Date: March 21st, 2023 12:39 AM Author: glittery garrison
For the “witnesses” sure, but they were just pawns and the money was just bait.
I mean what was the motive for the puppetmasters who orchestrated the whole thing?
A few greedy proles and sleazeball lawyers can’t pull something this huge off on their own - there had to be a source of real power behind it all to get the university as a whole to lay down and take the ruination of its reputation without much of a fight.
Date: March 21st, 2023 2:04 AM Author: Medicated Theater Stage Laser Beams
I’m unsatisfied with anything in the essay as a complete explanation for how/why this all started.
I’m sure what he describes happened, but I’m equally sure that was just Act I of the play unfolding - I want to know who the writer and director of the play were.
Date: March 21st, 2023 2:05 AM Author: Heritage American Finn
you aren't satisfied with the explanation that it was the attorney general and a few allies of his with aligned interests? he lays out the case pretty clearly
Date: March 22nd, 2023 3:13 AM Author: drunken pistol
My brother in Christ, I believe these were troubled boys who saw the best opportunity for a big payday (which they received) that life was ever likely to bring them.
Date: March 21st, 2023 12:55 AM Author: Beady-eyed At-the-ready Area
“Moreover, there was an innocent explanation of what had startled him. Sandusky was known to shower openly with boys after workouts or games with them. That had been common practice in the recreation center operated by his own father — his model of charitable conduct. When Jerry “horsed around” (however inadvisedly) with youths in public showers, he was taking the role of their buddy or big brother.”
Date: March 22nd, 2023 12:13 PM Author: Beady-eyed At-the-ready Area
The author argues that Sandusky was physically frail and incapable of sexual acts but admits that Sandusky was fit enough to nude “wrestle” 14 year olds in the showers.
Date: March 21st, 2023 1:44 AM Author: federal business firm quadroon
a lot of interesting points here, but the author plays it pretty fast and loose at times, undermining his credibility.
“this 14yo deeply troubled boy in the foster system contemporaneously talked about his HETEROSEXUAL proclivities, so why would he EVER be molested by an older, powerful authority figure who had a lot of say-so over his life and was known to horseplay with boys in the showers?!”
Date: March 21st, 2023 10:48 AM Author: fantasy-prone motley house double fault
kind of tldr, but when you gather 8 or 10 men willing to testify they were raped, i lean hard guilty.
the possible explanations for why they would lie: settlement money, or personal derangement.
having 10 young men in your orbit who are so deranged they would go forward with rape lies is pretty unimaginable.
so... settlement money? JS was no Michael Jackson or Cosby, he was a MINOR MINOR celebrity in a very local region. Can you name the PSU DC now?
So there was no great fame in lying about being a victim. There was, probably, a lot of stigma. Even in our gynocratized age, being a male rape victim cuts against cultural expectations for men.
So these guys all said fuck it, it's good money?
Hard to believe, but again I havent read the defense
my own tldr: if there are more than a few accusers of a minor public figure, without some wild context providing incentive to lie, he's probably very guilty
Date: March 21st, 2023 10:52 AM Author: federal business firm quadroon
i’m skeptical of the article as a whole but these points were convincingly addressed:
“having 10 young men in your orbit who are so deranged they would go forward with rape lies is pretty unimaginable.”
sandusky was very deeply involved in funding and supporting a foster care organization. through this he was in contact with dozens if not hundreds of kids who are likely sexually maladjusted sociopaths.
“so... settlement money? JS was no Michael Jackson or Cosby, he was a MINOR MINOR celebrity in a very local region. Can you name the PSU DC now?”
penn (the ivy league school where sandusky coached) had a nine-figure settlement fund.
Date: March 21st, 2023 10:55 AM Author: fantasy-prone motley house double fault
just saying if i were a juror and heard 8 male witnesses all claim similar rape and the defense was "they are getting civil settlements, so none of it is true" i would still lean guilty.
Date: March 21st, 2023 11:13 AM Author: blue pocket flask
i was honestly surprised that the crews essay seemed as reasonable as it did, given the media coverage that i vaguely remember was so overwhelming for guilty. i agree with your heuristic here, but if i were on the jury, i'd want to dive a lot deeper into all available material on the witnesses and testimony
Date: March 21st, 2023 7:47 PM Author: Heritage American Finn
yep, they all said fuck it, it's good money. seems very cut and dry actually
you have to remember that these guys were all orphans with shitty anti-social genetics from "parents" who couldn't even be fucked to raise them. some of them even had criminal records
the guys who actually initially defended sandusky but then turned once the jewish lawyers showed them dollar signs makes it pretty clear what happened
Date: March 21st, 2023 7:48 PM Author: Aqua judgmental antidepressant drug half-breed
Retard schtick?
Millions of dollars in payouts PSU was practically begging to give to any “accuser,” credible or not, doesn’t constitute “incentive to lie” in your view?
Date: March 21st, 2023 1:33 PM Author: galvanic erotic temple
I was very close to this, and the evidence against Sandusky is most definitely not bullshit. Now, there were a lot of bullshit claims made against the University, but why not? They literally rolled over and opened the checkbook. I'm not sure that they contested any claim whatsoever.
Date: March 21st, 2023 2:55 PM Author: cracking therapy
Just to take the most well known example, the incident that Mike McQueary "eyewitnessed" in the shower. It never happened. Categorically. Not only is there no evidence but the kid in the shower has been identified and has said it's utter bullshit.
Date: March 21st, 2023 3:43 PM Author: cracking therapy
Oh I realize that, the point is that this patently untrue sensationalist bullshit and the subsequent press coverage of the non-existent cover up by Penn State was published as unchallenged fact for months on end and is what led to everything that came after.
Date: March 21st, 2023 11:01 AM Author: Smoky trump supporter
Essay kinda skips over his own son pleading guilty to child porn
it also makes no sense that someone "almost devoid of testosterone" (Crews is in no position to meaningfully evaluate this) would be a three-sport athlete with masculine features and a normal male voice
you need look no further than today's tranny situation to conclude that lack of testosterone has little correlation to sexual deviance
Date: March 21st, 2023 11:10 AM Author: blue pocket flask
Jeffrey was an adopted son of Jerry, and sent naked pictures to 16 year old girls. While unfortunate and criminal, I don't believe it has a bearing on Jerry's guilt or innocence
Date: March 21st, 2023 1:47 PM Author: galvanic erotic temple
Louie Freeh pulled a 10-year old email out of the archives that was sent by someone other than Paterno which said something like, "Joe wants this resolved" or "Joe wants this to go away" and that was more or less the extent to which they could directly tie him to the situation.
Date: March 21st, 2023 5:02 PM Author: Coiffed fear-inspiring indian lodge tattoo
I thought it was that McQueery told Joe and some other high-ups about the shower incident right after it “happened” and the smoking gun for all of them was that no one called the cops about it.
Of course since the shower incident never happened idk
Date: March 21st, 2023 7:40 PM Author: Wild Volcanic Crater
I didn't read the essay, but to me the evidence against Sandusky is overwhelming. If you're not going to convict him, you may as well just say that pedophilia is okay because we're not going to convict you unless you live stream it or something.
Having said that, I have taken a lot of shit for defending Joe Paterno in this entire saga. The people who want to tar and feather him seem to think that that because he didn't personally investigate Sandusky and find out that he was a pedo, then Paterno was complicit. That's idiotic. Paterno is a football coach, not a cop. He reported the alleged abuse to his boss, which is exactly what anyone is supposed to do in that situation. If he did anything wrong, it was that he didn't call the cops based on a secondhand report that a longtime friend did something weird in the shower. If someone told one of my friends that I was a pedo, I would hope that the friend would do a little due diligence before calling the cops immediately. And that's what Paterno did: he told his boss, because he didn't want to call the cops based on a secondhand rumor but also didn't want to launch an investigation himself. Which was exactly what any kind of decent person would have done in that situation.
Date: March 21st, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Heritage American Finn
lol what a poast
"i didn't read a detailed summary of an argument i don't initially agree with on instinct, about a topic i know nothing about. in conclusion, the evidence against this argument that i don't agree with and know nothing about is overwhelming"
Date: March 21st, 2023 8:09 PM Author: Wild Volcanic Crater
I'm supposed to read a 20,000 word piece by some conspiracy theorist that boils down to "I think 10 kids all lied about gay rape for no explicable reason"? Sorry, I am not that gullible, and I have better things to do with my time. It's really sad that the MAGA crowd now defends literal pedophiles if they think it will piss off "global capitalism" or whatever.
Date: March 21st, 2023 10:38 PM Author: blue pocket flask
agreed--8 witnesses alleging abuse, plus one of his adopted kids who said he was ready to testify to the same but ultimately was not called. but also, given the number of players sandusky coached plus his second mile charity, the pool of people who could claim this is really big -- it only takes a small % who are troubled enough to falsely claim.
Newsflash: Do NOT bring this up at work today. Is not a welcome question and most people are not interested in the truth or thinking critically about anything.