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My boyfriend just got an offer -- how best to shop it?
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:27 PM Author: Carmine Theater My boyfriend was just told he will be getting an offer from one of the firms he is splitting his summer with (he was told through unofficial channels). The problem is, he hates both firms. He has about a 3.1 now. (We have a 3.2 median at Michigan.) Assuming he has at least one offer from a Vault firm b/w 50-75, and perhaps another one from a non-Vault 100 firm, how marketable will he be to better firms during 3L OCI? Any advice? Any thoughts on the sorts of firms he should be targeting? What's the best he can hope for? (He wants to be in California.) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246093) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:28 PM Author: Marvelous pink whorehouse coffee pot He's going to hate any firm he's at. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246104) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: razzle-dazzle party of the first part parlor In more or less specific terms, what does he "hate" about the firms? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246113) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:30 PM Author: Carmine Theater See below. He loves the work at one, but hates the people, and the opposite at the other firm. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246129) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:32 PM Author: Glittery electric furnace forum Good nickname. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246143) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:34 PM Author: Carmine Theater You have good taste. :) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246166) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:30 PM Author: Carmine Theater He hates the work at one, and the people at the other. He thinks he can find some middle ground. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246119) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: razzle-dazzle party of the first part parlor That makes sense....isn't most of the work at firms relatively the similar though? i.e. maybe he dislikes the practice of law? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246132) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:34 PM Author: Carmine Theater He worked on patent prosecution at the one he hates (boutique) and does securities lit and a little IP trade secret stuff at the other (he likes). (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246164) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:40 PM Author: shivering goal in life how bout a picture of your cans? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246223) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:53 PM Author: Carmine Theater If any of you knew anything about what I was posting, some sort of barter arrangement might have been possible. Unfortunately, you are all imbeciles. Back to your pornographic Everquest video games. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246364) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 7:32 PM Author: amethyst field Suck a dick you gold digging bitch. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3247330) |
Date: July 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: poppy station dysfunction He should use the non-V100 offer to get head from you. If this is successful, he should also pull out his V50-V75 offer to insert his penis in your anus.
HTH |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: gold very tactful knife hell credited (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246117) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:32 PM Author: Carmine Theater I'm not surprised that a virgin who has never earned a cent in his life would be confused about the effect of money on women. Maybe you should scale back from MTV - life isn't all bitches and ho's. HTH. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246148) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:14 PM Author: poppy station dysfunction very bad pwnage.
virgin?
im not dee
HTH |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: Fishy Dog Poop he wants to be in CA so he can upgrade his girlfriend via his newfound income.
hth |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: poppy station dysfunction credited as well (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246140) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:44 PM Author: vibrant pervert best answer so far. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246896) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:54 PM Author: Internet-worthy Spot Break up with that TTTSEF. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246367) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:54 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness his gpa is terrible. he should take what he can get. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246368) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:56 PM Author: Carmine Theater He is probably around the 35-40% mark in his class. The question is whether an existing offer can be leveraged to make-up for this fact though. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246397) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:57 PM Author: Internet-worthy Spot break up with him (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246406) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness nothing can offset being at the 35th percentile at Michigan. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246413) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:00 PM Author: Carmine Theater $2600 p/week this summer says otherwise. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246429) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:01 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness so people are trolling for the bottom half of the class now? this board never ceases to amaze me. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246442) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:04 PM Author: Carmine Theater My GPA is above a 3.5, and I admit his GPA is poor. But as far as I can tell, I will make as much as a first-year as he will. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246486) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:05 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness maybe. you really should dumb the bonehead's ass though. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246498) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Fishy Dog Poop of course it can't. but the fact that he did get an offer means his stock won't drop any lower this fall.
you're supposed to get an offer.
hth. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:02 PM Author: Carmine Theater It only took half an hour for someone to answer my question.
You say "of course it can't," but I have heard otherwise. Do you have any authority for your position? It would make sense that working at and getting an offer from a competitor of firm X would make you more attractive to firm X than before. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:04 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness not really. just because one firm made the mistake of hiring someone with shitty grades doesn't mean lightning will (or should) strike twice. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246481) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:05 PM Author: Carmine Theater Are you trying to say my boyfriend has bad grades? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246495) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:09 PM Author: self-centered temple you are a moron....40th percentile at a school like Michigan is not shitty.
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:11 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness yes it is, i go to michigan, hth. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246560) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:16 PM Author: self-centered temple yeah and? (your post didn't help) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246615) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:17 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness eh, you're clearly trolling for your poor grades, so whatever. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246631) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:22 PM Author: self-centered temple I am perfectly happy with my grades. I just think it is crazy for you to say 40th percentile is "terrible." Terrible would be something like bottom 10%. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246690) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:23 PM Author: Carmine Theater Yes, approximately half of the class does not have "terrible" grades. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246695) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:24 PM Author: massive cruise ship mexican Calling them terrible is just mean. Say perhaps mediocre. That's more apt and descriptive. I mean really, this guy should be commended. He's not showing off, not falling behind. I say, hire him. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246709) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:31 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness okay okay, mediocre. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246769) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:23 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness in my opinion that would be functionally retarded (especially at a school like michigan with a fairly large class and with a lot of dipshits in the class), but that's just my opinion. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246701) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:26 PM Author: Carmine Theater Happily for the bottom half of the class, your opinion does not impact upon their ability to get offers. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246732) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:27 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness true. but clearly something else does. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246744) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:29 PM Author: Carmine Theater Anyone above a 3.0 should be making market if they want it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246758) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:29 PM Author: self-centered temple so I imagine that you would consider the 50th percentile as really bad or poor? And 60th percentile as fair? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246761) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:30 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness that sounds about right, but there are no hard and fast rules. I would say 50th percentile is more poor than really bad. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246766) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:07 PM Author: Fishy Dog Poop I suppose it's possible for that to happen. On the other hand, it could easily backfire on you a la "he fit in with the douchebags at firm X, and spent the other half of his summer at firm Y? uh, he clearly isn't the type we want here at Z"
from what i've heard overall though, you basically can only hurt yourself by not getting an offer. you can also hurt yourself in later interviews if you can't rationally explain why you aren't taking said offer. it can't really be used to leverage |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:15 PM Author: poppy station dysfunction 35-40??? what??!?! "He has about a 3.1 now. (We have a 3.2 median at Michigan.)" |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:19 PM Author: Carmine Theater That was what I estimated his percentile to be. if that seems off, adjust to your pleasure. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246662) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:21 PM Author: poppy station dysfunction you said he's below the median, and he's a good 10-15 percent above that percentile-wise? is the curve really that shape? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246681) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:34 PM Author: self-centered temple you have it backwards. 40th percentile is below the median. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246797) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:35 PM Author: Carmine Theater Funny how everyone else on thread understood, but the virgin gets it wrong. Probably was flustered from having a conversation with a woman for the first time. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246812) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:42 PM Author: poppy station dysfunction True, I did.
I haven't ever read discussion on here from people in the bottom half. I thought you didn't differentiate one bottom feeder from another? |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 8:36 PM Author: iridescent cerebral sound barrier step-uncle's house no, 3l interviewing is not that easy, esp. if you're at a ttt like mich.
if he was working at a non-ttt firm, maybe he'll have some leverage, but he's in no position to be picky at this point, esp. w/ his grades. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:07 PM Author: self-centered temple you have a very unusual definition of "terrible." (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246514) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:08 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness bottom half is not terrible? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246529) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:10 PM Author: self-centered temple not at good schools (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246545) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:11 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness i know a few at umich in his position who are struggling (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246556) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:14 PM Author: self-centered temple yeah but probably not because of their GPA. Anyone who plays their cards halfway right and has above a 3.0 should be able to get biglaw at Mich. THose people who are "struggling" probably have no work experience, ttt personalities, and strategized poorly for OCI. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246588) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:16 PM Author: Fragrant canary address messiness maybe. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246610) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:08 PM Author: Geriatric laughsome rehab laser beams He'll have less information about some other firm he'd take a job with as a 3L. Unless he's really sure that he doesn't want either of his offers, he should really take one. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246530) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:20 PM Author: Carmine Theater The entire system is ridiculous.
You are probably right though. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:53 PM Author: abnormal plaza More info. Where were the firms he summered at? Which work did he like? He should probably just be looking at non- or low-Vault firms that do the type of work he likes, do as many interviews as he can, and see how he likes the people.
An offer doesn't hurt, but with below-median grades he's very unlikely to be able to move up in the rankings at 3L OCI ... 3L OCI is usually supposed to be a bit more competitive than 2L, and it doesn't sound like he's added much in the way of grades/law-review/etc. in the intervening year. So he should look to move down the rankings to a firm he likes more. He might be able to move parallel or up if he can really sell himself as someone who's interested in and good at the particular area of law that he likes, but his best bets are probably lower-ranked firms. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 7:29 PM Author: Carmine Theater In terms of future mobility, do you think he is better off taking the offer at the better firm, and then moving to a smaller firm in a couple of years? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3247308) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 8:30 PM Author: indigo school I would think so. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3247948) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 7:06 PM Author: bateful tantric church stain Is this the same boyfriend from this thread?
I just had amazing sex w/someone NOT my boyfriend!!!
LOL! Your TTT boyfriend got pwn3d by life! Enjoy AIDS!
HTH |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 12:25 AM Author: bronze boistinker den My boyfriend is a TOTAL ASS. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3250442) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:32 PM Author: bateful tantric church stain Jeebus, this shit is comedy gold!
Why does this whore even bother to post here still? |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 1:16 AM Author: motley antidepressant drug If the BF has any sense, he will dump her 6-12 months into his biglaw job when he realizes his money can get better whores than her.
WTF is she shopping his offers? Is she his fucking agent? |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:15 PM Author: excitant office multi-billionaire What about patent prosecution did your boyfriend hate? What's his UG degree in? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254214) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:24 PM Author: Frum business firm Subject: So you're saying you "had great sex with someone not" him again? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254317) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:48 PM Author: bateful tantric church stain That's just par for the course with this whore. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254607) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:29 PM Author: Awkward crackhouse stop being such a controlling bitch. let him shop his own offer (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254386) |