Date: March 1st, 2007 10:53 PM Author: Carmine Kitty Cat
Thank god this board finally has a voice of reason. GTO is such a TTT.
Date: March 1st, 2007 10:49 PM
Author: rachmiel is not a mamzer
I think I have to at least temporarily suspend the volunteer mods now, because it seems to be an irreconcilable point of friction and it's not worth it to me to have everyone running around saying the sky is falling. It's not their fault, but this is not taking to the community.
It's not GTO's fault. The policy is just kind of hard to understand, and he's always been diligently trying to be consistent with it. But I'm thinking maybe it should be re-evaluated entirely.
Yeah, basically, and the fact that GTO used the fact that "leaky juice box was mean to me 3 years ago" as a reason to not delete her thread. Sounds evenhanded.
GTo has never been consistent. he's deleted threads for friends just because they posted embarasshing shit or looked like an ass. would he EVER do that for anyone else?
Date: March 2nd, 2007 12:42 AM Author: Stirring location telephone
You deleted a thread Kill made about me on the spot when he asked you to. How were you able to do this without rach's permission (it was 3 AM or something), but you couldn't honor Dwayne's request?
Date: March 2nd, 2007 1:06 AM Author: Stirring location telephone
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if he's still angry at you. He's angry at leaky for showing up late to a meetup three years ago and I think he hates me because of an argument we had on the board around that same time.
Date: March 1st, 2007 11:01 PM Author: Soggy Boiling Water
TITCR. Like many people have said, they'll just say no mods and keep the mods private.
Months later, sugary or MTG or somebody will slip and say something about moding and the cycle will repeat.
Something that's always been consistent in the three years this board has existed is that neither Rach nor GTO have foresight to realize what pisses people off
- Edited: This is meant to be responding to the post above.
Alright, man, and the US government blew up the twin towers. Oil your entire body with your conspiracy theories to your heart's content, if that's what you want.
Date: March 1st, 2007 11:19 PM Author: Stirring location telephone
Exactly. None of this "You can out people who were outted already, or outted other people, or outted themselves, bla bla bla." If you post a name, it gets deleted and you're banned.
Date: March 1st, 2007 11:19 PM Author: ebony disgusting public bath karate
If it's the name of a poster, yes. Maybe it sounds like a PITA, but given how few people are out I can't imagine it would make things that much harder for you to manage.
I'm not saying it's ideal from a policy perspective but it makes sense because it prevents the freakshows that inhabit this place from complaining about any inconsistencies in application.
Date: March 1st, 2007 11:25 PM Author: Umber Piazza
excellent point. the number of posters that are outed is small--6 or 8 at most. NO NAMES should be allowed. if people want to out themselves, there is IM, email, etc
Date: March 1st, 2007 11:16 PM Author: Crimson ape
Thank you for being reasonable. Basically, even posters who might have posted details about their identity, even their name, should be protected from outings later if they so request. People and circumstances change, and there ought to be a provision for that.
>GTO has made at least several, maybe many, questionable judgments. The most prominent that comes to mind involve his inconsistent implementation of the outing policy. When it comes to posters GTO has felt slighted by, he has been absolutely reprehensible, particularly Blue Smoke and leaky juice box. Under the thin guise of “posters who have already outted themselves don’t receive protection from outing” he has refused to lift a finger when their privacy was tampered with. Although I personally find both Blue Smoke and ljb wretchedly annoying posters, it’s clear even to me that it does not matter what they may or may not have done to out themselves in the past. If they wish to retain their privacy and request so, then they deserve the same protection made available to any other poster. That would be a sane outing policy. As it stands currently, GTO’s implementation of the policy is morally odious, as he’s clearly incapable of separating the public sphere from private. Which brings me to my next point.
She can come back if she doesn't spam and go nuts, but she always did. It just became a pain in my ass to always have to stop her, after she promised me she wouldn't so many times. I liked her personally, but she was too high maintenance. If she wants to IM me she always can and we can talk about it.
Date: March 1st, 2007 11:50 PM Author: alcoholic therapy halford
Does this mean you've finally de-modded NYCFan for his repeated abuses too? Personally I'd gladly give up moderating anything if he's prevented from ever again moderating.
Date: March 2nd, 2007 12:08 AM Author: ebony disgusting public bath karate
I think a craigslist-style reporting mechanism would be a good start. E.g., "mark this thread/post as offtopic/outing/etc". That gets clicked enough times and you/GTO/etc get an email then lets you make the appropriate change just by clicking a link (e.g., to delete the thread/post).
That at least makes it efficient and easy for you to use (though obviously people will abuse the reporting feature). I won't wade into the moderators debate except to note that if you could get, e.g., the college board people to deal with law board moderation needs and vice versa people wouldn't be so upset about the identities of the mods.
Date: March 2nd, 2007 12:27 AM Author: Umber Piazza
if you had STUCK to cracking down on outings (ALL outings) you would have avoided the exodus/lost of trust.
the classifying is unnecessary. and having sugary aboard is downright insulting to your readers/posters. she is not rational and unbiased. MindTheGap is a better selection.
GTO doesn't deserve the bad wrap he's getting. He's always tried to coordinate with me and he's tried to be as consistent as possible. We've always felt like no matter what we do, we end up pissing some people off. It's hard being in the position he's been in and it's natural for people to resent anyone who is in that position, but he doesn't deserve the hate.
Date: March 2nd, 2007 12:24 AM Author: sienna idiotic corner factory reset button
nobody hates him. we're just calling it like we see it. he practices favoritism, isn't held accountable, is inconsistent, etc etc. he probably never should have publicized that he's a mod himeslf.
rachmiel, I think you need to be the one to take point on things like this with the community. GTO is just a lightning rod for criticism/hatred (some justified, some not).
Let stuff like this come from you, not from him, and I bet that solves 90% of the problem.