Date: December 21st, 2014 9:04 AM Author: yellow excitant base
conturds wont cop to their belief that whiteness is inherently better, and the fact that they won't be capable of respecting or admiring a black James Bond.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:09 AM Author: Idiotic National Security Agency
To be fair, the idea of a black guy playing a secret agent is, idunno, kinda weird. Bond was supposed to be extremely plain looking so as to blend in everywhere- Asia, Europe, Africa, anywhere.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:30 AM Author: Idiotic National Security Agency
I never said the Connery films were realistic.
I said that the recent Craig films put an emphasis on realism the same way the Nolan Batman films did.
The latest film made a habit of mocking the campier aspects of the series- the joke about exploding pens, equipping bond with only a gun and a 50's era radio, having the villain be a hacker, the main showdown being in a Scottish castle, etc.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:33 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
ur done here ITT lol. ur argument relies on the following
- bond films are realistic
- actors who play bond are plain-looking
both of those are so fucking clearly false that it's impossible for anyone else to even imagine what sort of shit is going through your head right now. are your synapses just firing cum at each other instead of electrical charges? get ur fucking shinebox brother. cya.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:10 AM Author: topaz indian lodge ceo
TBF not sure why Idris has to play "James Bond" - the idea of a black MI6 agent isn't farfetched, just have him be some other character within the Bond universe
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:18 AM Author: cerebral crawly university elastic band
I like Idris Elba, and think he would make a great bond. I don't even see how him being black plays a role, since Bond is supposed to be an orphan, so it's not like we know he was born to white parents .
But....
Bond is important in that he is one of the tiny number of characters who embodies western imperialism and is still a good guy. Bond is important because he's one of the few examples of white, western men keeping the world safe and slaying international pussy in the name of noblesse oblige.
Making bond black does not hurt bond. But it does signal the death of a great character archetype, and for that reason I think people have some credible reservations.
I don't think anyone would be upset if Idris played Jason Borne, for example.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:45 AM Author: Henna native volcanic crater
If you change enough physical attributes of a character it can be as character-erasing as removing an iconic prop. Imagine he was not only changed from white to black, but also had his fashion sense dramatically changed, his British accent removed in favor of a French one. Enough of these "little" changes and soon enough you'd find a "James Bond" as meaningless as Zeus sans lightning imagery.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:51 AM Author: yellow excitant base
"All I'm saying is that making Bond black is sorta like making a shittier version of the character that we know and love. Like, making the character worse in a measurable way, that's what happens when you make them black. It's not some kind of racist thing."
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:57 AM Author: Henna native volcanic crater
OK you fucking shithead I'm not going to play nice with somebody who's putting words in my mouth so fuck it. You have an insane inferiority complex that colors your thinking so much you can't even read a basic comparison without seeing a superiority/inferiority angle in it. It's true I was talking about the subtraction of a prop but it's your sensitive ass that made that the focal point of the analogy rather than the relevant physical difference point which was OBVIOUSLY WHAT WAS INTENDED. Seriously think about what kind of shit you spend your time reading that causes you to selectively interpret shit in the worst sense possible. Get psychological treatment or maybe take some time off the internet. You need it.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:02 AM Author: Henna native volcanic crater
Making Morpheus white would be changing the character. The character is just known for looking a certain way. People would definitely complain about a white Morpheus.
As for the lightning bolt, how is Zeus objectively shittier without it? Maybe a god that doesn't have a lightning bolt is better because he's just as powerful without needing to rely on a prop.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:03 AM Author: yellow excitant base
"People would definitely complain about a white Morpheus."
I wonder how many of them would be the same people who are now complaining about black Bond.
"As for the lightning bolt, how is Zeus objectively shittier without it? Maybe a god that doesn't have a lightning bolt is better because he's just as powerful without needing to rely on a prop."
LOL at denying the existence of lightning privilege
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:03 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
no it fucking wouldn't. morpheus can be white neo can be asian who gives a FUCK dude. jesus christ you shitcons deserve the shitlibs we make fun of on here, you know that? you fucking deserve them for your inconsistency and your inability to talk sense. shut the fuck up brother, i mean that quite sincerely.
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:33 AM Author: cerebral crawly university elastic band
Wtf? Cultural appropriation has been used to shame Stevie Ray Vaughn for playing the blues. How the fuck is James Bond not as white/British as blues is black?
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:35 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
if u don't see the difference ur done here. mind u i don't actually mind cultural appropriation in any instance but if you can't see the difference between CHOOSING AND PLAYING A GENRE and BEING CAST IN A MOVIE - it's even a fucking GRAMMATICAL difference between active and passive voice brother. ur in a box, ur not seeing the whole board here, ur brain is addled, ur done. gl next time sorry
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:38 AM Author: cerebral crawly university elastic band
This is some pumo-ass shit right here.
Casting James Bond as black is not black culture appropriating James Bond. It's multiculti/globalist/shitlib culture appropriating white/British culture.
The only reason that you would think that this is somehow less important than white culture appropriating black culture is if you are racist against white people, and don't see the destruction of ethnic white nations as a problem.
Date: December 24th, 2014 7:33 PM Author: Black wagecucks
I usually agree with you Fatdood but gotta disagree. Cultural appropriation would be if a group of blacks had decided to make a movie casting a black guy in some shoddy rip-off of Bond. But when a bunch of white producers and white directors and white casting agents decide they want to spice up their franchise by hiring a black dude, that's white people making the actions -- not black people appropriating.
But when a bunch of "white" producers and "white" directors and "white" casting agents decide they want to spice up their franchise by hiring a black dude, that's "white" people making the actions
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:54 AM Author: passionate puce parlor dog poop
It does seem contrived in the instance of James Bond. And it seems like Hollywood is finally emphasizing diversity (e.g., Star Wars), I can understand why some whites will react with uncertainty why there is so much emphasis and attention paid to this and where all of this is going.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:07 AM Author: passionate puce parlor dog poop
"I can understand why some people would be uncertain why there is so much emphasis and attention paid to this and why it seems there is more and more focus on racial identity rather than less, and whether that might be a destructive trend."
Date: December 21st, 2014 9:57 AM Author: Provocative theatre pistol
why does casting idris elba have to be "emphasizing diversity" rather than "let's consider this brit actor who has played a right bad ass in recent movies. btw he's a nigger"
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:01 AM Author: cerebral crawly university elastic band
I mean, to be fair, this comes on the heels of Captain America becoming black. How many white national icons have to be reimagined as black before white doods can start justifiably feeling a bit besieged?
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:02 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
this is the same identity politics you deride in the other side. you can either be part of the problem (making a big deal about this) or part of the solution (not giving a shit). just look back through the history of shitlibs getting up in arms about white dudes playing hispanic characters and so on and you'll see what i mean.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:07 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
i don't care if you generally agree with me. i care about if you agree with me when it would be PROBLEMATIC for your shitty little love connection with white nationalists like fucklaw. like in this case.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:10 AM Author: cerebral crawly university elastic band
I don't have a love connection with fucklaw. My anti-shitlib poasting almost always concerns feminism. I stand with my black brothers 90% of the time.
In this particular case, I am not against Idris Elba as James Bond, but I do think that it's is problematic that the international media is poised to incrementally erase what little remains of white culture. And this isn't ja black/white issue. This is a shitlib/normal person issue.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:04 AM Author: passionate puce parlor dog poop
I support the effort, but let's be honest that Hollywood, corporate America, everyone is emphasizing diversity these days. It's a good thing, but it's going to make people uncomfortable, and some things (i.e., an iconic British secret agent) are going to really hit close to home for some people. I don't even think it has anything to do with racism. Any culture that saw themselves being replaced in movies, TV, politics, would have discomfort with it. You'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not recognize that.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:06 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
jesus christ. you are literally walking STRAIGHT into shitlib arguments. "blacks, hispanics, etc. have seen themselves 'replaced' in popular culture for decades, even centuries, and you didn't care then." and you fucking didn't. do you have any fucking self-awareness at all brother. how can you even make these arguments with a straight face KNOWING what the response is going to be
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:15 AM Author: passionate puce parlor dog poop
Even if what you say is true (it's not as broadly applicable as you seem think it is), what does it have to do with my explanation for why white people might be uncomfortable? So you're saying that the liberals will say "Screw you, now it's your turn." Fine. Agreed. So what?
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:22 AM Author: azure nighttime headpube
so shitlib blacks are dumb for being "uncomfortable" at 1920s theme parties and shitcon whites are dumb for being "uncomfortable" with a black james bond. everyone should stop being dumb.
Darth Vader needs to be played by that drag queen faggot from Orange is the New Black, and written by Jenji Kohan, for that matter, as a snarky streetwise Sith overlord. That will make things right, culturally.
Date: December 21st, 2014 10:18 AM Author: Slate Center
Making Bond black is totally NOT cultural appropriation. It's not okay for whites to say "futbol", but a post-war British cultural icon should be open-source
Date: December 21st, 2014 12:28 PM Author: thriller high-end gas station
John Lithgow would make a convincing British secret agent, maybe that faggot who plays Loki (who my wife is in love with) or the Sherlock tranny fucker, but Bond is such an Icon, making him black is such a loud statement saying nothing at all, just look at me, look at me
And anyway, everyone thought making the president black in every movie would be good for America and diversity but it got us Obama and his deranged racist wife
Didn't read the thread. A black James Bond makes about as much sense as a white Shaft. I'm not surprised that Sony is going to ruin the series, and I'm not angry. I'm surprised that James Bond is not going to be a pre-op trans rabbitkin.
The James Bond of the past is an English, scotch-drinking, smooth-talking, brilliant, educated, tough-minded, cool-headed secret agent who can pass through the corridors of power and the elite criminal underground undetected and unstirred.
Maybe a few such white men exist. That's what makes James Bond such a special character. We can see him being the greater perfection of every adolescent fantasy that white boys have about being awesome.
No such black man exists, at all. Not only does he not exist, he's literally unthinkable. I mean you can Carlton Banks the fuck out of this, but he will never have the kind of access, the ease of travel between and amongst different cultures a white James Bond has.
It's fine, whatever. Make the movie, it'll probably be fine. Elba, as about the biggest ho-ho in the world, will make the best possible black Bond.
But it is no longer James Bond. It's James Brown, the try-hard success story from the ghetto who tries to use his native smarts from the mean streets of Baltimore that he charmed his Harvard classmates with with a Chinese mafia boss at the Hotel de Paris, and when it inevitably fails he pulls a "sheeit" and starts pistol-whippin' niggas. That's the new Bond. Entirely up to the public whether or not they want that, but that's the new Bond. Writing him white would be preposterous.
Date: December 21st, 2014 3:37 PM Author: azure nighttime headpube
yeah now you faggots can't even agree if he was english or scottish but whichever it is you know it's REALLY IMPORTANT!!!! typical XO conservative, ignorant and inconsistent yet somehow simultaneously dogmatic
Date: December 21st, 2014 2:01 PM Author: trip amber station
Despite him being a suave as fuck James Bond, I am pre-loling at his beyonceesque gf because no fucking way does super lib hollywood even want to go near a black man/white woman coupling. Idris will only fuck blacks in this movie. OFS. (ps the only color that matter is pink)
"That view prompted a sharp response from the daughter of Harry Saltzman, producer of the films. 'That would be a fair argument if there were no black Scots,' she recently told Wilson Media. 'They do exist and have become an important, if not intractable, part of Scottish history.'"