Date: September 12th, 2014 9:28 PM Author: dead nibblets stead
It's still very much underground, but it's slowly building like Yellowstone's caldera. The more shitlibbery pushes, the more neoreaction will grow. I can't say which side will be winning in 10 or 20 years, but the two sides are heading for a major clash.
Date: September 12th, 2014 9:50 PM Author: dead nibblets stead
Yellowstone eruptions aren't that far apart on a geologic timescale. Think of it in comparison to the age of the earth vs. neoreaction compared to the time humans have been around.
Date: September 12th, 2014 9:57 PM Author: Supple Coffee Pot Faggotry
Neoreaction has no chance of achieving anything, but it is true that people are becoming more and more radicalized. The problem with SJWs and their fellow travelers is that they imply anyone who disagrees with them or criticizes their behavior is a bigot who is beyond the pale. When you deny people the opportunity to argue with you in a fair and nice way you will send them into the arms of radicals.
Date: September 12th, 2014 9:59 PM Author: Insecure Razzmatazz Regret
I don't think the one has much to do with the other. everyone hates SJWs, whereas neoreactionaries are just some weird internet subculture. there are some smart neoreactionaries, but there are some smart furries too.
Date: September 12th, 2014 9:59 PM Author: vigorous ocher casino
the important thing the neoreaction dudes will do is organize blogs and stuff in away that people who are clueless or on the fence can easily find stuff to convince them that world has gone mad.
Date: September 12th, 2014 10:05 PM Author: dead nibblets stead
Creating an intellectual framework is important, and it usually takes a considerable amount of time from the origin of ideas to their mass adoption. Marx wrote in the 1840s to 1880s, but communist revolutions didn't happen until much later.
Date: September 12th, 2014 10:19 PM Author: vigorous ocher casino
this is where you are wrong. they are not "creating an intellectual framework" akin to marxism. you don't even need one. there is not going to be something like das kapital that sets out the frame work of the new jacobites. the idea is absurd. what they need is praxis - how are they going to infiltrate institutions, and get what they want.
Date: September 12th, 2014 10:38 PM Author: dead nibblets stead
No, I really do believe that the intellectual framework is important. Shitlibbery has become ascendant because almost everyone accepts certain ideas that led to it, and American conservatism has not had the intellectual foundation to counteract that in the face of technological change and declining religiosity. In 2001, there was almost no intelligent anti-shitlib reaction out there (unsurprising, perhaps, since shitlibbery had not gained such ascendancy yet)--remember that the Republican party was/is almost completely controlled by self-interested corporatist and religious Christian elements. Once shitlibbery gained power, it was necessary to create a new intellectual framework for opposition.
Date: September 12th, 2014 10:42 PM Author: vigorous ocher casino
sitting around for decades while poli sci shitheads write worthless screeds is not going to accomplish anything. we all know the anglo-saxon ideals that founded this country. the issue is winning the battles and ending "white guilt."
Date: September 12th, 2014 10:46 PM Author: dead nibblets stead
I agree with at least some of this, but the ideas are important for long-term conversions and for the application of power. Power without the direction of ideas is random brutality. You might say the ideas were already there, and maybe you're right at a basic level, but I think it takes some time to flesh things out.
Date: September 13th, 2014 2:34 AM Author: dead nibblets stead
Gaining ground here isn't just about exercising power (currently held by shitlibs) though--it's also about winning people over. I agree that offense needs to be played, but shitlibbery runs so deep and the anti-shitlib side has largely been castrated so far. Just look at how people responded to this, for example: http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/white-supremacists-plant-easter-eggs
I'm not even sure how neoreactionaries can hope to win much at the moment given how outnumbered we are. Of course, opposing shitlibbery even when losses are assured can help in the long-run if it's done right. I think things will change in our favor, but it will take some time.
one of the big problems in dealing with the shitlib menace is argument itself
you'll see someone like twist break something down and say something like "...so it therefore makes no sense to simultaneously hold theses x and y because that would be [illogical/not just/whatever] and this is where [feminists went wrong/what feminists need to realize/whatever]"
thats the framework that needs to go.
youve already lost if you engage them in civilized debate because youve already assumed they have any interest in the truth or intellectual honesty or fairness or justice or equality
open ur eyes: they arent making poor arguments that need to be corrected, they are committing acts of violence.
its violence. not argument.
The signified of all their bullshit rhetoric is always going to be
"fuck you, were going to assault you and take what we want by force. and what we want is not an end to hierarchy or intolerance or injustice, what we want is not the end of oppression, no.
what we want is to be the oopressor in a new hierarchy--one with our boots on your neck. we like that the strong take what they will while the weak suffer as they must. and were going to make you suffer."
if somebody is punching you in the face its a pretty shitty idea to start from the premise that theyre doing what they honestly think is best for you and would appreciate your assistance in pointing out where theyre going wrong.
one loses his humanity by responding to violence with pusillanimous equanimity and cowardly retreat. violations of force require forceful resistance.
people need to wake up and stop participating in their own humiliation. you lose the second you concede their right to a charitable, honest response to their offensively dishonest, evil horseshit that is being used as a weapon against you.
if charity suggests a rebuttable presumption well then case fucking closed ok? the presumption has been rebutted by now. you are not obligated to humiliate yourself by taking them seriously. like robert trivers said about alan dershowitz: nazis need to be confronted directly. no handwringing about you wish those meanies would start being nicer/more honest/whatever. the time for that is over and it becomes immoral to give the benefit of the doubt to violent assholes who long ago crushed to dust any doubt about their evilness. no doubt, no benefit. simple.
Date: September 13th, 2014 1:53 AM Author: dead nibblets stead
"what we want is to be the oopressor in a new hierarchy--one with our boots on your neck."
I think a lot of libs really believe that they're not doing this, and when this happens it's usually an unintended result. What libs say they want sounds good enough, and it takes a close examination of consequences to realize that what they say is all bullshit. In particular, white libs have been sucked in by facile moral arguments and taken advantage of by people actually promoting their own group interests at the expense of whites.
Retreating or not responding to this absolutely does embolden the anti-whites--appeasement doesn't work.
Date: September 13th, 2014 2:03 AM Author: vigorous ocher casino
i agree 100%. good post.
i have a lot to say on this but the main thing is that a fusion of two things. the whole deconstruction stuff is anti-reason and rejects knowledge, and the western marxist stuff is an ends justifies the means thing. so yes, they aren't arguing in good faith - ever - and you are right.
Date: September 13th, 2014 2:11 AM Author: Irradiated factory reset button mood
it's about standing up to a bully not making better arguments
that's great if someone does appreciate you breaking down their bullshit or you really are inspired to create new, better ideas.
that's all good. but that's not the front line. shots have been fired. The primary question is if you're going to suffer the slings and arrows and beg for mercy or if you're going to defend your principles and brethren. and that's a question of character not intellect.
to paraphrase apocryphal-Trotsky you may not be interested in the fight but the fight is interested in you.
Date: September 12th, 2014 10:08 PM Author: dead nibblets stead
American conservatism became intellectually bankrupt by the 00s, and neoreaction is the anti-progressive alternative being built from the ground up from the ground up.