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David Foster Wallace on Elizabeth Wurtzel... 180

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtz...
Magenta depressive
  01/06/13
ty
olive drunken boltzmann lodge
  01/06/13
yw brother
Magenta depressive
  01/06/13
There were actually friendly IRL IIRC
Jet-lagged pearl area coffee pot
  01/06/13
This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.
fragrant disgusting locus
  11/07/15
...
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
Jesus. That is literally unreadable.
electric athletic conference messiness
  03/30/15
...
Provocative Parlor
  03/30/15
and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank ...
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"
Histrionic public bath
  03/30/15
(xo 2007
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages...
Maniacal adventurous locale
  03/30/15
Of course there are
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I wa...
Maniacal adventurous locale
  03/30/15
Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, a...
Maniacal adventurous locale
  03/30/15
is he a good writer
amethyst church cuck
  03/30/15
yes, and this is a 180 piece
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnot...
amethyst church cuck
  03/30/15
sorry for your loss
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
thank you
amethyst church cuck
  03/30/15
I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curio...
electric athletic conference messiness
  03/30/15
oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
...
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
Its fucking terrible.
electric athletic conference messiness
  03/30/15
well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average litera...
flickering idiotic school cafeteria
  03/30/15
?
Arousing lime forum
  07/12/15
Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT http://www.xox...
Provocative Parlor
  03/30/15
180
amethyst church cuck
  03/30/15
ty
Provocative Parlor
  03/30/15
no, ty friend
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
for what?
Provocative Parlor
  03/30/15
for setting up that 180 i guess
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i al...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the ...
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i ...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
2012, actually. and you seem dumb.
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looki...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring h...
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he w...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
except he was depressed for entirely different reasons
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn'...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
...
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder th...
Histrionic public bath
  03/30/15
Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL
deep bronze idea he suggested orchestra pit
  03/30/15
At least he apparently realized it and killed self
electric athletic conference messiness
  03/30/15
yet they call this a selfish act. why
Maize Tanning Salon
  03/30/15
franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthroug...
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
180
electric athletic conference messiness
  03/30/15
...
electric athletic conference messiness
  03/31/15
I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of ...
deep bronze idea he suggested orchestra pit
  03/30/15
i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro
Magenta depressive
  03/30/15
maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something
Honey-headed startled casino
  03/30/15
I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at al...
Rough-skinned friendly grandma
  03/30/15
guess we know who won that one
gold out-of-control institution community account
  03/31/15
I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work. ...
duck-like step-uncle's house
  07/12/15
i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too...
Aromatic saffron voyeur resort
  07/12/15
I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like...
duck-like step-uncle's house
  07/12/15
I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional n...
Aromatic saffron voyeur resort
  07/12/15
His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly los...
duck-like step-uncle's house
  07/12/15
ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's loo...
Aromatic saffron voyeur resort
  07/12/15
yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair. I'm just a...
duck-like step-uncle's house
  07/12/15
Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more t...
Aromatic saffron voyeur resort
  07/12/15
fiction has bigger ideas though Seriously, read "Lyn...
duck-like step-uncle's house
  07/12/15
I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhaust...
Aromatic saffron voyeur resort
  07/12/15
The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standard...
laughsome wrinkle theatre
  07/12/15
...
Aromatic saffron voyeur resort
  07/12/15
DFW's goat work: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/p...
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:20 PM
Author: Magenta depressive

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtzel.

After being rejected by the Prozac Nation author, Wallace wrote the 1998 story "The Depressed Person," basing the title character – the most unpleasant person on Earth – on her."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/six-things-you-didnt-know-about-david-foster-wallace-20120827

Here is the piece itself:

http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-1998-01-0059425.pdf

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380153)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:50 PM
Author: olive drunken boltzmann lodge

ty

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380409)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:58 PM
Author: Magenta depressive

yw brother

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380470)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:01 PM
Author: Jet-lagged pearl area coffee pot

There were actually friendly IRL IIRC

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380489)



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Date: November 7th, 2015 10:12 AM
Author: fragrant disgusting locus

This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#29129865)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 5:47 AM
Author: Magenta depressive



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580741)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:05 AM
Author: electric athletic conference messiness

Jesus. That is literally unreadable.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580754)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:13 AM
Author: Provocative Parlor



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580762)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:21 AM
Author: Magenta depressive

and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank bumps and you'd be responsible for half of them

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580773)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: Histrionic public bath

LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581914)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: Magenta depressive

(xo 2007

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581958)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: Maniacal adventurous locale

Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages before my eyes glazed over, and it just seemed to be a rant about an insecure girl.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581935)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: Magenta depressive

Of course there are

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581961)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Maniacal adventurous locale

...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to see them.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581972)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: Maniacal adventurous locale

Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, and every other line ends with a hyphenated word.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581876)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: amethyst church cuck

is he a good writer

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580758)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

yes, and this is a 180 piece

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580759)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: amethyst church cuck

last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnotes

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580768)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

sorry for your loss

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580769)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: amethyst church cuck

thank you

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580775)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: electric athletic conference messiness

I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curious feelings of affection that once were had by a person resembling something like me. They were ostensibly about a female, albeit a depressed one and it's unclear if her pater familias was even kind to her at all.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580770)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle head, anon. maybe go back to posting about arrow or blacks or whatever until the pain goes away.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580774)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:23 AM
Author: Magenta depressive



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580777)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: electric athletic conference messiness

Its fucking terrible.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580780)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580781)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:27 PM
Author: flickering idiotic school cafeteria

Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average literary mind!

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581896)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:01 AM
Author: Arousing lime forum

?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310543)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:12 AM
Author: Provocative Parlor

Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT

YLS made a mistake in admitting Elizabeth Wurtzel.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580761)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:16 AM
Author: amethyst church cuck

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580766)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: Provocative Parlor

ty

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580772)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: Magenta depressive

no, ty friend

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580778)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: Provocative Parlor

for what?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580779)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:26 AM
Author: Magenta depressive

for setting up that 180 i guess

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580783)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:28 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i always figured it was mostly about himself.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580784)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:32 AM
Author: Magenta depressive

nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the subject of the cartoons in the article look exactly like her. and that a major magazine matter of factly stated it was about her.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580789)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:34 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i wrote a story about a paedomorphic female who posted on a racist law board, it could still be "about" me. you know?

and lol at believing rolling stone; it's 2015.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580792)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:36 AM
Author: Magenta depressive

2012, actually.

and you seem dumb.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580795)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:41 AM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looking at things wrong. i suggest you improve that, friend, and come back to me when you have. i'm sure you'll gain more from talking to me then. shalom.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580809)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:44 AM
Author: Magenta depressive

i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring himself into random, banal shit. i don't think an article eviscerating Wurtzel is "about him", at least not to the extent you seem to suggest. she just happens to be where one of his darts landed.

actually, this piece may be more of a prophecy than anything. it could be argued that it is a preemptive response to the 21st century assent of the intolerable, self-absorbed shrew.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580818)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:34 PM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he was clinically depressed. that seems like a decent start to an argument that it was first-personal

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581947)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:41 PM
Author: Magenta depressive

except he was depressed for entirely different reasons

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582001)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:43 PM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn't see snatches of himself in the character, or at least wonder if he was similar deep down. in fact, NOT to do so would be incredibly un-self-aware and un-anxious by his standards.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582014)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:20 PM
Author: Magenta depressive



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581849)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: Histrionic public bath

Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder the talentless hack blew himself away.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581864)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:28 PM
Author: deep bronze idea he suggested orchestra pit

Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581909)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: electric athletic conference messiness

At least he apparently realized it and killed self

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581971)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:38 PM
Author: Maize Tanning Salon

yet they call this a selfish act. why

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581977)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthrough: Realized DFW's Suicide was an Act of Grace" at 5wpm

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581992)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:52 PM
Author: electric athletic conference messiness

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582087)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: electric athletic conference messiness



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587886)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: deep bronze idea he suggested orchestra pit

I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of hipster neckbeard toolbags.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581985)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: Magenta depressive

i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582027)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:46 PM
Author: Honey-headed startled casino

maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582046)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:47 PM
Author: Rough-skinned friendly grandma

I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at all but I think I'd get along well with him IRL and he seems like a good dude.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582048)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:24 PM
Author: gold out-of-control institution community account

guess we know who won that one

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587898)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 12:59 AM
Author: duck-like step-uncle's house

I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work.

My favorite of his works is "Lyndon," published in Girl with Curious Hair.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310522)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:00 AM
Author: Aromatic saffron voyeur resort

i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too controlled, the nonfiction is so much better in my opinion (which I know I share with "guy in your MFA class" twitter

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310537)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:04 AM
Author: duck-like step-uncle's house

I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like DFW's nonfiction better" camp. Everyone I meet says that and I always think they just can't appreciate good fiction with ambiguity.

I mean his nonfiction is ok I think. I like consider the lobster and tense present.

But Girl with Curious Hair? Come on now. It was fantastic.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310570)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:08 AM
Author: Aromatic saffron voyeur resort

I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional nuance of DFW's work is lost ofon me. For me even though his nonfiction is formulaic (it all rises from blips of cognitive dissonance--rage to self-righteousness--to a really bogus epiphany) it's appealing.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310609)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:10 AM
Author: duck-like step-uncle's house

His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly losing his temper at the golf ball that wouldn't go to its home.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310625)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:12 AM
Author: Aromatic saffron voyeur resort

ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's looser and has more feeling because of it. Did you read his EW piece on the Adult Video News awards or the Iowa State Fair? Those are pretty good

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310632)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:16 AM
Author: duck-like step-uncle's house

yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair.

I'm just a fiction reader at heart. And I like work that takes risks and is hit or miss. I respect writers who experiment and fail.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310655)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:18 AM
Author: Aromatic saffron voyeur resort

Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more than people, I guess

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310664)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:19 AM
Author: duck-like step-uncle's house

fiction has bigger ideas though

Seriously, read "Lyndon." It's my favorite of all of DFW's stories. My Appearance if good too.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310671)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:23 AM
Author: Aromatic saffron voyeur resort

I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhausted. Maybe I'm looking at it in too political a way, but I feel like all the interesting experimentation has been crowded out by SJW politics

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310709)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:26 AM
Author: laughsome wrinkle theatre

The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standards.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310730)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:27 AM
Author: Aromatic saffron voyeur resort



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310734)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:07 AM
Author: Low-t ivory corner stock car

DFW's goat work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310597)