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LOL @ white persecution complex re: % of blacks in FEDGOV

http://www.opm.gov/About_OPM/Reports/FEORP/2010/feorp2010.pd...
Curious Base
  03/23/12
Incompetence and fuck ups dominated by blacks though bro
blue skinny woman rehab
  03/23/12
corruption, graft and waste dominated by whites bro
Curious Base
  03/23/12
LOL, no. blacks are BY FAR more corrupt than whites as a wh...
Dashing Tripping Boiling Water Coldplay Fan
  03/23/12
This this this
blue skinny woman rehab
  03/23/12
lol ok, eager reptile
cyan fantasy-prone hell
  05/27/12
...
Narrow-minded Histrionic Plaza
  05/22/14
(balitmore - the wire)
Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter
  03/23/12
(guy who gets his info from fictional tv shows)
Curious Base
  10/14/12
Boom!
Razzle-dazzle Theatre
  05/22/14
Don't they have AA for promotions too?
vermilion abode deer antler
  03/23/12
AA is a myth perpetuated to keep lower and middle class whit...
Curious Base
  03/23/12
Take out "a myth" and I would agree with you.
blue skinny woman rehab
  03/23/12
How is official government policy a myth?
Glassy Frisky Set
  03/23/12
stated policy = myth? LOL
Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter
  03/23/12
A lot of minority groups spend a lot of time and money defen...
lascivious stage
  03/23/12
Lmfao
idiotic glittery box office
  05/22/14
180
Narrow-minded Histrionic Plaza
  05/22/14
this proves that they are right.
diverse godawful site
  05/27/12
nearly 18% black is still pretty crazy considering blacks ma...
Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter
  03/23/12
...
Dashing Tripping Boiling Water Coldplay Fan
  03/23/12
...
hairraiser obsidian university
  03/23/12
seriously dude what kind of fucking qualifications do you ne...
concupiscible spot
  03/23/12
cr
Grizzly soul-stirring locale
  03/24/12
...
adventurous drunken parlor sound barrier
  03/24/12
you realize that fed gov jobs are very desirous for a variet...
Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter
  03/24/12
they are still overrepresented in senior positions given the...
diverse godawful site
  05/27/12
Underrepresented does not equal discrimination. Maybe the...
carmine wrinkle space
  05/27/12
public facing positionss may not require paper qualification...
Glassy Frisky Set
  05/27/12
and I don't think anyone would argue the fact that the avera...
unholy bright corner
  05/27/12
Unfortunately many people compete for those simple governmen...
Aphrodisiac bipolar brunch
  05/27/12
i hear the federal dmv is very prestigious
idiotic glittery box office
  05/27/12
lol tyft
hairraiser obsidian university
  07/04/12
...
Curious Base
  10/14/12
("clever" person who has never been to Washington ...
Khaki Harsh Resort
  05/22/14
if you don't need qualifications for those jobs, why are whi...
Bateful bossy lay
  10/05/13
...
Red talented pocket flask
  05/27/12
180
adventurous drunken parlor sound barrier
  03/23/12
ty, little breh. just trying to inject a little reality to t...
Curious Base
  03/24/12
a lot of people on this board live in a fantasy world
Flatulent misanthropic institution
  03/24/12
some of the rage is even a bit scary, like that burrito fart...
adventurous drunken parlor sound barrier
  03/24/12
interpret these stats for me in a way that justified op's cl...
diverse godawful site
  05/27/12
...
Curious Base
  04/19/14
why do bitchmade whites hate blacks for trying to BOOTSTRAP ...
Grizzly soul-stirring locale
  03/24/12
good q, little breh
Curious Base
  03/24/12
SENIOR LEVELS, bro.
Red talented pocket flask
  03/24/12
You are shooting youself in the foot here. a) At 18% of ...
jet-lagged property newt
  03/24/12
Representation in Senior Pay Levels ("Senior" = GS...
Curious Base
  03/24/12
are you really this dumb bro?
diverse godawful site
  05/27/12
Blacks are overepresented in large cities though. Stands to ...
honey-headed stag film black woman
  05/27/12
This. IDK if the figures here include the postal service ...
Dark boistinker
  07/04/12
An empirical matter, but this strikes me as incorrect. I kno...
jet-lagged property newt
  07/05/12
This couldn't possibly have anything to do with defense spen...
honey-headed stag film black woman
  04/19/14
...
Curious Base
  03/25/12
...
Curious Base
  05/27/12
i dont believe these stats (the ones about overall rates)--i...
Thriller crackhouse goal in life
  05/27/12
yeah i guess the fedgov's office of personnel management isn...
Curious Base
  05/27/12
...
Curious Base
  10/05/13
...
Curious Base
  05/27/12
u realize that you have brutally self pwned in this thread?
diverse godawful site
  05/27/12
lol just lol
Curious Base
  05/27/12
do you not realize that these stats show that blacks are ove...
diverse godawful site
  05/27/12
(guy with enormous persecution complex)
Curious Base
  05/27/12
The unspoken truth in the fed gov is that minority hiring is...
Brass library volcanic crater
  05/27/12
fuckin' shitvets takin' are jobs
swollen motley indian lodge
  05/27/12
the vet preference is the real outrage. it's not like &qu...
Aphrodisiac bipolar brunch
  05/27/12
lol @ the mads itt. hey mads: please continue to go through ...
Beady-eyed pearly faggotry son of senegal
  05/27/12
...
Curious Base
  05/27/12
u sound mad.
Aphrodisiac bipolar brunch
  05/27/12
mads. lol, that's rich. another xoxo original
lake sanctuary boltzmann
  05/27/12
...
Curious Base
  07/04/12
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Grizzly soul-stirring locale
  07/05/12
...
Curious Base
  03/31/13
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Curious Base
  05/27/12
goddamn vets
Impertinent Casino Scourge Upon The Earth
  07/05/12
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Curious Base
  04/19/15


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Date: March 23rd, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: Curious Base

http://www.opm.gov/About_OPM/Reports/FEORP/2010/feorp2010.pdf

The Federal workforce is 66.2 percent White, 17.7 percent Black, 8.0 percent Hispanic, 5.6 percent Asian/Pacific Islander, 1.8 percent Native American, and 0.7 percent non-Hispanic/Multi-racial.

Representation in Senior Pay Levels ("Senior" = GS-13 and up):

- White: 82.3

- Black: 6.4

- Azn: 6.1

- Hispanic: 4.0



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280219)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 9:57 PM
Author: blue skinny woman rehab

Incompetence and fuck ups dominated by blacks though bro

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280227)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 9:58 PM
Author: Curious Base

corruption, graft and waste dominated by whites bro

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280233)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 9:59 PM
Author: Dashing Tripping Boiling Water Coldplay Fan

LOL, no. blacks are BY FAR more corrupt than whites as a whole (see, e.g., any black city's black goverment: Detroit, East St. Louis, etc.)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280243)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: blue skinny woman rehab

This this this

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280248)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 6:16 PM
Author: cyan fantasy-prone hell

lol ok, eager reptile

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20777070)



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Date: May 22nd, 2014 8:57 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Histrionic Plaza



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25608845)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter

(balitmore - the wire)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280249)



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Date: October 14th, 2012 4:41 PM
Author: Curious Base

(guy who gets his info from fictional tv shows)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#21786256)



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Date: May 22nd, 2014 9:06 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Theatre

Boom!

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25608854)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 9:58 PM
Author: vermilion abode deer antler

Don't they have AA for promotions too?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280236)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 9:59 PM
Author: Curious Base

AA is a myth perpetuated to keep lower and middle class whites agitated and distracted from the fact that the kleptocratic elite is gaping them

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280240)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:01 PM
Author: blue skinny woman rehab

Take out "a myth" and I would agree with you.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280254)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: Glassy Frisky Set

How is official government policy a myth?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280259)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter

stated policy = myth? LOL

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280264)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:03 PM
Author: lascivious stage

A lot of minority groups spend a lot of time and money defending this "myth"

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280266)



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Date: May 22nd, 2014 4:04 AM
Author: idiotic glittery box office

Lmfao

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25608585)



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Date: May 22nd, 2014 8:57 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Histrionic Plaza

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25608847)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:16 PM
Author: diverse godawful site

this proves that they are right.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775829)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter

nearly 18% black is still pretty crazy considering blacks make up like 10% of america and are also usually in the bottom 10% in terms of qualifications.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280244)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: Dashing Tripping Boiling Water Coldplay Fan



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280246)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:01 PM
Author: hairraiser obsidian university



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280256)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: concupiscible spot

seriously dude what kind of fucking qualifications do you need to work at the DMV, or as a receptionist at the public health clinic. Blacks make up the majority of public facing positions which requires little education/experience.

As the guy posted above, the stats show that minorities are underrepresented in positions that may actually require qualifications.

Get a fucking life.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280294)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:12 PM
Author: Grizzly soul-stirring locale

cr

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284066)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:14 PM
Author: adventurous drunken parlor sound barrier



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284077)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:17 PM
Author: Adulterous nibblets faggot firefighter

you realize that fed gov jobs are very desirous for a variety of reasons?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284100)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:17 PM
Author: diverse godawful site

they are still overrepresented in senior positions given their ability and qualifications, hth

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775831)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:35 PM
Author: carmine wrinkle space

Underrepresented does not equal discrimination.

Maybe they are underrepresented because they aren't qualified or they just fucking stupid?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775880)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 4:03 PM
Author: Glassy Frisky Set

public facing positionss may not require paper qualifications, but tbey require some pretty obvious soft skills that not everyone possesses.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776204)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 6:28 PM
Author: unholy bright corner

and I don't think anyone would argue the fact that the average black woman is ideally suited for customer service roles....right....

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20777155)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 4:10 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac bipolar brunch

Unfortunately many people compete for those simple government jobs becasue they have great security and benefits.

Seems unfair to use those just to placate a racial group.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776237)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 5:29 PM
Author: idiotic glittery box office

i hear the federal dmv is very prestigious

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776704)



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Date: July 4th, 2012 1:46 PM
Author: hairraiser obsidian university

lol tyft

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#21014478)



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Date: October 14th, 2012 4:43 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#21786265)



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Date: May 22nd, 2014 9:30 AM
Author: Khaki Harsh Resort

("clever" person who has never been to Washington DC)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25608919)



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Date: October 5th, 2013 4:26 PM
Author: Bateful bossy lay

if you don't need qualifications for those jobs, why are white people deemed unqualified for them?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#24174933)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 6:29 PM
Author: Red talented pocket flask



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20777166)



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Date: March 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: adventurous drunken parlor sound barrier

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20280250)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:06 PM
Author: Curious Base

ty, little breh. just trying to inject a little reality to this circlejerk of impotent pink-faced rage.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284046)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:08 PM
Author: Flatulent misanthropic institution

a lot of people on this board live in a fantasy world

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284051)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:14 PM
Author: adventurous drunken parlor sound barrier

some of the rage is even a bit scary, like that burrito farts guy in the zimmerman thread

why do people here get so worked up about this shit

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284081)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:18 PM
Author: diverse godawful site

interpret these stats for me in a way that justified op's claim pls

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775832)



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Date: April 19th, 2014 5:18 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25410195)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 1:13 PM
Author: Grizzly soul-stirring locale

why do bitchmade whites hate blacks for trying to BOOTSTRAP themselves into the middle class?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20284074)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 3:07 PM
Author: Curious Base

good q, little breh

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20285085)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 3:09 PM
Author: Red talented pocket flask

SENIOR LEVELS, bro.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20285095)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 3:10 PM
Author: jet-lagged property newt

You are shooting youself in the foot here.

a) At 18% of FEDGOV jobs and only 12% of population they are vastly overrepresented right off the bat.

b) Don't forget that when you take out felons, ex-felons, highschool drop-outs, etc, you are probably left with maybe 5% of the adult population.

Given that, tell me again how XO's "rage" is not justified?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20285106)



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Date: March 24th, 2012 7:46 PM
Author: Curious Base

Representation in Senior Pay Levels ("Senior" = GS-13 and up):

- White: 82.3

- Black: 6.4

- Azn: 6.1

- Hispanic: 4.0

(LOL @ white persecution complex re: % of blacks in FEDGOV)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20288291)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:18 PM
Author: diverse godawful site

are you really this dumb bro?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775834)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 3:48 PM
Author: honey-headed stag film black woman

Blacks are overepresented in large cities though. Stands to reason that large cities= more govt. jobs.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776124)



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Date: July 4th, 2012 1:48 PM
Author: Dark boistinker

This.

IDK if the figures here include the postal service or military. But something like 15% of all federal employees work in or around DC, which is a majority black city.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#21014484)



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Date: July 5th, 2012 8:41 PM
Author: jet-lagged property newt

An empirical matter, but this strikes me as incorrect. I know for example that federal expenditure is something like 80 cent per tax dollar paid for city residents and $1.70 for rural residents. The reason of course is that you can have economies of scale in cities but you need to provide similar services in rural areas. You still need a post office with a couple of staff in a town of 500 for example, while a city of 100K would have maybe only 2-3 offices.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#21023430)



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Date: April 19th, 2014 5:23 PM
Author: honey-headed stag film black woman

This couldn't possibly have anything to do with defense spending could it?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#25410230)



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Date: March 25th, 2012 2:46 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20293504)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:14 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775827)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:21 PM
Author: Thriller crackhouse goal in life

i dont believe these stats (the ones about overall rates)--i do think it's believable that there arent that many blacks in GS-13+ positions though

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775839)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:22 PM
Author: Curious Base

yeah i guess the fedgov's office of personnel management isn't really trustworthy on these stats.

LOL, persecuted whites ignore reality - why?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775842)



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Date: October 5th, 2013 4:24 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#24174913)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:30 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775863)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:30 PM
Author: diverse godawful site

u realize that you have brutally self pwned in this thread?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775865)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:31 PM
Author: Curious Base

lol just lol

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775870)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:36 PM
Author: diverse godawful site

do you not realize that these stats show that blacks are overrepresented in senior positions given the underlying distribution of ability in the black population?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775885)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 3:07 PM
Author: Curious Base

(guy with enormous persecution complex)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20775986)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 3:44 PM
Author: Brass library volcanic crater

The unspoken truth in the fed gov is that minority hiring is taking a huge nosedive. In the past when the private sector actually created good paying jobs, fed gov was seen as a crappy career with crappy future prospects. So those jobs went to non-elite grads , those who were the first to graduate from college in their family, mediocre students, those without good professional connections etc, because they were the only ones who applied.

Now just about everyone applies to any position posted on USAJobs. Since most positions require a "first cut" made on the basis of the numerical score assigned to the applicant, few if any URM's even get to the interview stage. There are no points given to blacks or hispanics. Points are given to vets, especially those who were wounded in action. In 2010 I read that something like 70% of all USAJobs hires were white male Vets. A wounded vet gets 10 points on his application, which means that a perfectly qualified individual (100 points on his app.) will be bypassed by a vet scoring a 91 (moderately qualified and a very easy score to achieve).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776111)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 3:45 PM
Author: swollen motley indian lodge

fuckin' shitvets takin' are jobs

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776117)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 4:13 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac bipolar brunch

the vet preference is the real outrage.

it's not like "vet" means "served in combat." it just means "enlisted in the military."

basically if you weren't in the military, no matter how qualified you are, you're already at a massive disadvantage on USAJobs.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776249)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 4:02 PM
Author: Beady-eyed pearly faggotry son of senegal

lol @ the mads itt. hey mads: please continue to go through life mad like faggot.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776201)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 4:13 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776248)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 4:13 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac bipolar brunch

u sound mad.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776250)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: lake sanctuary boltzmann

mads. lol, that's rich.

another xoxo original

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#20776793)



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Date: July 4th, 2012 1:36 PM
Author: Curious Base



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905999&forum_id=2#21014415)



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Date: July 5th, 2012 9:49 PM
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