize that all debate is pointless until the exact contents of the conversation between him and the leader of the group in question becomes known.
As it stands, this is a coinflip. XOXO, I charge you to discover the facts that remain hidden. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:25 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Yeah, more details are needed -- it doesn't seem like the whole resignation email itself has been posted yet.
However from the excerpts posted and the stuff reported on WSJ, it really seems like this guy got a very raw deal from the administration. Then again, it seems clear that this guy isn't going down without a fight so for all we know he's leaking all the stuff that paints him in a positive light and everything else just hasn't come out yet... |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Amber library Correct. This seems like an extreme reaction by the administration on the given facts, which leads me to believe that there are hidden material facts. As a general rule, administrations are wary of deposing student elected officials (particularly if they do not have suitable army to fully effect the coup d'etat). (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556949) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: Vigorous pistol institution There is an email from the Dean that picked the other (non LLSA) people too. Somebody needs to post these. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556964) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: Vigorous pistol institution The WSJ blog has quotes from both. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556944) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Amber library While true, I suspect there is much that remains unrevealed. Things are not matching up as nicely as I would like. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556956) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:34 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Unless he made an incredibly racist comment, I just see no reason for the university to get involved. He's allowed to have an opinion - let the student body handle itself if need be... (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556987) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:05 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop i say let the student body handle it by their own bylaws. If they want to impeach him or whatever, and they have a procedure for that then they should go ahead (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559231) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:26 PM Author: Flesh thirsty police squad locale This is so sad. Peter loses, and what the minority groups don't realize is that by acting this way, they're losing too. I suspect a lot of people are furious aobut this, although they may never say so out loud. The northwestern minority community did not conduct themselves favorably here. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556940) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn The minority groups win big here.
No one will ever dare challenge anything they want on any level. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: Amber library Thereby forcing those who resent this turn of events to implement tacit instituional racism. That's ok, I suppose we can wait a few more centuries for an open racial dialogue. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556966) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn Good thing people are only in law school for three years. Not enough time to institutionalize the backlash but plenty effective in having the administration guarantee future Presidents of LALSA a seat at the table.
Win-win. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:39 PM Author: Amber library Eh, I can see members of the administration and faculty having a problem with this.
Also, previous SBA scandals have a habit of holding on longer than the shelf-life of the standard student. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Yeah, and things last a long time on the internets. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557157) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:06 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop i think you're exaggerating the effect of complaining about this (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559233) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: silver degenerate I dont get it. The president of the SBA tells the president of an ALSA that they shouldnt exist and you dont think they are going to react?
All the president had to say was, I screwed up, i didnt htink you guys would be interested given Roberts political leanings. Instead he goes out on his soapbox and trashes the minority groups. NOT COOL! |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:33 PM Author: Vigorous pistol institution Way to stereotype minorities as liberals, racist. NOT COOL! (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7556973) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: Flesh thirsty police squad locale He expressed a point of view. I don't believe he was given the option to apologize. I'm not an NU student so I could be wrong on that, but as far as I know, no oportunity was given.
I did not say that I did not think they would react. I said that the reaction they chose was unwise. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: Amber library The only relevant issue is whether he acquited his duties in an appropriate manner. In this instance, it would appear he did, particularly in light of the administration's approval of his decision. As long as he met the requirements placed upon him, the subsequent conversation should really have no bearing on the matter.
To the extent that he should suffer some consequence or censure for his actions during the subsequent conversation, the source of such punishment should be the student body, and certainly not the administration. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone this is where you're wrong. i agree that his actions, initially at least, weren't all that bad given the fact that the administration basically approved them. but his subsequent comments trashing other groups indicates not only some sort of bias on his part, but also a whole lot of immaturity and a lack of common sense, all quite unbecoming an SBA president. for all intents and purposes, SBA president is an "official" position, and any punishment he receives in that capacity should be meted out by an official disciplinary body - i.e., the administration or one of its arms. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557102) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: Amber library I think we're on the same page here, at least up until the point where you arrive at the conclusion that the official disciplinary body in this situation in the administration. I am fairly certain that NU has a SB constitution that contemplates officer misconduct and I would be very surprised if the recourse was the administration.
The administration has basically stuck its nose in where it didn't belong. And even if it did belong, the means by which it accomplished its goal is appalling. The utter lack of process is unbecoming an institution of higher learning of NU's caliber.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:44 PM Author: silver degenerate Lets review
Admins tells SBA president to pick school "academic and COMMUNITY LEADERS."
He willfully doesn't pick ALSA "leaders" because he doesn't think those groups should exist in his perfect colorblind world.
He instead picks a few tokens and gets his buddies in. Then when confronted over his blatant lack of "presidential" diplomacy, he tells one of these ALSA leaders his group is crap.
Nice.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:48 PM Author: Amber library Your cherry picked facts do an excellent job of misrepresenting the issue, which is actually much more muddled.
That aside, my main issue is administration response, which is completely unacceptable as far as I am concerned. This is an elected official and he should have to face those who elected him for consequences. I absolutely hate administrations that stick their noses in where they really have no place. The leaders of the offended groups should have the responsibility of orchestrating change. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:04 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point no, he actually did a fairly good job of describing the situation. the situation is not muddled at all. people aren't upset that he didn't institute racial quotas, the whole drama stems from the fact that he said student organization groups centered around race are irrelevant. Whether you agree with this statement or not, he shows a lack of judgment. Not only that, his email is an incredible display of faggotry. He takes zero blame for his actions and can't even be honest enough to admit what he said. "During what can only be described loosely as a conversation, I stated my belief that our community would be better off if all student organizations were organized around ideas, and not ethnicity. It is this off-hand remark that is the primary justification for my being forced from office. " Loosely as a conversation? Better off if all student organizations organized around ideas and not ethnicity? He's trying to sugarcoat what he said but it's pretty fucking obvious given the other information. You don't say stupid shit like certain organizations shouldn't exist and then expect no repercussions. Especially when those organizations are centered around race. It makes you seem like a racist faggot. You could argue the NAACP is a group centered around race and yet obviously if he spoke out against that and said that it shouldn't exist he'd obviously have to resign from being a stupid cunt alone. He got everything he deserved. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:14 PM Author: Amber library I think it comes down to what is the central issue: whether the persons he selected for the breakfast were appropriate, or whether his subsequent comments/actions merit punishment. I realize they're very likely connected, but, as to the first issue, I think it is pretty unclear whether what he did warranted his removal. As to the latter issue, I agree with you that he deserves some sort of response, but I believe that the response should come from the students rather than the administration. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557287) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:28 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point after reading the exchanges in GTO's thread, it's obvious this guy is a faggot.
Notice how in Peter Pattakos' email he never quotes what he supposedly said. He also prefaces it by saying he was tired from the night before as if to soften te blow. I'm inclined to believe the other guy, kevin strom who says: "I would dismantle all of your groups. If it were up to me there would be
no LLSA, BLSA, Salsa and Apalsa, because they don't bring anything to the
community, and they contribute to racial identity politics."
These comments merit having him step down. This is what the flap is about. They already had te breakfast, they weren't going to ask him to step down after the fact. It's obvious his retarded justifications is what prompted his canning. The faggot got what he deserved. Maybe the school should have had a recall vote or something, but otherwise how the hell are the students going to have enough bite to make their response sufficient? |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:30 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth From the exchange it sounds like there would have been a recall vote if he hadn't resigned. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557425) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:29 PM Author: bat shit crazy public bath kitty The only "lack of judgment" was his refusal to censor himself in a one-on-one conversation with a fellow student, who promptly documented the situation, ran to a Dean, and complained that he, as a minority, felt marginalized.
I support other NU students to express their opinions on race-based student organizations, in one-on-one conversations with members of those groups, and outside the control and "mediation" of the administration. Maybe then we can have an honest dialogue about race in American law schools. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:35 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone it's one thing to say that race-based student orgs keep students apart rather than bring them together. but it's quite another to say that entire student organizations are silly and "irrelevant," and that they should be dismantled for these reasons. only one statement, the former, qualifies as the sort of mature response one would expect to hear in an "honest," civilized discussion "about race in American law schools." (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557460) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:40 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point Don't be a retarded inbred faggot. He was having a conversation with a fellow student in his official capacity as President in the context of SBA affairs. They weren't two students shooting the shit at a bar in downtown. If you express unpopular views in your official capacity, people are going to hold you to it. Don't whine like a bitch, recant, and then paraphrase things to mitigate what you said when you realize there are repercussions to what you say.
They were having an honest dialogue and he got pwn3d because of it and deservedly so. What else can he say under the guise of "honest dialogue"? Slavery is a legitimate political system? Lynching is a justified form of vigilante justice? Minorities should be forced into concentration camps if people from their ancestral lands do bad stuff to America?
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:57 PM Author: Cordovan boyish gay wizard Right sonic because those remarks are in the offensive ballpark of what he said.
He took a position regarding the influence and effectiveness of certain law student organizations on campus. He is probably wrong, but there is nothing racist about making that kind of assesment. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point sorry buddy i don't get it. So you're saying he should censor himself if it's too offensive but not when it's only a little offensive? Also i don't understand your point. So you're saying Pattakos should have freedom of speech but Kevin Strom shouldn't have freedom to act? What is your position exactly? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557611) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:14 PM Author: Mind-boggling flirting shitlib theatre Freedom of speech implies freedom from consequences of speech. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557677) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:34 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop people have a right to complain as well (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559311) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: cruel-hearted vibrant jewess This wasn't his first incident with diversity issues. The day after the Saddam execution he sent an email celebrating what a great day it was for the world. At the end of the email, he quoted a rap lyric that included the N word. Some black students of course expressed outrage. He at first gave a half assed apology and the next day retracted his apology saying the word had been "taken back" by the black community.
I think this incident certainly contributed to the Administration asking him to step down. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:00 PM Author: Amber library A compelling additional fact, thank you. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557179) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Okay, I figured there was a lot more to it than this one incident. This explains a lot, though honestly they should have taken action after *that* incident instead of doing what they did here.
Also makes me wonder why they put someone like that in charge of deciding who goes to this event. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:15 PM Author: cruel-hearted vibrant jewess Apparently the responsibility of selecting the attendees was for the entire SBA executive board but he made the decisions himself without consulting the rest of the board. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557304) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:21 PM Author: Floppy Ebony Friendly Grandma Travel Guidebook Incorrect, they asked him specifically. He said so at the meeting today and the rest of the SBA board did not correct him. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557729) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage Simply more evidence that the University fucked up in giving him the task in the first place. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557195) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:03 PM Author: silver degenerate Young right wingers are funny.
sounds like a huge douche |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:06 PM Author: cruel-hearted vibrant jewess Yea, I actually really liked him at first. However, listening to his Iraq/conservative viewpoints is like listening to the Fox News talking points. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557223) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:06 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone quoting a nigger lyric in an email to the entire class? balls or stupidity? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557219) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: Amber library I believe the proper question is: Shrewd or decadent?
I'm firmly in the decadent camp on this one. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: cruel-hearted vibrant jewess It was stupid and I think just a simple mistake at first. However, instead of just apologizing and letting it be he had to justify his actions. And then he made everything 100 times worse by retracting his apology. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557234) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:15 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn What type of TTT has these type of emails going out to the entire school? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557297) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:17 PM Author: cruel-hearted vibrant jewess Exactly. He's the only right winger at school who chose to send an email celebrating a man's death. Kind of disturbing. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557324) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:18 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn Why are political emails of any sort going to the entire school?
All I get are notice of meetings. Even the Asians wanting books got listserve privileges revoked. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:31 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point that's because you're a faggot and nobody puts you on the regular list you inbred cunt (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557437) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:34 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn Faggot, cunt, and inbred all in the same sentence.
Hats off, sir. Hats off. |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 9:22 AM Author: soggy turquoise trump supporter den WHAT RAP LYRIC?!?!?
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!! |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:13 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth The full text of the emails are in this thread: Northwestern SBA President emails in this thread
They're all pretty long, so I put them in that thread instead of posting them all in here. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:33 PM Author: abusive field I bet he really regrets stepping down now that they have admitted they couldn't remove him and the WSJ is covering the story. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557446) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:37 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Sounds like he knew they couldn't remove him but resigned because they were going to make things very difficult (stop meeting with him, have a vote to strip him of his title, etc.). (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557472) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:16 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point A couple of things are clear from this:
1) The president at a bare minimum showed an incredible lack of judgment by picking his buddies and saying organizations composed of racial minorities shouldn't exist. Whether he believes it or not and whether it's true or not, it's an incredibly idiotic statement to make. He may as well have said faggot firefighters caused 9/11 pwnage. This alone means he should be removed.
2) Like George Allen and Trent Lott before him, he really compounded the problem and forced the administration's hand by denying he did anything wrong. If he apologized immediately and said he didn't mean it, he may have been able to keep his job. It's the defiance and refusal to admit you fucked up until it's too late that really screws you over. This idiot is in denial. "During what can only be described loosely as a conversation, I stated my belief that our community would be better off if all student organizations were organized around ideas, and not ethnicity. It is this off-hand remark that is the primary justification for my being forced from office. " He can't even admit to basic facts and is trying to twist it around. He's a slimey guy.
3) all of you inbred faggots are going to act like this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and use it to justify your own deep-seated racism and talk about liberalism gone too far, AA gone too far, how minorities are ruining the country, and yet ignore all the more obvious signs of your racism. You'll use this as an example of why you think people say racism exists when it's obviously not an example of racism, and deny the multiple threads here talking about blacks being loud in movie theaters, why blacks are violent, etc. etc. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:35 PM Author: Amber library I generally dislike you, but I think you're on target here, particularly in light of the e-mail from the leader of BLSA in the other thread. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557453) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:47 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point you dislike me because i make you confront that you inbred faggots are ten times more racist than I could ever be (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557519) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:05 PM Author: Amber library I dislike you because you insist on employing inflammatory rhetoric, which crowds out the logic of your arguments, rather than provide the intellectual reasoning you are obviously capable of. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557613) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:11 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone blah blah blah. certain things need to be said. don't blame me for not being afraid to call a horse a horse. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557649) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:12 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point stop sucking my dick inbred, i'm not 12.
Logic is boring, i make it fun. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:38 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage In his defense, nothing's clear. You're taking a statement that he may or may not have made, interpreting it in the worst possible light, and assuming that he made his selections based upon that statement. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557476) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:43 PM Author: Amber library This was my original take, but after reading the long winded e-mails in the other thread I'm willing to come down against him. Also, I think it's very difficult to arrive at the conclusion that he made his selections entirely uneffected by his personal sentiments, particularly in light of the substantially greater prominence ethnically based groups enjoy on a typical campus.
I still think the student body should have had the sole responsbility of conducting the inquiry though. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:44 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone the student body isn't mature enough to conduct a fair inquiry. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557508) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:47 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Yeah, the emails make me less sympathetic towards the guy. Hoewver I agree that the administration shouldn't have been involved in this. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557522) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:48 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point the administration shouldn't be involved in how the president of the SBA conducts himself when his conduct affects others? then what the fuck should they be involved with? This is the chief justice of the United States. It's a law school. This isn't fucking meet your local public defender night. Get serious man
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:53 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone yeah, it really makes no sense at all. when a police officer acts inappropriately in his capacity as a police officer, who reprimands him? the police department's internal disciplinary division is charged with that duty, not the citizens he may have harmed. (not to mention the immunity shield which would void any private person's attempt to get at the officer legally.) the idea that the "administration shouldn't get involved here" is beyond ridiculous. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557546) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story police officers aren't elected by the people.
bad analogy. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:00 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone obviously this is a "distinction without a difference." think the analogy through a little while longer (or, if that doesn't work for you, substitute an appropriate elected official for police officer). (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557588) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:09 PM Author: Amber library The SBA should have conducted the inquiry, that matches exactly with the police analogy. THe administration is an entirely different beast that should have waited on the findings of the appropriate commission before coming down one way or another.
Also, I can almost gaurantee that there is a constitutional provision that deals with a situation such as this and that should be respected. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:18 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone well, if some SBA department or group of delegates conducts the inquiry, then they'd be acting as an arm (or "organ") of the administration. this is entirely different from having a random group of wild students hold a loud, public war-of-words where the president ends up beheaded. the administration - and the SBA's bylaws - would never let that happen because it understands that students are retards when it comes to shit like this. in any event, given the backlash against mr. SBA, do you really think a student would risk openly supporting the guy in some sort of investigative hearing? a team of disinterested administrators, or a delegated group of student officials (i.e., an SBA arm), is a much smarter way to go. i'm sure provision is made in th SBA constitution, if one exists, for what i've proposed. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557713) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:00 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage That's really all I'm saying. It appears the SBA was taking care of everything on their own, and if so, so be it. But the school sending that email puts out some kind of an official seal that he is a racist. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557592) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:45 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point Kevin Strom quoted what Greek Fag said after the exchange, had another student verify it, and went to the administration.
Greek Fag paraphrased what he said days after the fact.
If you had to bet, who would you think is telling the truth? Pattakos even admits in his email that he thinks groups shouldn't be centered around race. But groups are centered around race. It's not a huge logical leap to think he would say groups centered around race shouldn't exist. You could argue that saying groups shouldn't be centered around race is in fact saying groups that are shouldn't exist. It's a stupid thing to say. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:56 PM Author: Histrionic Submissive Menage My take is that he made his selections (primarily picking SBA members), didn't think anything of it, was later confronted, and during the conversation it came out that he didn't like the setup of the LSA groups. Everyone then latched on to this statement to mean that he wants to disband the groups and everything they stand for. I have no idea who this dude is, but from the emails, it appears nobody is accusing him of being a racist and that his selections did reflect the diversity of the student body.
No doubt the dude's a tool, but I think he's getting a raw deal and is being made a scapegoat for the University. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: Curious piazza famous landscape painting So what's the take of the White Law Students' Association on all this? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558048) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:42 AM Author: Exciting antidepressant drug jap I agree. He's a total retard for making the statements he made. And then for not recognizing what a tool he is. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558845) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:08 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop he should have been more sensitive to the fact that it was potentially offensive (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559243) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 5:18 AM Author: stirring doctorate indian lodge Keep in mind that there was a time, not so long ago, when a black man making a claim to equality was saying something which, "whether true or not, was an incredibly idiotic statement to make."
Fucking hypocrite cock-gobbler. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:26 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Some (funny) Q&As from the election:
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/pleader/Archives/2006/March9/News/news3.htm |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:32 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn (5) Who is your legal or political role model?
Greenfield: Rick Santorum. Anyone that opposed to homosexuals and evolution must be gay. And maybe a monkey. I’m waiting for the day he comes out of the closet, maybe scratching himself with a banana.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:00 PM Author: cracking abode philosopher-king I really hope that guy won. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557590) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 5:25 AM Author: stirring doctorate indian lodge (4) How do you hope your classmates will remember you in ten years?
Pattakos: As someone they are glad they elected SBA President.
Ah, irony. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:51 PM Author: Cordovan boyish gay wizard Subject: LLSA According the LLSA, apparantly having political views are fine as long as they don't threaten our political interests in maintaining the status quo racial groupings. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557539) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:57 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point so you're saying the SBA president is free to try to dismantle all the "racial groupings" all he wants but groups like the LLSA should be estopped from trying to stop him and pwning his ass in the process? Seems fair. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557569) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:05 PM Author: Cordovan boyish gay wizard No... I'm saying all out war on this front is acceptable.
The LLSA prez should have said, the prez is free to attempt to advocate whatever rightwing views he wants, but we are equally free to call for a vote of no-confidence.
I'm arguing against the implicit point the LLSA pres was Trying to hide behind;
that the president should refrain from acting against the (political) interests of some organizations within the law center community because he is suppossed to virtually represent everyones interests.
I would say doing so would castrate the SBA presidency of any policy value whatsoever. (something I doubt LLSA is in favor of given that they probably push for an expanded budget every year, more 'diversity' spots...etc) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:07 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point uh, last i checked, the president does represent everyone's interests. Or did you want LLSA to pass out "Not my President" t-shirts?
edit: by the way, i almost forgot this is some fag president at a stupid law school. We're not talking POTUS shit here. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:13 PM Author: Cordovan boyish gay wizard of course your right... this is basically an honorary position the lawschool creates.
Perhaps the whole problem here was that this dude tried to expand the powers of his presidency more then the administration was willing to allow.
This is their way of saying "stick to the candy and coke machines in the hall dipshit." |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:17 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth How did he try to expand his powers? The administration told him he could invite 18 people to this event (in addition to 10 the administration would invite afterwards), didn't give him any real guidelines for who he should invite other than the nebulous "student leaders" remark, and he invites 18 people who were involved in SBA or led student orgs.
Sounds like he just did what he was told to do and was then made a scapegoat when people complained. |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:25 AM Author: Cordovan boyish gay wizard Well I tend to agree with you but I would say this:
Custom may have dictated that he not try to excercise his own discretion over which groups to invite, but to use an objective standard not taking his own political opinions into account?!? ehhhh....
The whole thing has administration stench on it. they fucked up by giving him the power to do so for a highly coveted chief justice dinner, and arguably he just employed that power. |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:31 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Completely agreed, this is the administration's fuck-up and they should take responsibility for it instead of trying to hurt this guy's career. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558772) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:43 AM Author: Exciting antidepressant drug jap Right... the administration is responsible for his stupidity... (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558851) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:09 PM Author: Obsidian bat-shit-crazy telephone what, exactly, do you think being an SBA president entails? the SBA presidency is not a post to effectuate your political views, especially when doing so would "marginalize" or otherwise harm students you're supposed to "represent." if anything, the president is supposed to be politically neutral. basically the SBA president is the outgoing fag who shows up at all the faculty meetings and "speaks" on behalf of the students. you're being retardedly unrealistic. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557635) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:16 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office As big of a knucklehead as I am I've never felt comfortable saying that I'm conclusively anti or pro death penalty in general... but...to the extent that such a thing is an exercise in line drawing (and if it wasn't for line drawing being an exercise there wouldn't be schools of law), I respectfully submit to you, my esteemed and beloved classmates, that wherever the line is to be drawn, killing Saddam is nowhere close to the wrong side of the line. At least not now... given limited resources and such... Respectfully...
Also...whatever problems the nascent Iraqi government may be plagued with right now, I admire their efficiency w/r/t what was arguably their primary objective.
And to those who think that the US endeavor over there is an entirely lost cause...what about the people who were celebrating Saddam's death in the streets? Isn't that at least a patch of soil in which a seed of self determination might sprout? (even if we define self determination broadly?) Might that be enough? Maybe?
I dunno. But for now I'll raise a glass...of egg nogg...cause at this point it's not too early to hit it because we should drink it before it spoils. As always, please correct me if (where) I'm wrong.
Hooray,
Peter
"Now I heard that the South is where your folks from,
down in the bottoms where they broke some
whips cross a nigga back
way back
now they wonder why we act
how we act"
---Outkast/8Ball/MJG
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:19 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office The song is called "Throw Your Hands Up" and I'd heard it a few times last night so it was in my head. I think it's a great song, and that it and its hook fit perfectly with the celebratory tone of my email. I didn't think twice about not using the radio edited version and maybe I should have - but as you guessed, I wasn't thinking twice about much of anything at that point in the evening.
Please appreciate the context here. The fact that the word, once oft-employed to oppress, has been effectively co-opted by millions as a term of endearment is sign of human progress. The quote I included in my email alludes to human progress. Saddam being brought to justice is human progress.
Whether it's appropriate for me to sing along to the unedited version of this song at home, or if its different if I'm at a club, or if it matters who's there, or if I was forwarding the lyrics to an individual or a group, or to "use" this term in any of a great number of ways certainly depends on context. Your advice might be to avoid the word altogether, but there are millions who disagree with you, and some of these people appreciate how the word has been co-opted. This is all an exercise in line drawing that might be as interesting as that re: the death penalty - and you're probably right that, at this point, including the word in a quote on the listserv is on the wrong side of the line. My apologies and thanks for the advice.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:20 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office To the extent that we live in a global village, we've all suffered as a result of Saddam's rule. While we've all suffered to different degrees I will not accept that the effects of this man's actions have not affected me and all of us in a very real way.
There is an obvious difference between "reveling in putting people to death," as you imply I have in some general sense, and raising a glass in recognition of the powerful symbolic effect of this particular execution as a mark of human progress - that this may bode well for peace in the region and the world. It's easy to understand why your mother would admonish you for celebrating a man's death as a child who had little if any idea about the execution's broader effects; but you're not my mother, and while I may or may not be a child I've repeatedly expressed my own idea of what progress is and how this is related. So please, excuse me while I stand on my grounds for cheer in confidence that I'm not contributing to a more barbarous society. Thanks.
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:21 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office After a good night's sleep and some reflection I wish to revoke my apology for quoting from a piece of pop culture in appreciation of it. I appreciate the way the word in question has been co-opted by Outkast, the RZA, and millions of others. I think it's more empowering to completely change the meaning of a word than to stop using it altogether. I realize that some people disagree with me. I also realize that the opinions of some of these people should carry more weight then mine because of our relative skin colors. Nevertheless, I don't think I should be prevented from expressing my appreciation for a piece of popular art by quoting it in the way that I did - merely because of my race. To suggest otherwise is essentially telling me that I should "know better" than the artists who sell me their art, are certainly happy that I buy it and enjoy it, and are probably happy to be quoted in appreciation as often as possible. To suggest otherwise is, in my opinion, regressively racially divisive.
Again, I realize that people disagree with me, but I suggest that this should be taken up either with Outkast, Jay-Z, David Chappelle, the Estates of Christopher Wallace and Tupac Shakur, et. al., or, God help us, your elected state or Federal representatives, and not with me.
Happy New Year to everyone.
-Peter |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:22 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office The open listserv is a place for members of our community to freely communicate with one another. There are no bright lines regarding what is and isn't appropriate for the listserv. It has been left up to the individuals of our community to decide for themselves. Celebratory emails and colloquial speech are commonplace on the listservs. Quotes after email signatures are similarly commonplace.
In the signature of an email with the dual purpose of celebrating the execution of Saddam Hussein and provoking discussion of the death penalty I included a direct quote from a song by popular hip-hop artists Outkast, Eight Ball, and MJG. This quote included a controversial word. Many people oppose the use of this word in any way at all, even in a positive manner – as it was employed in the quote I included in my email. However, there are many other people, including the artists that I quoted, who liberally employ the word in a positive way. This use of the term in this way has been widely accepted in American hip-hop culture, as evidenced by millions of records sold and dozens of Grammy awards won, and my own personal observations that I'm sure are not unique in this way.
I do not advocate widespread or indiscriminate use of the term, even as a term of endearment. I do not believe, however, that I should be somehow restricted because of my skin color from quoting a piece of popular art that includes the term - in appreciation of that artwork and the sentiment expressed within – that of resisting oppression. To the extent that this sentiment was not clear in my original email, I apologize. I should be very clear about my intentions in quoting art that includes such a controversial term. Again, my only intention in using the quote was to celebrate one milestone in human progress by referring to another.
This is my own political position; if the word is going to be used in this positive way and sold to me via mass distribution networks, I should be free to quote it in a positive way, regardless of my race, and regardless of the origins of the art form. My job as SBA President is not to adopt the political stance of a certain portion, or even the majority of our community. One of my jobs as SBA President is, however, to help ensure an environment where individuals can hold and share diverse political opinions and hopefully learn something in the process. I've learned something from the community reaction to my email, and I will not use a quote including the term on the listserv again. I understand that revoking my initial apology instead of clarifying it as above was an unnecessarily harsh - even obnoxious - way of affirming the particular political stance at issue here, and this was a mistake that I apologize for; but I hope we're on our way to a day where we can be equally trusted to share a piece of artwork by quoting it in the same positive context as the artist.
Thanks, and best regards as always,
Peter
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:23 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office Andrew,
You say, "we are not a party to that struggle, and it is not a part of our identity." This is wrong. "That struggle" affects all of our lives profoundly, and is as much a part of an individual's identity as that individual chooses to recognize.
I notice a common thread in your emails Andrew. This particular failure of perception is similar to, and probably worse than, your claim that we haven't been affected by the consequences of Saddam's rule of Iraq. The world would be a much better place if intelligent and thoughtful people wouldn't isolate themselves in this way. It's one thing to recognize that we all struggle in different ways in the same fight, but to suggest we're not party to the struggle at all misses something important. Humans have been helping humans overcome obstacles since the dawn of history. We have a long way to go and much to gain from continuing to do this. We, particularly we citizens of the lone remaining superpower on Earth, have a lot to lose from failing to do this.
Drawing race-based lines as a society is what got us into this particular struggle in the first place, and we should be careful in continuing to do so. I'm OK with affirmative action for now. To draw such a line in deciding who can sing or quote an Outkast song is problematic to me. To tell me that I can't identify with a struggle that affects me, simply because of my race, is much, much worse.
Peter
PS: I find your claim of having garnered generalized goodwill from your last email to be somewhat presumptuous. If I holler into an echo chamber and hear an echo, have I garnered goodwill?
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:35 PM Author: silver degenerate Wow, just wow....
who exactly voted for this guy...or did all the normal people split the vote? |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:37 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth From that NU webpage it seems like there were just two people running (unless there were other candidates and they just didn't respond to the newspaper's questions?). (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557879) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:25 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn how are these people employable? i can't imagine sending this guy to open the door for a client. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557768) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth I'm a bit amazed someone like this could get elected SBA President. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557821) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:34 PM Author: frisky dilemma azn Agree completely.
Certainly he had to run his mouth in class as a 1L. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:35 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth People on this thread claimed that he's always been outspoken like this. Nothing necessarily wrong with having strong beliefs and expressing them -- just odd that someone like that would get elected SBA president.
Then again, I was elected senior class president in high school even though I was very conservative and outspoken, so weird things like this happen. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: Fragrant honey-headed church building sneaky criminal The thing is, he's a genuinely nice guy. He's an outspoken conservative, but he's friendly as heck. Everyone I know seems to like him on a personal level and disagree with all of his politics. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558050) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:57 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth I'd imagine that's the case if he's been elected SBA president. And from what I hear he has a *lot* of supporters at NU right now who are defending him and even proposing petitions to get him reinstated, so he must be pretty well liked, even among people who disagree with him politically. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558070) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:22 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559279) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:58 PM Author: Coral 180 casino genital piercing Subject: Northwestern Law "Anyway, he chooses something like SBA, FedSoc, ACS, but then he included Thomas More society rep (which only has like 6 members) and some other "blah" organizations. He also had a couple discretionary spots and, among those, chose the girl he was fucking."
To be more precise, the girl he was fucking is the Thomas More society rep. Her name is Kerry Donovan
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/stms/
k-donovan2007@law.northwestern.edu
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1586/kerrydonovanom2.jpg
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:08 PM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point holy shit, unless she's the one in white, i feel really bad for him now. Even then, the one in white looks like one of those ancient fish living in the bottom of the ocean with taht large protruding jaw and small deep set eyes. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557632) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:25 PM Author: Magenta rehab yarmulke in fact, the girl in question is not a member of the thomas more society pictured, but a 2L by the same first name - somehow involved in one of the other "blah" organizations (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557769) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:06 AM Author: Concupiscible fiercely-loyal immigrant is she the fat slob? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558137) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:45 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth I'm hearing that there's quite a lot of action on the NU listserv about this, and it seems students aren't really happy with what the LSAs did. Can someone post some more updates as things happen (or email them to us so we can repost them anonymously)? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7557952) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:49 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Dear Classmates,
I do not wish to be reinstated as or reelected SBA President and would refuse any such post. I am confident that our community will emerge significantly stronger from lessons learned in recent days. I believe this will be a long term gain. I admire the number of students who have offered thoughtful insight into the current situation - both privately and publicly. There are a number of important issues raised by these events - a process to reinstate me as SBA President would only distract us from these more important issues. I look forward to a productive discussion.
Thanks and best regards,
Peter |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:52 PM Author: seedy spot This isn't for the losers who are writing on this blog, but to set the record straight for anyone reading this moronic thread from a bunch of uninformed people treating our situation like a Linsay Lohan gossip story.
I'm an NU law student, and was at the breakfast, and there was no one invited there because she was having sex with the SBA president. Not a 2L, not a girl from the St. Thomas More Society, not anyone. All of the women at the event were leaders in their own right and wouldn't have to sleep with someone to be there. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:59 PM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Thanks for the clarification, though I have a feeling if something like that happened it wouldn't be something everyone would be privy to. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558085) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:05 AM Author: silver degenerate Hi Kerry.
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:10 AM Author: Adventurous partner (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558159) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:26 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559295) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:58 PM Author: balding french hall i am baffled by what a big deal people seem to think this is (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558073) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:00 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Affirmative action + toolish behavior + T14 = 200+ post xo thread (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558093) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:19 AM Author: balding french hall yeah i suppose. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558225) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:02 AM Author: Concupiscible fiercely-loyal immigrant why is my law school such a ttt in decline? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558106) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:03 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Oh boy, where to start... (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558113) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:04 AM Author: Concupiscible fiercely-loyal immigrant eh, as long as they can buy high lsats, I'll be happy (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558123) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:12 AM Author: Curious piazza famous landscape painting they have racists and terrorists teaching there: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/KiwiCamara/ http://www.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/BernardineDohrn/ |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:20 AM Author: Concupiscible fiercely-loyal immigrant i wonder if he discusses enforceable nig covenants (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558236) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:31 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop repeating the joke doesn't make it less racist (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559302) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:21 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth Kiwi Camara is there? Wow, surprised that didn't stir a protest. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558253) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: Adventurous partner (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558269) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:25 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth It's still there on his Stanford page:
http://www.stanford.edu/~camara/bio.htm |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:33 AM Author: Excitant overrated electric furnace I've been told by some friends there that the girl he was boning is a blond 1L on some social committee, and pretty cute. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558333) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:43 AM Author: bat shit crazy public bath kitty Subject: Camara It did inspire a protest -- of sorts. The National Lawyers Guild distributed a flyer around campus letting students know that Kiwi was here and encouraging students to "ask around" and "check things out." They didn't just come out and mention the controversy. I found the whole thing distasteful and below-board and it really convinced me not to get involved at all with the NLG, although I had been interested in their organization before arriving on campus.
Of course, there were many email threads about it and an assembly was convened for him to apologize to the student body and swear never to use the word again. According to many emails, several students were "unconvinced" by this apology and felt that he still shouldn't be a part of our "inclusive community." |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:33 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth What's the National Lawyer's Guild?
Sounds very TTT... if you want to protest the guy for what he did, go out and tell people what he did instead of something demanding a protest for no reason.
BTW does anyone else find it ironic that NU will hire Kiwi and that terrorist but then fire a SBA president for suggesting that some student orgs shouldn't be funded? |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:32 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop didnt kiwi apologize? i dont think this guy did (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559305) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:41 AM Author: misanthropic passionate nibblets So this dude used the word "nigga" in an e-mail that went out to the entire school, apologized, then retracted his apology? What a complete and utter dumbfuck. Where did he summer as a 2L? I wouldn't be surprised if that firm pwns the shit out of him when they learn of that series of emails. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558388) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: titillating mint sweet tailpipe scourge upon the earth To the NU student who doesn't think people should be discussing this on xo:
NU student urges others not to post on xo about SBA president |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle yellow range (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558867) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: bright glittery stag film Clearly GTO is biased, he was the secretary of the Fed Soc in his school and its pretty widely known that he's also of the opinion that minority 'race oriented' groups are 'irrelevant' to say the least. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7558928) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 3:35 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559314) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 6:03 AM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point yeah but you're still a white faggot with a small cock (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559398) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 6:30 AM Author: lascivious foreskin gaming laptop chinese thank you very much (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559412) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 6:32 AM Author: Hideous Know-it-all Point no one cares you stupid faggot (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559415) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 8:38 AM Author: tripping round eye stage After just hearing about this, all I can say is that as a former member of one of these groups that Peter "excluded," is that by and large they are a joke. Not that the St. Thomas More Society is really much better, but most of those LSA groups had barely enough people to form a board. Except for BLSA, the groups also didn't really do much. Just based on that alone I would think that the leaders of those organizations shouldn't be allowed to complain. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559521) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 9:49 AM Author: Trip doobsian stage background story i'm pretty sure both blsa and llsa have an entire month of shit like lunches and speakers and stuff whereas the others can only put together like a week. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=575703&forum_id=2#7559686) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 9:55 AM Author: soggy turquoise trump supporter den The guy needs to be quiet. It seems like he is being an instigator in the same breath that he tells everyone to keep their peace. I like how he makes mention of his supporters wishing to reinstate him. Let it die. If he is not going to let it die, he should be addressing the USSR like censorship and demand a debate on the subject rather than apologizing. He should have stood up to NW and not stepped down, and dealt with whatever consequences. He made the comments. He should stand by those comments. Instead, his main concern is himself and how he appears. He reeks of selfishness, and self serving politics. He is manipulating people and creating dissension because he is bitter. Its like he wants other people to take a stand he was not willing to make. There will be no productive discussion, and he knows it.
Every party involved should be going after NW's admin. And Strom should have taken this as an opportunity to be gracious, and supported the SBA president. Instead of demanding his removal, he should have demanded a debate on the topic. And demanded an apology from NW admin - Kevin and Peter could have done this together. In exchange for supporting the prez, Strom should have made sure that something similar would never happen again, even if it amounted to guarenteed seats at such events for BLSA and like groups. There would have been goodwill and unity throughout. as is, they both are horrible presidents. I guess they learned their diplomacy from Bush. |