Date: July 16th, 2005 4:51 PM Author: peach ape mad-dog skullcap
PMBR estimates that your actual MBE score will be 36 points higher than your PMBR raw score. Any truth to this? Care to comment?
Also, they said that a 95 raw on the PMBR practice exam is the average score. How can they tell if they did not collect answer sheets from the participats of the 3-day seminar? Seems like it was only based on past statistics.
I have heard that there are eerie similarities between your PMBR scaled score and the actual MBE score.
I think that one who reviews the correct responses will perform substantially better on the actual bar, because a lot of the questions discussed on the simulated exam were at the margin - testing the exception to the exception. For one, I didn't know about the efficacy of a life tenant removing trade fixtures in the course of good husbandry. I do now, though.
Date: July 16th, 2005 5:46 PM Author: peach ape mad-dog skullcap
My PMBR raw score was higher than my Barbri score but only by a couple or so more points. If PMBR is indeed higher, then this should suggest that I am improving. In any case, my scores are higher than average but not enough for me to relax. :)
Date: July 16th, 2005 5:51 PM Author: sooty erotic temple
How many PMBR questions do you do in a row, say for the blue book, before stopping and checking your answers? The book recommends doing 50 but that seems kind of high. I usually do 25 in a row and average around 17-21 correct with crim being the low-end and con law the high-end.
Date: July 16th, 2005 6:37 PM Author: sooty erotic temple
I got a 144 on the simulated MBE. I'm taking the pmbr practice test tomorrow (hoping for a 150). I need at least a 150 raw mbe to carry over my state score since I don't know shit about FL law down here.
Date: July 16th, 2005 6:43 PM Author: sooty erotic temple
Yeah, I think it said 144 was 97th percentile. I'm starting to learn FL law tomorrow. I haven't read any essay questions or read the miniconviser. I need at least a 110 in FL so that my MBE can balance me out to the 136 avg I need for both.
Date: July 16th, 2005 6:49 PM Author: sooty erotic temple
Thanks, but also your 121 is fine. That'd be passing with the upwards adjustment of 15 pnts or so. I'm starting FL law tomorrow, I really am. What state are you taking?
Date: July 16th, 2005 6:54 PM Author: sooty erotic temple
Oh shit, that reminds me I need to study professional responsibility to add stuff for every essay and also to get the barbri mpre guide for the aug 12th test that I finally signed up for.
Date: July 16th, 2008 7:44 PM Author: rose theater juggernaut
A little of both honestly. Some of the answer choices are so slightly different its a coin toss...other questions are "What the Eff?"
Then there are some you can do in your sleep.
I believe the average is like 95 or something so I guess anything above that puts you into the pass zone...maybe not with flying colors but P for pass baby.
I also have not done many questions...With the BarBri Simulated MBE maybe I have done like 400.
Date: July 16th, 2008 10:35 PM Author: Histrionic house-broken set wrinkle
massive #s of multiple choices, actually spending almost as much time reading and understanding all the answers as doing them (even for the ones I got right)
also began to really read outlines, but that was secondary
Date: July 16th, 2008 7:06 PM Author: swashbuckling step-uncle's house
Does PMBR come up with new questions every year?
If so, why do they test particular subjects/topics and not others? Do they have any special insight into the exam -- or are they just guessing? (I realize they were busted for copying questions awhile back...)
Date: July 17th, 2008 12:56 AM Author: Bateful smoky skinny woman
I think they have some new questions each year, but the tests aren't entirely new. Our guy kept saying that so and so was a new question this year.
As for what they test on, I don't think they have any special information. They take the most heavily tested areas and have people create really nitpicky questions in those areas. They also seemed to test different aspects of the same or related rules.
Date: July 16th, 2008 7:06 PM Author: Silver cerebral university
People who went: I have the materials from the test last summer. Should I bother taking it? I got 110 on the Bar/Bri one without studying very much, and have done only a tiny bit more studying since then.
Date: July 16th, 2008 8:29 PM Author: Arrogant public bath
yeah NY and NJ... i'd love to know what i need on that MPT cuz i've done shit for it and i'm not really stoked about writing a close universe memo in 90 minutes – generally, I like to actually think and digest the subject matter before I write any sort of work product (which this part of the exam is supposedly testing)…
I’m pretty sure I’d get fired day 1 if I spent only 90 minutes writing my judge a bench memo.
Date: July 16th, 2008 9:06 PM Author: Arrogant public bath
ill be in a fly-over city in the 11th cir. at least by bnkr world standards, which is basically divided into SDNY and all else... nonetheless considering the current state of the economy I hope job prospects for bnkr clerks will pick up as the economy continues to thank… in fact, i know a SDNY bnkr clerk that got recently got an offer at davis polk… but I dunno how good of a predication that is
Date: July 16th, 2008 9:38 PM Author: Arrogant public bath
another grad from my school (teir 2) apparently had a bunch offers in the NYC - but he was in Delaware BK... so again im not sure if that much of an indication...
... im still hoping they'll get rid of the affilate rule so we see some diversity in venue
Date: July 16th, 2008 9:53 PM Author: rose theater juggernaut
Delaware is one of probably the other few states that have a serious Bankruptcy Practice at all. That is probably not a real indicator. But the way the Economy is going right now I would kinda suprised if nothing pretty decent rolled our way.
NYC (class all by itself...it is mecca for Bankruptcy)
Date: July 16th, 2008 11:22 PM Author: Arrogant public bath
I know I almost feel guilty cheering on the recession but the downturn in the US economy is primarily what led me to look into bankruptcy, that and an awesome BK professor that made the code look easy… regardless after my stint in the south clerking I intend to head back to the big apple where I anticipate bankruptcy practice will boom in the foreseeable future as housing crisis ripples through the economy. As liquidly dries, DIP financing will become the new source of financing for flailing corporate America…
this may seem like a gloomy outlook but only time will tell...
Date: July 17th, 2008 6:33 PM Author: Histrionic house-broken set wrinkle
It's not necessarily economic ambulance chasing. Massive Chapter 11s are becoming the thing of the past. The future of consensual out of court restructuring is extremely bright, given the general amount of leverage out on most companies now.
Date: July 16th, 2008 9:05 PM Author: Histrionic house-broken set wrinkle
congrats.
I'm going transactional but I have a theory that the future of M&A is going to be largely intertwined with BK as more and more acquisitions are debt-based
(besides, the guys who do the DIP financing stuff for the big-guys have balls of steal)
Date: July 16th, 2008 9:13 PM Author: rose theater juggernaut
I've heard that to be a good Bankruptcy attorney (obviously we are talking the big guys here) you have to have balls of steal.
You bring up an excellent point about M&A possibly being intertwined with BK. That would be interesting. (and probably the way of it for a little while)
Date: July 17th, 2008 5:34 PM Author: rose theater juggernaut
As for the review classes. If you don't have a basic understanding of the law and get decent scores on practice MBE's then your time would be better spent reviewing basic stuff. The class is more for the advanced questions.
Date: July 17th, 2008 5:47 PM Author: big-titted market
You had the first day of the class today right? Was it worth going to? I'm torn. Got a 108 on the test, not great, but not terrible either. Thing is, I think a lot of the questions I missed wasn't because I didn't know the law, it was just that I got tricked by some dick move they pulled, or it was just a really obscure topic. I kind of feel like doing state stuff might be more beneficial than learning about trade fixtures etc (which I can just look up in the conviser). What do you think?
Date: July 17th, 2008 6:34 PM Author: rose theater juggernaut
To each there own. A 108 is a fine score and you probably don't need too much more help. Im in your same boat about knowing the law but getting tripped up on something stupid. It does help going through the questions very carefully and really keep an eye out for how they can trip you.
As I said...to each their own. If you are weak in state law right now, then I would probably say study that. If you are comfortable with everything and are just looking to fine tune, then maybe the review course would be good for you. It is my understanding that you will get more points by picking the low hanging fruit on the tree than you will going way high up with some deep understanding.
Date: July 17th, 2008 10:20 AM Author: orchid indirect expression candlestick maker
I went up 41 points from PMBR raw to MBE scaled (119 to 160) so I think they do know what they are talking about. Everyone walked out of last years MBE freaking out about how hard it was (read the threads from last july 25th or so) and everyone I know did well (first time passage rate in NY was insanely high).
Date: July 18th, 2008 6:20 PM Author: fantasy-prone spectacular school Subject: help!
so got a 113 today (raw score) on pmbr, am I doing ok? I felt so demoralized since I had spent all week reviewing. I had gotten a 118 on barbri a couple of weeks ago. Should I keep studying MBE stuff or focus on NY hardcore (have done not so much for that)??
Date: July 18th, 2008 6:40 PM Author: swashbuckling step-uncle's house
I got a 110 today. I made an "educated guess" on almost every question. I found the evidence questions preposterously hard and a TON of the property questions were about mortgages and deeds.
I guess my score is OK. On the other hand, I could easily have scored 20+ points lower, if I had been less lucky with my guesses.
Date: July 18th, 2008 6:46 PM Author: rose theater juggernaut
I got a 105 as well. (I haven't studied much MBE since the BarBri simulated exam.)
I just finished up the review sessions. The review sessions are good for advanced review. It seems by your score that you are ready for some really nit picky tricks and trips the MBE can throw at you. I would advise anybody under a 90 to review more basic law.
Its hard to sit there for 2 days all day when you know you have a mountian of state law to tackle (and if you are really behind then maybe you should just study state law because with an MBE score over 100 you are going to do well enough on the MBE...at least I hope).
Its your call looking at what you need. There is no silver bullett here.
Date: July 18th, 2008 7:08 PM Author: Aquamarine Chapel
I got a 117 today. Earlier I got a score of 138 for Bar Bri. I hadn't been doing any PMBR questions and I guess there you go...
I plan on going to the review sessions. I think that at this point, that is going to be the last MBE stuff I do *besides two mid week 100Q's in the PMBR blue book* and I think its worth my time - if only so that in test day I can remember 3-4 helpful things, that may be all I need.
Also, I figure I am going to be doing an absurd amount of state - law cramming, so it might be easier to switch it up with a live lecture.
In any case, the average today was a 95. IF you get in the top 50% on the bar exam you are more than fine. It said to add something like 36 points, and I believe it. So it sounds like everyone on this board at least is doing fine. I overheard a few girls talk about how they were "in the game" with mid-90's bar bri exam a few weeks back - that is our competition.
I got a 78 (raw) on the BarBri MBE. I hadn't opened a book the entire summer before that test. I've studied a decent amount the last 10 days but haven't done any questions. I got a 97 (raw), 133 (scaled) on the PMBR today. I will be ok right?
so, i took the blue pmbr simulated mbe today and i got 132/200 and that scaled to be a 157 (with the recommend 25 pt).. does anyone know if that is accurate reflection of the mbe at all?
i got a 109 on both the bar/bri and pmbr 3-day simulated. and a 68/100 on the bar bri half/day.
should i bother taking the simulated exam in the mpq2? if my score drops again, i'm afraid i'll just freak myself out.
and i've heard mixed things..
is it true that our raw pmbr score + 36 points may reflect our actual mbe score?