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David Foster Wallace on Elizabeth Wurtzel... 180

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtz...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  01/06/13
ty
Spectacular headpube
  01/06/13
yw brother
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  01/06/13
There were actually friendly IRL IIRC
Spruce sickened double fault
  01/06/13
This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.
Bateful Rigpig Foreskin
  11/07/15
...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
Jesus. That is literally unreadable.
lascivious mentally impaired newt
  03/30/15
...
stirring mother menage
  03/30/15
and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank ...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"
unhinged dark bawdyhouse coffee pot
  03/30/15
(xo 2007
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages...
vibrant zombie-like range police squad
  03/30/15
Of course there are
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I wa...
vibrant zombie-like range police squad
  03/30/15
Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, a...
vibrant zombie-like range police squad
  03/30/15
is he a good writer
arousing base
  03/30/15
yes, and this is a 180 piece
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnot...
arousing base
  03/30/15
sorry for your loss
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
thank you
arousing base
  03/30/15
I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curio...
lascivious mentally impaired newt
  03/30/15
oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
Its fucking terrible.
lascivious mentally impaired newt
  03/30/15
well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average litera...
razzmatazz mauve weed whacker masturbator
  03/30/15
?
burgundy parlour
  07/12/15
Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT http://www.xox...
stirring mother menage
  03/30/15
180
arousing base
  03/30/15
ty
stirring mother menage
  03/30/15
no, ty friend
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
for what?
stirring mother menage
  03/30/15
for setting up that 180 i guess
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i al...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the ...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i ...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
2012, actually. and you seem dumb.
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looki...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring h...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he w...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
except he was depressed for entirely different reasons
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn'...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
...
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder th...
unhinged dark bawdyhouse coffee pot
  03/30/15
Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL
Heady Bearded Pozpig Jew
  03/30/15
At least he apparently realized it and killed self
lascivious mentally impaired newt
  03/30/15
yet they call this a selfish act. why
Garnet Set Coldplay Fan
  03/30/15
franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthroug...
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
180
lascivious mentally impaired newt
  03/30/15
...
lascivious mentally impaired newt
  03/31/15
I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of ...
Heady Bearded Pozpig Jew
  03/30/15
i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro
deranged histrionic kitty lodge
  03/30/15
maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something
Overrated Trailer Park
  03/30/15
I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at al...
Cordovan orchestra pit faggot firefighter
  03/30/15
guess we know who won that one
Ruby chest-beating step-uncle's house
  03/31/15
I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work. ...
free-loading claret shrine new version
  07/12/15
i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too...
Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor
  07/12/15
I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like...
free-loading claret shrine new version
  07/12/15
I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional n...
Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor
  07/12/15
His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly los...
free-loading claret shrine new version
  07/12/15
ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's loo...
Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor
  07/12/15
yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair. I'm just a...
free-loading claret shrine new version
  07/12/15
Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more t...
Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor
  07/12/15
fiction has bigger ideas though Seriously, read "Lyn...
free-loading claret shrine new version
  07/12/15
I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhaust...
Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor
  07/12/15
The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standard...
cerise floppy legal warrant degenerate
  07/12/15
...
Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor
  07/12/15
DFW's goat work: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/p...
frum laughsome immigrant
  07/12/15


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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:20 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtzel.

After being rejected by the Prozac Nation author, Wallace wrote the 1998 story "The Depressed Person," basing the title character – the most unpleasant person on Earth – on her."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/six-things-you-didnt-know-about-david-foster-wallace-20120827

Here is the piece itself:

http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-1998-01-0059425.pdf

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380153)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:50 PM
Author: Spectacular headpube

ty

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380409)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:58 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

yw brother

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380470)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:01 PM
Author: Spruce sickened double fault

There were actually friendly IRL IIRC

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380489)



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Date: November 7th, 2015 10:12 AM
Author: Bateful Rigpig Foreskin

This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#29129865)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 5:47 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580741)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:05 AM
Author: lascivious mentally impaired newt

Jesus. That is literally unreadable.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580754)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:13 AM
Author: stirring mother menage



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580762)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:21 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank bumps and you'd be responsible for half of them

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580773)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: unhinged dark bawdyhouse coffee pot

LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581914)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

(xo 2007

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581958)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: vibrant zombie-like range police squad

Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages before my eyes glazed over, and it just seemed to be a rant about an insecure girl.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581935)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

Of course there are

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581961)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: vibrant zombie-like range police squad

...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to see them.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581972)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: vibrant zombie-like range police squad

Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, and every other line ends with a hyphenated word.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581876)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: arousing base

is he a good writer

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580758)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

yes, and this is a 180 piece

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580759)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: arousing base

last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnotes

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580768)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

sorry for your loss

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580769)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: arousing base

thank you

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580775)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: lascivious mentally impaired newt

I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curious feelings of affection that once were had by a person resembling something like me. They were ostensibly about a female, albeit a depressed one and it's unclear if her pater familias was even kind to her at all.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580770)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle head, anon. maybe go back to posting about arrow or blacks or whatever until the pain goes away.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580774)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:23 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580777)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: lascivious mentally impaired newt

Its fucking terrible.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580780)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580781)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:27 PM
Author: razzmatazz mauve weed whacker masturbator

Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average literary mind!

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581896)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:01 AM
Author: burgundy parlour

?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310543)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:12 AM
Author: stirring mother menage

Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT

YLS made a mistake in admitting Elizabeth Wurtzel.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580761)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:16 AM
Author: arousing base

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580766)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: stirring mother menage

ty

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580772)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

no, ty friend

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580778)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: stirring mother menage

for what?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580779)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:26 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

for setting up that 180 i guess

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580783)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:28 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i always figured it was mostly about himself.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580784)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:32 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the subject of the cartoons in the article look exactly like her. and that a major magazine matter of factly stated it was about her.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580789)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:34 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i wrote a story about a paedomorphic female who posted on a racist law board, it could still be "about" me. you know?

and lol at believing rolling stone; it's 2015.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580792)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:36 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

2012, actually.

and you seem dumb.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580795)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:41 AM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looking at things wrong. i suggest you improve that, friend, and come back to me when you have. i'm sure you'll gain more from talking to me then. shalom.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580809)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:44 AM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring himself into random, banal shit. i don't think an article eviscerating Wurtzel is "about him", at least not to the extent you seem to suggest. she just happens to be where one of his darts landed.

actually, this piece may be more of a prophecy than anything. it could be argued that it is a preemptive response to the 21st century assent of the intolerable, self-absorbed shrew.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580818)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:34 PM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he was clinically depressed. that seems like a decent start to an argument that it was first-personal

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581947)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:41 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

except he was depressed for entirely different reasons

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582001)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:43 PM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn't see snatches of himself in the character, or at least wonder if he was similar deep down. in fact, NOT to do so would be incredibly un-self-aware and un-anxious by his standards.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582014)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:20 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581849)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: unhinged dark bawdyhouse coffee pot

Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder the talentless hack blew himself away.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581864)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:28 PM
Author: Heady Bearded Pozpig Jew

Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581909)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: lascivious mentally impaired newt

At least he apparently realized it and killed self

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581971)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:38 PM
Author: Garnet Set Coldplay Fan

yet they call this a selfish act. why

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581977)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthrough: Realized DFW's Suicide was an Act of Grace" at 5wpm

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581992)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:52 PM
Author: lascivious mentally impaired newt

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582087)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: lascivious mentally impaired newt



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587886)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: Heady Bearded Pozpig Jew

I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of hipster neckbeard toolbags.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581985)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: deranged histrionic kitty lodge

i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582027)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:46 PM
Author: Overrated Trailer Park

maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582046)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:47 PM
Author: Cordovan orchestra pit faggot firefighter

I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at all but I think I'd get along well with him IRL and he seems like a good dude.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582048)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:24 PM
Author: Ruby chest-beating step-uncle's house

guess we know who won that one

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587898)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 12:59 AM
Author: free-loading claret shrine new version

I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work.

My favorite of his works is "Lyndon," published in Girl with Curious Hair.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310522)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:00 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor

i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too controlled, the nonfiction is so much better in my opinion (which I know I share with "guy in your MFA class" twitter

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310537)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:04 AM
Author: free-loading claret shrine new version

I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like DFW's nonfiction better" camp. Everyone I meet says that and I always think they just can't appreciate good fiction with ambiguity.

I mean his nonfiction is ok I think. I like consider the lobster and tense present.

But Girl with Curious Hair? Come on now. It was fantastic.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310570)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:08 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor

I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional nuance of DFW's work is lost ofon me. For me even though his nonfiction is formulaic (it all rises from blips of cognitive dissonance--rage to self-righteousness--to a really bogus epiphany) it's appealing.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310609)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:10 AM
Author: free-loading claret shrine new version

His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly losing his temper at the golf ball that wouldn't go to its home.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310625)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:12 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor

ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's looser and has more feeling because of it. Did you read his EW piece on the Adult Video News awards or the Iowa State Fair? Those are pretty good

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310632)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:16 AM
Author: free-loading claret shrine new version

yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair.

I'm just a fiction reader at heart. And I like work that takes risks and is hit or miss. I respect writers who experiment and fail.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310655)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:18 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor

Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more than people, I guess

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310664)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:19 AM
Author: free-loading claret shrine new version

fiction has bigger ideas though

Seriously, read "Lyndon." It's my favorite of all of DFW's stories. My Appearance if good too.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310671)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:23 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor

I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhausted. Maybe I'm looking at it in too political a way, but I feel like all the interesting experimentation has been crowded out by SJW politics

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310709)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:26 AM
Author: cerise floppy legal warrant degenerate

The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standards.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310730)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:27 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Fortuitous Meteor



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310734)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:07 AM
Author: frum laughsome immigrant

DFW's goat work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310597)