Date: November 13th, 2026 1:41 PM Author: rubberneck
Massie doesn't have sex with men. he's attracted to little children. for all I know they could be little girls but his facial profile indicates it's probably boys.
Date: November 13th, 2026 12:51 AM Author: ferengi
i'm more of a progressive populist so i've been voting GREEN a lot, ik it's kinda dorky but they've had honest and intelligent and courageous candidates (and they don't take corporate money so they won't becum corporate-owned like Ds and Rs)
Date: November 13th, 2026 12:30 AM Author: Historical American
Nick Fuentes recently said he hates Massie. He the he's a dork and he doesn't want the President to be some anti war Libertarian. He wants the President to be a Teddy Roosevelt imperialist and to wield power over our dominion and he is not no wars, just no wars for Jews. Thoughts?
Date: November 13th, 2026 12:32 AM Author: ferengi
i also disagree with Massie substantially on policy in some areas, but it would be 180 to have a principled peacemo in charge. no wars period, not just no new wars for Jews. Nick Fuentes sounds more like a Dem asset / deep state plant every day
Date: November 13th, 2026 12:37 AM Author: Historical American
He's 180. He's a red blooded war mongering imperialist. Everything you and progressives hate. His whole point is not to be a nation of inward facing Pacifists. His vision is to do everything that Israel would do for Jews around the world but for the goyim. He's a nationalist the same way Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco were. Germany for the Germans. The same way Israel is for the Jews. Nick wants an America that's not for everybody. It's for our people. He wants to bring back white chauvinism. Why can't we be proud of our people? Why can't the country be tilted to benefit us, the descendants of the people who actually built it from nothing?
Date: November 13th, 2026 9:26 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
What the fuck does imperialism and unnecessary warfare have to do with being proud of / being for our people? Past the point of effective self defense, it robs from the people and hastens decline
Nick's years in the wilderness make it difficult for him to align with anyone/anything, and some of it is just comical, like being anti-Massie
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:28 AM Author: Historical American
He's right about everything and you just don't see it. You're missing the vision. We're objectively an empire with imperial ambitions. We prosper from controlling the world's oceans. We prosper from a lot of shit that you can't get if you're like, Bermuda. There are plenty of places you can go if you want to opt out of our system. But to say we're just going to be peaceful and do nothing is insane. It's not possible. It's a fantasy. And while we're bullying the rest of the world to get our way we might as well a) be good at it, and b) do things that benefit us and not Israel.
But you people are really in denial that we're all going to just cut the crap and never impose our will around the world for our benefit. You're nuts. The Iran War was stupid as hell. Venezuela was 180. Cuba would have been nice. Let's clear our orbit. Progressives were apoplectic about Venezuela. Max Blumenthal's tankie wife was in tears that we overthrew their beautiful Commie project down there that immiserated millions of people. Absolutely devastating!
You're really behind the times if you don't foresee that groyper is the future of conservative politics. I can tell a lot of you ITT are smoking the ganj. The dark horse candidate will rise in 2028. It's all happening despite gunneratttt's futile protestations.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:36 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
We are an empire with imperial ambitions. You're right. What you don't see is that we don't need to be and shouldn't be, and that to the extent it's beneficial to project power, overreliance on it weakens us. The most relevant parts of the world are working wide-eyed to reduce their reliance on us and our systems because of it.
Those who see value only through the fist are as bad and cartoonish as people who think the only response to aggression is to turn the other cheek. They just delude themselves because it excites them to punch others, never realizing counter punches will land
I didn't realize I was making a prediction for future nominees ITT. Please, conjure up some more fever dreams to lecture me about
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:42 AM Author: Historical American
Yeah man, *tokes bong*, who like, even needs the Panama Canal? This is all just war mongers tricking the public into voting for them. Anyway, wanna play Mario Kart?
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:39 AM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
You change political ideologies every day like someone permanently in freshman polisci 101. Guess you're trying on a neocon schtick today because some catty twink told you to.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:43 AM Author: Historical American
I was to the right of Nick on Iran War. I thought initially if it could be done quickly and effectively it would be worth it. You actually attacked me relentlessly for this. So to wit we can agree that I am more of a neocon than Nick and your assertion that I change my views all the time is wrong. Right? Right? Right?
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:49 AM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
You vehemently supporting the war and castigating anyone wbo opposed you only to switch up to opposing it and calling it stupid because it wasn't over in two weeks is a great example how you vaciliate like a child who doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:59 AM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
When someone supports stepping on a rake because he thinks it won't hit him in face, changes their mind when it does, but only for that one rake and wants to continue stepping on other rakes, that is not meaningfully changing your mind when proven wrong. It's doubling down on stupidity despite experiencing the consequences.
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:00 AM Author: Historical American
It's not like I was in the war room with Trump, Vance, Rubio, and Hegseth. I was an invisible peon with no political power sitting on the sidelines watching it unfold. My country went to war and as a true patriot I supported it by doing the one thing I can control, poasting on XO. After countless subthread wastelands where I got attacked by gunneratttt, I eventually decided that the war was complete ass and a boondoggle. But it's not like *I* started the war.
Nick said Trump sucks don't vote for him two years before the Iran War. He was onto something. For now we see through a glass, darkly...
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:55 AM Author: Historical American
Yeah and Nick was right which is why I listen to him. He called it. But your point is that I was becoming a neocon. The truth is I always was one. Ljl at you. I'm becoming an America First nationalist. Nick agrees with what I'm saying. I'm sure he can forgive me for being short sighted because I was TOO right wing. You're not right wing at all. You're not even in the conversation. The groypers are taking over the right in '28 and you won't be a part of it and your views aren't part of the relevant conversation. All I have to do is send Nick an apology form saying I'm sorry man, I wanted to blow up brown people too much and I wasn't wise to the Jewish plot. You were right and I was wrong. Meanwhile you're stuffed to the gills with left wing nonsense and you won't have anything to do with the conversation and even if you ultimately vote GOP in '28 you'll have some roundabout circular logic reason for doing so that absolves you of having had zero impact on the discourse. But such is your nature.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:50 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
You're a good example of why humanity is so dumb: poor grasp of second order effects and beyond
You ask yourself "can we do it" and think competent analysis ends there. The better approach is to try to figure out whether doing it is beneficial and what the knock on effects might be
Worse, you have over 3 decades of middle eastern wars to use as data points, with which to better anticipate second order effects, but you're too dim to try
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:01 AM Author: Historical American
I agree the war was dumb. Trump didn't run on the war. No one voted for this. Trump did something unpopular and got crushed in the midterms and his popularity is abysmal. News at 11. What any of this has to do with me is beyond me...
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:12 AM Author: Historical American
Right because I'm a patriot who supports the country. No one would have voted for Trump if he campaigned on the Iran War. He would have gotten blown out. But when it happened I was hoping for the best and supporting my country. I voted for libs too and lord knows what they'll do to screw up the country. But you have to hope for the best. You and gunneratttt are acting like I have a show on Fox News and my opinions have a real world impact in real time. I'm not going to apologize for supporting my country and President. That's insane. But I didn't do fuckall to create this situation. That's just bizarre.
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:14 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
You responding to me saying you've got poor thinking abilities to defend yourself by effectively saying "I give up on thinking just to support whatever is happening" is a truly masterful rebuttal
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:16 AM Author: Historical American
Yeah poasting a hot take on XO is REALLY impacting the world. So is supporting your country when they go to war. I wouldn't have spit on the troops coming home from Vietnam either. Call me crazy!
Date: November 13th, 2026 12:46 PM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
It was absolutely devasting because it implies you're unserious and lazy. Which stands in stark contrast to HATP's solid and serious arguments such as "I was only for the war when I thought we'd win quickly" and "My opinions have no impact anyway."
Date: November 13th, 2026 9:24 AM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
Sounds like Fuentes is a catty faggot who will find a reason to oppose anyone includong the one principled elected republican that lost his seat because he remained consistent about opposing wars for Israel which is ostensibly Nick's #1 issue.
Date: November 13th, 2026 9:27 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
He's almost surely compromised/controlled, and he definitely has an insane drive to avoid any kind of beneficial alignments, even to the point of spouting nonsense about Israel and the desperate need as a 5'1 twink to feel tough through his country
Date: November 13th, 2026 9:31 AM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
I think his cattyness amd aversion to align with anyone is solid proof he isn't compromised/controlled. But either way he's a catty, narcissitic homosexual and it'll never stop being hilarious he's become the leader for white supremacists amongst the most dynsgenic, low-value extremely online people.
Date: November 13th, 2026 9:38 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Agree with the hilarity of the latter point
For control, I think about it two ways. #1, when you are strongly reactionary to certain things, you can be manipulated by inducing those reactions. This is soft control, and I would expect that it's exercised somewhat effectively with him
#2, there is overt control, and for that, my mind goes back to Jesse Ventura's claims that when he won the governorship as an independent, that he was sat down ostensibly by domestic intelligence to find out how to keep that from happening in the future and to make him afraid
I don't think shadowy cabals are dragging every popular influencer to dark basements to interrogate them, but if shit like that happens with governors, it's not something I can fully discount when it comes to people in positions to unify groups that are usually hard to unify
he's an Angry Little Faggot Who Hates Everything with a substantially sized platform of young men. so of course people will try to exert control over his message behind the scenes.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:42 AM Author: Richard Ames
I think most people on this bort won't "get it" about this. It's less "we need to go fight endless wars" and more "let's drop the pretense and take what we need by force without apology."
Always reminds me of the BAP book section on "imagine a man who looked like Mitt Romney, but who behaved as such."
Would require an unbelievably charismatic leader, TBH. IMO Trump moved us in this direction. But he's too old and doesn't have the real juice to be this kind of leader.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:51 AM Author: Historical American
This is obvious. I hate to be glib but everyone with a brain knows that Trump pushed us towards nationalism and that he's also an old faggy boomer who is completely cooked. But thank you yes I agree.
The real problem is the racial and social component. How do we get around Latino voting bloques etc. That's much harder. But Nick has already won the right for the foreseeable future and everyone knows it. A lot of people are saying this. Amazing that Millennial chuds ITT are stanning for Thomas Massie ljl. The future is Nationalist and unapologetic. But we have to bring race into it one way or another.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:56 AM Author: Richard Ames
It apparently isn't obvious to some people ITT.
Latinos can be won over. You ever actually spend time with Latinos? And just look at South America.
TBH I think a lot of the white nationalist stuff is just DOA and has been for a while. Doesn't mean we want America to be overrun with Muslims and Haitians...but Mexican bros are actually more chill and their bad behavior can be policed out.
Bigger divide politically is really men vs. women. The libs are so insanely female-coded, it's almost beyond belief. And let's be real, women are crying out for strong men to push back on their stupid bullshit with force.
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:05 AM Author: Historical American
I find all other races detestable. I think we should ban Spanish. I think we need to downgrade them to second class citizens with non voting rights. I am extremely racist tbh. There is nothing wrong with multiethnic America that can't be fixed by a whiter America.
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:13 AM Author: Richard Ames
LMAO. I don't disagree with your last sentence, but it's also like why don't we just ask for a pony while we're at it.
TBH the deeper issue that would solve a LOT of this would be ending the Fed and going back to the gold standard. But that's probably as much of a jerkoff fantasy at this point as banning Latinos from voting.
I am prob also influenced by the fact that I've gotten to know more Latino bros over the years and often think "uhh wait, I have more in common with them from a values standpoint than literally millions of white libs." Even if I typically work in a different stratosphere, it's like who cares. They aren't about to send me some bullshit email leading with "I hope this finds you well" or some gay BS.
Date: November 13th, 2026 10:59 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Removing the euphemisms is refreshing. And I agree that the question is where on the gradient of no force to naked and continuous force our foreign policy should fall
People who think naked force is a broad pathway to success have a tendency to grossly overestimate the force they can actually wield on a sustained basis. It's a short term play with short term vision, and the end is ignominious and brutal
I'd rather play the long game of sustained success and primacy. For that, soft power wins as long as it is coupled with brutal and decisive hard power when actually threatened
Date: November 13th, 2026 11:17 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Words have meaning. For most of us, it's not that difficult in most situations to know whether two things are roughly synonymous
If you genuinely believe "I don't like you" equals "you're an actual threat," then you correctly diagnosed yourself as a neocon ITT and should probably just leave it at that
Date: November 13th, 2026 12:40 AM Author: .Nicholas J. Fuentes
massie is a fucking retard with zero principles. fakest libertarian in history. alleging countless random ppl committed sex crimes and demanding they all be damned in the court of public opinion is the least libertarian thing in history. the entire epstein shtick is the realm of utter fucking retards.