Date: December 24th, 2009 6:53 PM Author: razzmatazz range
Floyd is not fighting a roided up freak. This dude could be on some shit that gives him super endurance, feel no pain, and make him strong as fuck. I don't think Floyd is going to foolishly risk his legacy for 40mil.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:56 PM Author: Amber queen of the night location
Roids don't create skill. Plus, the roids are pure speculation. Again, 40mill is not something he'll walk away from. Nor will he walk away from solidifying his legacy as one of the greates p4p fighters off all time.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:03 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
"Roids don't create skill."
yeah man, for sure. they should just be allowed in all boxing matches, because skill is the only difference maker at that level, right?
"Plus, the roids are pure speculation."
no shit you fucking retard - master of the obvious. mayweather's camp is speculating that he's on something, and they want a fair fight, thus the drug test.
"Again, 40mill is not something he'll walk away from."
it can be if your net worth is already insane and you're fighting mostly for your legacy, not the purse. and assuring a fair fight now doesn't mean that a fight and subsequent payday will never happen.
"Nor will he walk away from solidifying his legacy as one of the greates p4p fighters off all time."
already pretty strong, he's looking to make it stronger. making sure he the playing field is level doesn't fucking tarnish his image, dipshit.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:53 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
floyd has all his money. he's as greedy as the next fuck, but i think this if more about securing his legacy than another payday.
mayweather pulls like $100K plus for appearances and has managed his money well - he doesn't need the purse as bad as he needs to shut up the people who think he's scared of manny.
this move shakes up manny's camp and his training, gives mayweather more time, guarantees a more fair fight, etc. it's smart. you could see this shit coming. floyd sr. was talking about manny being on roids a while back.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:57 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
rumors. pshh. show me something real. he's been lauded for being one of the few heavyweights to have his money intelligently managed. are you saying he owes $40 fucking million in back taxes? he has net worth and income - wouldn't be hard for him to work a deal and pay off anything he owed. that's just dumb.
like i said - he's got money. and he could come out of retirement and fight a few chumps to warm up and bank $40 million in like 18 months. he could do all kinds of shit.
you clearly are one of the dudes who have issues with mayweather because of the boisterous/bragging personality. don't let it cloud your mind. the fight will go down, eventually. they risk nothing by calling him out for a simple blood test.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:17 PM Author: Amber queen of the night location
why wouldn't we test every fight like this then? they all affect the fight of the century?
Plus, manny will piss whenever he wants and will give blood three times. He just doesn't want them taking blood the week of the fight and the day of the fight. He is superstitious.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:07 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
"rumors are for the roids as well... "
apples and oranges dipshit. there is now some pretty solid indication that something is up with manny. show me any indications that mayweather owes the kind of money that would force him to put his record on the line for $40 mil other than fatass internet rumor mongers who hate cocky black champions.
"40 mill for one fight instead of training for a three or four or five"
five? lulz man. and mayweather could breeze through some contenders without particularly painful training - we're not talking about a dude that's seriously out of the game here. the only issue is that he'd be criticized as shit for not taking big fights right away and dodging manny, but if he needed money and didn't want to risk his record, that'd be the way to do it. or like i said, he could do any number of other celebrity bullshit things and generate millions without too much effort.
"I have no issues with mayweather but people who talk about this fight not happening over some bullshit request are retarded."
i'm saying that it will happen eventually. the difference is that you're dumbstruck by the purse and thinking that's the only shit pushing them into the ring. mayweather would much rather wait and win than rush into a possibly stacked fight and fuck up his legacy. you have no idea what kind of competitors these dudes are if you think it's strictly for a payday at this point. that factors in, but it's not like it's on the fucking line right now. they'll fight eventually.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:16 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
"Yeah, people always stop wanting more money once they get to 150mill net worth or so. Ever hear of greed?"
right man - the only reason he's out there putting his shit on the line is greed. lol. mayweather is paid for life and he could make more money easily. part of the insistence on a huge purse is that it's a prestige thing - if you're going to come back into the ring with his record, you don't take a fucking chump check.
"Nobody would want to see him fight some no name nothings. I didn't say it was just 5."
no, not as many dudes like you will order the fight, but he could still pull multi-million dollar purses to fight in vegas. there's a level of boxing fanship that goes beyond cruising down to buffalo wild wings to watch the first three rounds, believe it or not.
"Yeah, you seem to not be familiar with the concept of greed."
so your whole argument is that the only that matters to mayweather at all is the purse? he could give a shit about how the fight turns out, just pay him his money? yeah man, that's the attitude that got him there - obviously the guy has NO PRIDE whatsoever. you've got his number dialed. lol man.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:22 PM Author: Amber queen of the night location
Well, it is the fight of the decade and the money is there. I'm glad you think Mayweather isn't greedy. The guy literally flashes thousands of dollars in front of the camera. He is as money obsessed as they come.
One of his nicknames is MONEY MAYWEATHER
MMA is huge and has taken a large portion of money away from boxing. people wont pay to see him fight a no name for 49.95.
HIS NICKNAME IS MONEY MAYWEATHER. Pride is important but if he actually wants to be considered one of the greatest of all time he would fight Manny furthering his reputation and solidifying him as one of the greatest. Have you seen him on HBO? He flaunts his jewlery, cars, clothes. He is as obsessed with that shit as they come.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:34 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
"Well, it is the fight of the decade and the money is there. I'm glad you think Mayweather isn't greedy. The guy literally flashes thousands of dollars in front of the camera. He is as money obsessed as they come."
lol, glad to see you take an athlete's crafted public persona as a fully transparent view into their soul. i wish i could be thirteen again. man, i bet you think michael jordan is a really upstanding family man who enjoys keeping a low profile so he can spend more efficiently work on charity and business ventures.
"One of his nicknames is MONEY MAYWEATHER"
yeah, i know. it's crazy how a high profile black athlete has a materialistic image. also note that a large personal fortune has something of a different connotation in boxing since so few boxers really climb the ranks to true wealth as opposed to big four athletes, but i don't want to deliver a lecture here.
"MMA is huge and has taken a large portion of money away from boxing. people wont pay to see him fight a no name for 49.95."
psshhh. the white trash and asian 12 year olds obsessed with MMA aren't a big crossover into the limited business that boxing was already doing. only a few fighters/fights could ever be big draws in any given year. all the same, a fighter of mayweather's stature couldn't be got into the ring for a chump check, and you had better believe that there are greedy and desperate promoters who would raise any kind of purse to get him into the ring simply because it could be sold as a pay-per-view event and draw some reasonable gate, as opposed to 99% of the other fighters alive. as you said, tough times out there for boxing.
"HIS NICKNAME IS MONEY MAYWEATHER. Pride is important but if he actually wants to be considered one of the greatest of all time he would fight Manny furthering his reputation and solidifying him as one of the greatest. Have you seen him on HBO? He flaunts his jewlery, cars, clothes. He is as obsessed with that shit as they come."
see above. homebody is set for life. he's got fucking houses and maybachs and jewelry and whatever the fuck else. $40 million more will mean he can get a nicer boat, new house, some crazy chains, whatever the fuck he wants - but nothing he could already get the basic equal of. it won't catapult his life to a new level.
the outcome of the fight however, could be a FUCKING LIFE CHANGER. you're really just being a little kid if you're still arguing that all he cares about is the fucking purse.
like i told you - the fight will happen and mayweather wants it to happen. he just doesn't want to risk fighting a guy on fucking performance drugs. if you can't wrap your head around that because you hate mayweather so much, then just admit it and move on.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:38 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
damn man, you kind of suck at defending your position. go rip some bench and hit that creatine - you'll forget all about those mean jerks on the internet who think they know everything!
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:40 PM Author: Amber queen of the night location
yeah, this is much different than you asking me what my moniker was on the mpforum. You're a huge joke who actually thinks they have the answer to every fucking thing said. It is annoying dealing with your kind.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:45 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
lulz dude, i gave substantive responses after that, but the shit i responded to with the link was too weak to bother with.
you are actually way more absolutist than me - you claim to know the one and only motivation for mayweather being involved and seem to think you know how it's going to ultimately be dispositive on the outcome.
i'm saying that the shit is more complex than you're giving it credit for and it's naive to think that mayweather doesn't give a fuck about anything except the payday. anybody else would agree that he cares deeply about his record and legacy, but you're a smart guy so you're sticking your guns: it's all about the $$$ because you saw mayweather flossing all his shit on a pre-fight hype HBO documentary. you have penetrating insight into his life and the sport, i agree.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:32 PM Author: Chocolate Territorial Crackhouse
Freddie Roach said Mayweather was doing this because they know Manny is afraid of needles. lol I mean what? For $40 million dollars you could take my blood with a Cobra.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:37 PM Author: Chocolate Territorial Crackhouse
He's trying to run for Senate in the Philippines so I imagine he's got some STD's or he's on hard drugs or it's just roids. He doesn't want something to come out.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:33 PM Author: mischievous pit shitlib
What is going on with this? It makes no sense. He's got tatoos, so he can't be that afraid of needles. Someone please explain to me how in the world pacquiao is leaving 40 mil on the table, with a tablespoon of blood being the sticking point.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:36 PM Author: razzmatazz range
most people are calling Mayweather out for even requesting this shit. In this day and age, and the money thats on the line, I'd want to make sure it's a fair fight.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:44 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
those are just people that fucking hate mayweather for his personality. they'd be retards not ask for the test, even if it was just rumors. odds are good they knew what would happen.
pac will clean up, make some excuse, then come back. too much money to be made here and too many people want to see the fight, but mayweather isn't going to throw down his record to some dude who's all juiced up. that shit could be a huge edge for the kind of fight they'll have.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:00 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
true. i love how some dudes are saying that 'roids don't make skill,' as if skill is the only issue between those two fighters, competing at this level. a marginal physical advantage can become a huge fucking deal in the 8th round when the gas is getting low, and if you're getting hit with chemically boosted punches for the previous 7 rounds, shit is going to be different.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:11 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
true. i don't even know what the advantage could be with all the hi tech shit now. one thing is for sure - they're not forking the blood over because he's fucking afraid of needles. they could put him to slip and draw a teaspoon and be done with it. losing some respect for roach over this, but you have to be in your guy's corner 100%. still, looks like shit. can't believe some fags think this actually makes mayweather look bad.
if manny were asking for blood and the rumors were about floyd, people would be applauding this shit.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:39 PM Author: Chocolate Territorial Crackhouse
Exactly. Why request the blood test if they knew it'd come back clean? They knew Freddie Roach would come back with any excuse he could think of as to why Manny doesn't have to do this. Now doubt it cast on Manny until he agrees to do this.
Date: December 24th, 2009 6:45 PM Author: razzmatazz range
To Be Fair,
Manny agreed to blood tests the first month of training, a month before the fight, and immediately after the fight, but they had to be prescheduled, not random.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:00 PM Author: Gaped hominid
you gotta understand that pacquiao is still one of those backwards islanders - religious and superstitious as hell. it's not too farfetched that he'd believe taking blood out would make him weaker.
Date: December 24th, 2009 7:22 PM Author: hairraiser useless tank gas station
he's not that backwards - he's been in the world long enough.
a lot of the new synthetic shit can easily be cleared in 24 hours, or they be doing some kind of cycling style blood doping or whatever, i really have no idea.
even so, superstition shouldn't be good enough to get a pass. nobody would be defending mayweather if pacquiao asked for the same shit.
Date: December 24th, 2009 8:24 PM Author: snowy sadistic set candlestick maker
Totally. Seemed after Sugar Shane and the first few rounds of the Margarito fight that he was on his way to being an all time great. Now he says he's gonna have two more fights and retire.
Date: December 24th, 2009 10:50 PM Author: Filthy theater stage
i'm not the one to ask. i just know that the image of steroids as portrayed by the mainstream media is lulzy. watch the documentary "bigger faster stronger" for a fair look at steroids.
Date: December 24th, 2009 10:41 PM Author: Tripping Doobsian Library
i wonder what kind of practice would allow me to learn a whole lot about steroids and maybe do experiments on rats or humans? It would be cool if I prescribed it someone and he went from 0 to hero. And you know steroids are obvoiusly prescribed in different situations. Like in mountaineering a certain steroid can relieve pressure if you have cerebral edema. But a famous mountaineer said that it's best to just be athletic enough not to get any edemas.