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finding decent 12-15 dollar/hour job...why this fucking hard?

What the fuck? I manage to get admitted to a shitload of to...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
Welcome to the REAL WORLD.
narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop
  05/30/06
Yeah, except that he's probably insanely talented, in compar...
obsidian autistic lay striped hyena
  05/30/06
not at all. If the employer feels he needs to train you when...
territorial jewess
  05/30/06
I type well over sixty words per minute, though, so I have *...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
Also consider that an experienced legal secretary is worth m...
territorial jewess
  05/30/06
For sure. I'm not looking for a "good" job, merel...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
<< Also consider that an experienced legal secretary i...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
The 1st year associate income is an investment in the future...
Gold Alpha Internal Respiration
  05/30/06
That doesn't help. Hint: Present value of future income. T...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
More importantly, they want someone who's going to stay.
Carnelian Fragrant Indian Lodge Trump Supporter
  05/30/06
The truth is, middle managers feel threatened by having an e...
Bisexual Center Mother
  05/30/06
this is also true. They frown at overqualification because t...
territorial jewess
  05/30/06
This is not true. Managers frown on overqualification becaus...
Mahogany curious dilemma people who are hurt
  05/30/06
this sounds right
odious international law enforcement agency
  05/30/06
I think it's more complicated than that. For instance, if t...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
They want efficiency and that comes with experience. If you'...
territorial jewess
  05/30/06
titcr
richard clock
  05/30/06
welcome to the real world. i have test scores and credential...
Infuriating nursing home
  05/30/06
It is pretty obscene. I applied for a few paralegal positio...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
I'm sure you could find a job for minimum wage. The fact th...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
I probalby wouldn't go to law school if I had found one of t...
Bisexual Center Mother
  05/30/06
haha shit im the same. if i made 30k i wouldnt be going to ...
Infuriating nursing home
  05/30/06
You must be joking. What 30k job did you look for?
Mahogany curious dilemma people who are hurt
  05/30/06
One of these jobs has convinced me to apply to law school. ...
iridescent irradiated theatre
  05/30/06
You and everyone else. For your options after LS, see www.j...
narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop
  05/30/06
"I expect the real unemployment rate is closer to 15 pe...
narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop
  05/30/06
The US has one of the highest unemployment rates of first wo...
territorial jewess
  05/30/06
this is a horribly constructed sentence
Rose Soul-stirring Brunch Messiness
  05/30/06
wellexcusemegrammarandsyntaxpolice
territorial jewess
  05/30/06
Wait a sec... what's wrong with the sentence? Maybe there's ...
Aphrodisiac ticket booth
  05/30/06
he edited, dipshit
Rose Soul-stirring Brunch Messiness
  05/30/06
dipshit? please.
Aphrodisiac ticket booth
  05/30/06
Don't mention all those accomplishments unless they're relev...
Mahogany curious dilemma people who are hurt
  05/30/06
I may end up doing retail, much as I hate the disjointed hou...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
for a data entry job, an ex data entry clerk >>> an...
Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office
  05/30/06
WTF are you talking about? $12/hour jobs are a dime a dozen...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
Surprisingly, no.
Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge
  05/30/06
Wrong. The OP is being dumb. He seems to think that a resu...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
So do you suggest I start leaving my college off my resume? ...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
Yeah, you might want to leave college off. Try sending out ...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
P.S. $12-$15 is at the low end of the average U.S. wage. Lo...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
Where have you been searching for a job and why do you need ...
laughsome slimy stead
  05/30/06
My fiancee is working a six month contract job in San Fran. ...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
"you need experience to get that job. but you can't get...
Rose Soul-stirring Brunch Messiness
  05/30/06
I think that line is from either Cocktail or The Secret of M...
nighttime swollen police squad
  05/30/06
Very very true
Vivacious opaque market
  05/30/06
I've experienced the same. The market for low-level jobs of ...
Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge
  05/30/06
Definitely frustrating. When a job posting states that the ...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
please develop street smarts. Mr. 130+ IQ is not the type o...
Confused doctorate library
  05/30/06
People have different reasons for applying for different job...
Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge
  05/30/06
the really smart person is more likely to leave the position...
Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office
  05/30/06
this is exactly the advice given by the fine people of Wonde...
Confused doctorate library
  05/30/06
jog my memory; i can't seem to recall what wonderlic is
Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office
  05/30/06
employment testing http://www.wonderlic.com/ http://e...
Confused doctorate library
  05/30/06
That happened to me at one of those $12-$15/hr jobs. I was ...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
@#$!@#%&*^%$#
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
"Any decent manager who can withstand the ego challenge...
narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop
  05/30/06
I'm in the process of moving and looking for jobs in a new c...
Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge
  05/30/06
you're right. one of my friends graduated magna from UCLA, a...
Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office
  05/30/06
UCLA Law does not rank students. hth
narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop
  05/30/06
i never said my friend went to UCLA Law.
Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office
  05/30/06
<< Smart, hard-workers can learn in about a month what...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
"All else being equal, smart people absolutely stomp th...
Confused doctorate library
  05/30/06
that link is FANTASTIC
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
So, uhm, where do those chuckleheads get their detectives fr...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
Isn't that the Kelo city?
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
yes, The governmental taking of property from one privat...
Confused doctorate library
  05/30/06
Great. They'll have mediocre cops watching that new develop...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
smart cops would spend most of their days collecting bribes.
Confused doctorate library
  05/30/06
It is possible the claim that they rejected him because he w...
Histrionic Tanning Salon Clown
  05/30/06
Possibly. But presumably that would have come out in discov...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
My favoriate line from the article: [Millie McLaughlin, 8...
scarlet passionate toaster
  05/30/06
try to get a job busing tables or working in a supermarket o...
Pearl really tough guy
  05/30/06
titcr. It's something.
narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop
  05/30/06
the only thing you're qualified to do is either moving stuff...
galvanic fear-inspiring electric furnace
  05/30/06
That'll probably be what I end up doing, though it's the ide...
Pale nubile pistol
  05/30/06
Catastrophic insurance for young people isn't that bad. Ful...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
No. He should be fine for just about any low-level service ...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
Paralegal? Kaplan/PR tutor?
Histrionic Tanning Salon Clown
  05/30/06
Summer school bus drivers get about $12/hr where I am. Pizz...
sticky frozen temple hairy legs
  05/30/06
why not be a waiter/bartender/taxicab driver/delivery guy/te...
concupiscible new version
  05/30/06
A lot of low-level jobs nowadays actually use recruiters to...
hairraiser theater
  05/30/06
almost all bay area employment is highly skilled. seattle i...
flushed garrison scourge upon the earth
  05/30/06
you have a point. all non white, non asian, and non jewish r...
Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office
  05/30/06
I was in the same shitty situation last year. Job hunting f...
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:02 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

What the fuck? I manage to get admitted to a shitload of top law schools, was a state finalist for the Rhodes, interned for a senator and now it seems like the most insurmountable obstacle I've faced is finding a decent paying job for the summer/fall. In all seriousness, should I start knocking down my resume amd leaving shit off so I look a bit more "tailored" towards these data entry and admin asst jobs that I need to tide me over until November? I've answered an obscene amount of job postings and haven't received a single call for an interview.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877361)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:04 AM
Author: narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop

Welcome to the REAL WORLD.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877367)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:08 AM
Author: obsidian autistic lay striped hyena

Yeah, except that he's probably insanely talented, in comparison to most people w/ these jobs. It is indeed fucked up.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877376)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:10 AM
Author: territorial jewess

not at all. If the employer feels he needs to train you when he can hire a boob several IQ points lower but who already knows what he's doing or can type faster, the boob deserves the job. I'd hire a boob.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877390)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:14 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

I type well over sixty words per minute, though, so I have *some* boob skills.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877405)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:15 AM
Author: territorial jewess

Also consider that an experienced legal secretary is worth much more than a first year associate who is much more talented, but without experience.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877414)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:17 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

For sure. I'm not looking for a "good" job, merely a decent one. Loosely speaking, I'm stuck here (San Fran) until November and need a filler job that will allow me to contribute to the living expenses at least a little bit and, more importantly, make payments on my student loans.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877424)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:48 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

<< Also consider that an experienced legal secretary is worth much more than a first year associate who is much more talented, but without experience. >>

Their incomes disagree -- unless you think firms are irrational.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877859)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: Gold Alpha Internal Respiration

The 1st year associate income is an investment in the future...HTH

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880270)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 6:55 PM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

That doesn't help. Hint: Present value of future income. THAT HELPS.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880411)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:14 AM
Author: Carnelian Fragrant Indian Lodge Trump Supporter

More importantly, they want someone who's going to stay.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877410)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:15 AM
Author: Bisexual Center Mother

The truth is, middle managers feel threatened by having an educated person working for them, because they are not very educated themselves. Some have not even graduated college. If they do hire someone smart, they will make sure to be very petty towards him and generally make his life miserable. Middle managers are very insecure, which is why they'd rather hire a loser with a few years of experience in a similar dead end job.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877415)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:19 AM
Author: territorial jewess

this is also true. They frown at overqualification because the peons are not supposed to be smarter than the grunts running th peons.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877434)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:22 AM
Author: Mahogany curious dilemma people who are hurt

This is not true. Managers frown on overqualification because overqualification = attitude.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877443)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:39 AM
Author: odious international law enforcement agency

this sounds right

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877835)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:44 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

I think it's more complicated than that. For instance, if the manager is rewarded for performance and the manager thinks the hot shot will improve the metrics he's evaluated on, he'd love to have the person. And, in my experience, people who are smarter relative to their peers don't have a worse attitude than the others. In my experience, it has been just the opposite. They perform so much better, that they feel better about their job and have a better attitude as long as they are rewarded for their performance and don't feel like they're stuck on a dead-end trajectory.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878019)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:05 AM
Author: territorial jewess

They want efficiency and that comes with experience. If you're not as experienced as the next applicant, they couldn't care less about how many awards you've won or your academic record.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877369)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:06 AM
Author: richard clock (got a basement full of booze and some blues to lose)

titcr

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877371)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:07 AM
Author: Infuriating nursing home

welcome to the real world. i have test scores and credentials up the wazoo too, but couldnt find a job for even minimum wage. not even many interviews!! oh well, guess law school is good for something.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877372)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:11 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

It is pretty obscene. I applied for a few paralegal positions at different firms with one year of experience as an LA at Skadden (which is on my resume) and a 178 LSAT (obviously not on my resume, but it's frustrating to be dinged for low level legal jobs with an LSAT that at least shows you're capable of some sort of mental performance) but haven't heard back from a single one after several weeks. This fucking sucks. I should have stayed at Skadden or gone off to law school. The things one does for a fiancee.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877397)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:00 PM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

I'm sure you could find a job for minimum wage. The fact that you can operate a computer demonstrates that.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879854)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:07 AM
Author: Bisexual Center Mother

I probalby wouldn't go to law school if I had found one of these jobs. It is ridiculous. I expect the real unemployment rate is closer to 15 percent.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877373)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:08 AM
Author: Infuriating nursing home

haha shit im the same.

if i made 30k i wouldnt be going to a T14 next year. what a crazy world.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877377)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:17 AM
Author: Mahogany curious dilemma people who are hurt

You must be joking. What 30k job did you look for?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877425)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:10 AM
Author: iridescent irradiated theatre

One of these jobs has convinced me to apply to law school. If i'm going to be bored all of the time, I may as well be better paid.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877385)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:11 AM
Author: narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop

You and everyone else. For your options after LS, see www.jdjive.com



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877395)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:10 AM
Author: narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop

"I expect the real unemployment rate is closer to 15 percent."

I'm not sure that's true. I don't know anyone who's unemployed (except attorneys).

There is a lot of underemployment though, and yes, landing even a measeley $45K job in the real world is *not* easy.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877388)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:12 AM
Author: territorial jewess

The US has one of the highest unemployment rates of first world nations if you take into consideration the prison population.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877401)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:17 AM
Author: Rose Soul-stirring Brunch Messiness

this is a horribly constructed sentence

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877422)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:21 AM
Author: territorial jewess

wellexcusemegrammarandsyntaxpolice

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877438)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:30 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac ticket booth

Wait a sec... what's wrong with the sentence? Maybe there's a missing comma, but what else?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877485)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:36 AM
Author: Rose Soul-stirring Brunch Messiness

he edited, dipshit

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877533)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:39 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac ticket booth

dipshit? please.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877553)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:09 AM
Author: Mahogany curious dilemma people who are hurt

Don't mention all those accomplishments unless they're relevant to the position. So if you're applying for an assistant position at a firm mention law school but not much more. If you're applying for retail don't mention any of that stuff.

You don't want to come off as over-qualified.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877381)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:40 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

I may end up doing retail, much as I hate the disjointed hours. i worked at A&F during the summers all through the last year of HS and first two years of college, so I'm hoping that, cumulatively, that's enough to count as experience.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877557)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:11 AM
Author: Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office

for a data entry job, an ex data entry clerk >>> an inexperienced smart kid

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877398)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:47 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

WTF are you talking about? $12/hour jobs are a dime a dozen. If you can't get one, there's something wrong with you.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877856)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:51 AM
Author: Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge

Surprisingly, no.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877867)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:21 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Wrong. The OP is being dumb. He seems to think that a resume is about slapping all the gold stars he has ever gotten on a sheet of paper. And he's wrong, too. Even a fucking landscaping job will pay more than $10/hour. If he keeps his god damned fat ego trap shut and just fills out the application, he'll almost certainly land a $12/hour job.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877961)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:30 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

So do you suggest I start leaving my college off my resume? Or maybe call up my old manager at A&F and ask if he'll tell any potential employers I'd worked there all of last year so I can leave Skadden off my resume? It's not as if I'm passing off resumes with my GPA or class rank on them. Nor am I including anything like "State Finalist, Rhodes Scholarship" or obscure academic honors either. I have a resume and I have a CV - the two differ greatly. I agree that sending the CV off to these jobs would immediately bar me from consideration, as I'd come across as a pompous asshole, but the resume is very consciously tailored towards these sort of jobs, highlighting my "clerical" and organizational experience at Skadden and whatnot.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877983)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:39 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Yeah, you might want to leave college off. Try sending out resumes different resumes. It might be hard to explain where those 4 years went, but if you had non-college jobs during school, you should be ok. It's hard to say without knowing what types of jobs you're applying for.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878012)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:58 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

P.S. $12-$15 is at the low end of the average U.S. wage. Look here http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcst.htm

The average wage looks like it's a bit above $16/hr.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878049)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:18 AM
Author: laughsome slimy stead

Where have you been searching for a job and why do you need it until November?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877431)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:27 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

My fiancee is working a six month contract job in San Fran. I bailed on Skadden and law school to come out here for the six months. Though it sounds obscenely stupid, the benefit is that after the contract is up, her and I are spending the rest of the year either up at Mammoth Mountain or in Park City, so for me it was worth what is effectively a year off. She's footing the bill for the ski thing and, truth be told, would probably foot the bill for all of this time in San Fran, but I REALLY don't want our relationship going in that direction; I'm pretty sure it would make things somewhat bad somewhat quickly, so I'd like to be able to pay my own way out here and have money in my pocket for Mammoth/Park City as well.

I've basically been searching on CL, monster, and run of the mill sources. I'm thinking of calling some temp agenices tomorrow maybe.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877467)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:27 AM
Author: Rose Soul-stirring Brunch Messiness

"you need experience to get that job. but you can't get experience until you get that job."

i heard this somewhere before. is there any truth to it?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877466)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:33 AM
Author: nighttime swollen police squad

I think that line is from either Cocktail or The Secret of My Success

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877514)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: Vivacious opaque market

Very very true

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879994)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:58 AM
Author: Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge

I've experienced the same. The market for low-level jobs of all sorts is incredibly inefficient. It's frustrating, to say the least.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877652)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:08 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

Definitely frustrating. When a job posting states that the company is looking for a dynamic individual with a proven track record of succeeding in challenging environments, I'd like to think my experiences demonstrate just that. It's quickly becoming apparent that what they really mean by that is "looking for individuals with a proven track record of undertaking mundane work without giving us ANY indication they might question the status quo around here."

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877702)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:15 AM
Author: Confused doctorate library

please develop street smarts. Mr. 130+ IQ is not the type of person who "fits" the profile for a $12-$15/hr job. adjust your resume accordingly.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877737)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge

People have different reasons for applying for different jobs. Any decent manager who can withstand the ego challenge would jump at the opportunity to have someone smart working for them, regardless of the money they're willing to work for or the tasks they're willing to undertake. There's no real reason to believe that a smart person will somehow do the same job any *worse* than the typical 100 IQ person.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877802)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:42 AM
Author: Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office

the really smart person is more likely to leave the position when something better comes along, or even steal some of the manager's mojo as he gains expertise. thus it's better to fill a mindless job with a mindless cog

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877842)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:47 AM
Author: Confused doctorate library

this is exactly the advice given by the fine people of Wonderlic.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877855)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:09 AM
Author: Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office

jog my memory; i can't seem to recall what wonderlic is

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877911)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:58 AM
Author: Confused doctorate library

employment testing

http://www.wonderlic.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_Test

The Wonderlic Personnel Test (often referred to as Wunderlich) is an intelligence test primarily known for being administered to prospective players in the National Football League since the 1970s.

The Wonderlic is a twelve-minute, fifty-question exam to assess aptitude for learning a job and adapting to solve problems for employees in a wide range of occupations. The score is calculated as the number of correct answers given in the allotted time.

A score of 20 is intended to indicate average intelligence (corresponding to an intelligence quotient of 100; to convert scores IQ = 2WPT + 60). It is rumored that at least one player has scored a 1 on the test.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878047)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:20 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

That happened to me at one of those $12-$15/hr jobs. I was on a team of about 20 people headed by a young, friendly, but not-too-bright TTT state school "leadership" major. After a few weeks on the job, I was one one of the top two employees on in the group. When I'd see things I thought could be imporoved, I'd write memos after work to my supervisor and the supervisor above him explaining the problem and what I thought the solutions might be. They loved it, and some of the changes were implemented. Within a few months I was offered an entry-level manager position in a similar department. But I turned it down when to get more old fashioned book learnin'. And at about the same time the other guy who was at the top quit when he got his accounting degree. After we quit, the numbers for the department slipped a lot, which caused the manager to crack down on the remaining people to do better so he wouldn't get his ass chewed, and that caused a few more people to quit. After that the manager suddenly decided that the other guy and I had really been trouble-makers and talked some (subtle) shit about us after we had left. I think the lesson I learned was that shitty jobs and the people who run them just aren't very good at dealing with unusually high performers.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877955)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:00 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

@#$!@#%&*^%$#

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878056)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:00 AM
Author: narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop

"Any decent manager who can withstand the ego challenge would jump at the opportunity..."

Herein lies the problem. This snooty attitude is probably coming across in your resume, etc. Change that and you'll find work.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878231)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:26 AM
Author: Ultramarine Titillating Kitty Lodge

I'm in the process of moving and looking for jobs in a new city. Just something that would pay $30k and give me health insurance so I can support myself for a year before starting med school. At this level, there's a very miniscule chance that anyone applying for the same positions would actually end up doing the job better than me. I'm a good worker, and pick up things quickly. Yet because I don't have a bachelor's degree in marketing, "exercise science," or some other ridiculous vocational field for the double-digit IQ set, I fail to meet even the baseline requirements for many of the jobs I'd enjoy having. What's more, if that wasn't enough of an obstacle, my lacking the all-important 1-2 years of experience in a related field also slams shut many of the remaining doors.

Smart, hard-workers can learn in about a month what it takes other people a year to become good at, and then do the same job that much better. This has been the case with every job I've managed to finagle my way into up till now, though I'm not sure how to convince employers of it.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877787)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:56 AM
Author: Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office

you're right. one of my friends graduated magna from UCLA, and started applying for paralegal jobs with big name LA firms. he finally got an interview after a maddening spate of dings. after several interviews, the interviewers informed him that they were going to fill the position with an attorney. the "attorney" graduated from whittier law (a 4th tier school outside of LA), and had been "practicing" (read: temping) for several years. there's no way in hell that attorney was brighter or could learn things faster than my friend, yet the attorney got the gig, presumably because of "experience," whatever that means. one way to look at it is that the attorney brought immediately useful, practical skills to the position, while my friend brought a whole lot of "potential." but the way i see it, all low level, dead end jobs (like paralegal) are best filled with experienced idiots. the best jobs are reserved for people who are actually bright. there are a bunch of reasons for this, most of them obvious. so be patient, i'm sure you're going to be fine.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877878)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:56 AM
Author: narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop

UCLA Law does not rank students.

hth

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878221)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:06 AM
Author: Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office

i never said my friend went to UCLA Law.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878249)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:37 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

<< Smart, hard-workers can learn in about a month what it takes other people a year to become good at, and then do the same job that much better. >>

I think that's generally right for the class of jobs we're talking about.

Examples of smart people doing well in dumb people jobs:

- Collections. Me and the accounting guy (previously mentioned in this thread) were by far the top employees in a collections department after a few weeks. We were beating people who had 6 months to a few years of experience in just under a month. The next closest people were about 15% to 20% less productive than us.

- Telemarketing. Two of my friends from high school had after school jobs in a telemarketing firm. Both won top performer awards their second month on the job.

- Road construction. After high school, one of my friends worked at a road construction contractor as a flagger/traffic controller to save some money for college. He learned the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices and how to set up the safety plans on sites so fast that he was promoted to a supervisory position doing after two months. It paid almost $50,000/year with overtime, so he stayed on for two more years and then went to college.

- Hotels. I had an ex-girlfriend who was promoted from night clerk to hotel manager within 4 months. As far as I know, she never went to college (I lost touch with her).

My guess is that a lot of people here are just bullshitting about how they think the world of shitty jobs works. They have no experience with them and don't even have friends who have experience with them.

All else being equal, smart people absolutely stomp their peers in low-level jobs to which intelligence can be applied. That's virtually every job. There might be some small exceptions that require only brute strength or things like that, but for everything else, smart people race past their peers.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878007)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:06 AM
Author: Confused doctorate library

"All else being equal, smart people absolutely stomp their peers in low-level jobs to which intelligence can be applied. That's virtually every job. There might be some small exceptions that require only brute strength or things like that, but for everything else, smart people race past their peers."

But low-level jobs are boring for smarty pants (leading to all sorts of problems). this is why things like this happen:

http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/seitz/wonderlic.htm



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878072)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:10 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

that link is FANTASTIC

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878084)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:15 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

So, uhm, where do those chuckleheads get their detectives from? It seems like the entire pool is limited to people with an IQ of no more than about 114.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878095)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:12 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Isn't that the Kelo city?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878087)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:16 AM
Author: Confused doctorate library

yes,

The governmental taking of property from one private owner to give to another in furtherance of economic development constitutes a permissible "public use" under the Fifth Amendment. Supreme Court of Connecticut affirmed.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878097)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:18 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Great. They'll have mediocre cops watching that new development.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878104)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:32 AM
Author: Confused doctorate library

smart cops would spend most of their days collecting bribes.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878148)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:12 PM
Author: Histrionic Tanning Salon Clown

It is possible the claim that they rejected him because he was too smart was really a cover for illegal age discrimination. This was a 48-year-old guy applying to be a police officer.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879875)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:24 PM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Possibly. But presumably that would have come out in discovery when they looked at the records of past rejections.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879909)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:08 PM
Author: scarlet passionate toaster

My favoriate line from the article:

[Millie McLaughlin, 82, the lunch lady at Harbor Elementary School, worries that pupils will think that "if they study too hard, they won't get a job."]

Such a sweet old lady :D

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880063)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:47 AM
Author: Pearl really tough guy

try to get a job busing tables or working in a supermarket or something like that. it's not $15/hr, but it's better than nothing. start looking for a higher paying job after you've already got a stream of income.

also, you might be able to get a tutoring job if you can convince your would-be employer you're working on a credential.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877853)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:58 AM
Author: narrow-minded stimulating gaming laptop

titcr. It's something.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878230)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:07 AM
Author: galvanic fear-inspiring electric furnace

the only thing you're qualified to do is either moving stuff or tutoring. Tutoring probably pays more so do that. Can't be that hard can it? Call up Testmasters or even Kaplan/PR.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877906)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:12 AM
Author: Pale nubile pistol

That'll probably be what I end up doing, though it's the idea of not having health insurance that comes with it that scares me. I suppose I'll look into private, individual insurance and hope it's not overly expensive. I've also looked into private tutoring outfits that do basic high school tutoring.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877929)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:59 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Catastrophic insurance for young people isn't that bad. Full coverage with a deductible under $500 or so will suck.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878051)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:47 AM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

No. He should be fine for just about any low-level service industry job.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878027)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:32 PM
Author: Histrionic Tanning Salon Clown

Paralegal?

Kaplan/PR tutor?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879930)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:47 PM
Author: sticky frozen temple hairy legs

Summer school bus drivers get about $12/hr where I am. Pizza delivery drivers start at $10 to $14/hr not including tips.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879981)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:44 PM
Author: concupiscible new version

why not be a waiter/bartender/taxicab driver/delivery guy/temp work/stripper?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880164)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:48 PM
Author: hairraiser theater

A lot of low-level jobs nowadays actually use recruiters to do a pre-screen of a candidate. This way they are not wasting time in their HR department looking through a shit load of resumes. Often these "headhunters" will call you based on a resume you put out in monster or something of equivalent nature. Call one of these headhunters.

I got a job interview, which was literally the next day. I was so qualified for the position that I was hired on the spot. I am not making crazy money, but I am paying the bills and keeping some cash in my pockets for the weekends. Something like this will definitely hold you over for the summer. Sometimes the headhunter agencies take a portion of your first paycheck, and other times the specific company commissions them so you don’t lose anything. I’d suggest looking for the latter.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879986)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:00 PM
Author: flushed garrison scourge upon the earth

almost all bay area employment is highly skilled. seattle is even worse.

don't bother.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880029)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 6:27 PM
Author: Cobalt Black Woman Principal's Office

you have a point. all non white, non asian, and non jewish residents of san francisco are homeless beggars. apparently, the only marketable skill in san francisco is being white, jewish or asian. and don't forget about the rampant leprosy and faggotry.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880288)



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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:57 PM
Author: lavender den fanboi

I was in the same shitty situation last year. Job hunting for shitty low-level office jobs (and/or retail jobs) is the most frustrating experience in the world.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880192)