Date: November 5th, 2005 5:09 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Yes. Our lack of success with women leads to increasingly severe depression that reaches a crescendo in our mid-20s, leading to lost productivity, inefficiency, and eventually total failure. That, or we use travel and/or graduate education to meet Eastern European or Asian women who actually like smart men. Obviously, I'm fond of the latter outcome.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:13 PM Author: Thriller background story area
For most women, their attraction to men is directly proportional to how well he would hold up in a fight. I'm a prime example of this. From a pure aesthetic perspective, I'm 7.5-8.0. However, I'm 160# and have a $600, fragile piece of equipment on my face (glasses). Women look at me and presume (rightly so) that I haven't been in a fight for almost a decade. However, if I had a 3.5 face, 75 lb. of excess bulk (only 20 of which would need to be muscle) and no glasses, I'd have no problem pwning women.
The reason women are this way is that they still harbor this fantasy of having the boyfriend who can protect them in a redneck bar. (What is she doing there in the first place?) Women haven't figured out that, among my social class, fights don't happen after age 13.
Dude, you're fucking delusional. Forgetting the angle and the sunlight, you've got jug ears and a lumpy, asymmetrical nose.
One: I'm at least as good looking as you if not better and I'm an admitted 6.
Two: You need to stop coming up with these bullshit "theories" that rationalize why women don't find you attractive. Eventually you're going to have to accept the fact that you consistently have poor social interactions with others and no one thinks you're an "8," so maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't with every single other person you've ever met and might actually be with your personality and looks.
And don't give me some "you have been TROLLED, I was just kidding bullshit." Your delusional personality has been pretty consistent (if reports are to be believed) for pretty much your entire life, on and off the board.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:41 PM Author: Thriller background story area
I've been destroyed by no one, you filthy whore. Your history is so checkered that you could be raped and the rapist would get a misdemeanor shoplifting charge. So eat shit, suck a cock, fuck a pig, STFU and GOI.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:43 PM Author: Transparent garrison marketing idea
I love getting nerds all riled up. I know you have never been in a fight, you don't work out, so you will have to take out all this rage on your fellow MagicQuest players. Or maybe you will FUCK UP that algorithm for advanced programming.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:45 PM Author: Thriller background story area
I do work out, and I'm in good shape. You're right that I don't fight, haven't since 12, and probably wouldn't know how; that doesn't happen among my social class. Now that you've exposed yourself as a proud member of the loser-fucker stratum, shut the fuck up and go lick some rich man's ass-crack.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:34 PM Author: Thriller background story area
My nose looks off because of the shadow, as I've explained a million times. If your IQ were in the triple digits, you'd have enough of a grasp of spatial relations to understand this, you stupid fuckup.
Also, you're low-class, backward trash and it's beneath me to talk to you. Go back to the bottom of society where you belong; you're not fit to challenge me. You can't even string sentences together in a way that sounds halfway intelligent.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:43 PM Author: Angry Mad-dog Skullcap
pensive, I don't dislike you and I wasn't trying to start a fight. I'm seriously trying to help you. I wasn't saying your looks are average to bash you. You have to be realistic, and thinking that you're an "8" isn't going to help you out, women, or at least intelligent ones, are going to pick up on this and correctly see it as yet another example of your partially unjustified arrogance, which is really, really unattractive. Like I said, man, I'm a 6, I admit it, and humility has never been anything but an aid.
Also, I looked at your nose close up and I was basing the "asymmetrical" comment on the way your glasses lie against your nose, which has nothing to do with shadow/lack thereof.
And that final paragraph was uncalled for. Simmer down.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:49 PM Author: Thriller background story area
It's actually my glasses, not my nose, that were off. The nosepiece was bent, and I've fixed that.
I'm arrogant mostly because there are a lot of loser-fuckers in the world, and if I don't keep a constant fighting posture, they'll sense weakness and try to take me down.
The 10-point scale is meaningless. I'm about 75-80th percentile among my age group, but if you're going to model it as a scale with mean 5, std-dev 2, then I'm only a 6.5. With a flat distribution, I'm 7.5-8.0. With a Pareto distribution... you get the idea. So it's pretty meaningless.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:07 PM Author: cruel-hearted grizzly spot
Haha, no. My friends and I like to help out nerdy white boys! There's always the nerdy white boy at a party, who is sort of awkward but really nice and sincere in wanting to meet girls. And so all my friends and I collectively dance with him, and so more random girls join in to dance with him. And the guy becomes an instant pimp. Do you know how many nerdy white boys I have helped get laid?!? I am a very nice girl.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:12 PM Author: cruel-hearted grizzly spot
Not if they roll with my crew. I can assure them 99% success. Besides at least many nerdy white boys are not afraid of dancing really crazy, so more girls dance with them. Whereas, a lot of other boys just stand at watch and drink.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:22 PM Author: cruel-hearted grizzly spot
You don't have to be invited. A lot of the times, we just go to parties held by a friend of a friend and no one really knows each other that well anyway. What do you mean by more than sort of awkward? Some nerdy white guys are actually pretty funny when they get really drunk and dance really crazy, lol, and they actually have success with some girls. I don't think anyone would really know or care if you were a law student or not, as a lot of times there are even like a couple of 30 years olds at some parties, and no one really knows who are they are or even cares.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:36 PM Author: cruel-hearted grizzly spot
I am not sure, I came home at like 4:30 last night really drunk and have not done any studying or work yet. And I have a ton of work to do. I try to restrain myself from going out when I have a lot of work, but i usually give in. :( But I am just a thirsty gal who likes to dance!
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:21 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Where do you find them?
I can't find the artsy women, and I know there are plenty of them in Madison. I just don't have the big-city social skills to meet the right people. Do you have tips?
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:28 PM Author: crawly talented base
Look, this is not difficult. Go to shows, readings, and art house movies. Chat with some girls, be nice, get their numbers or myspace name or whatever. Call/IM them during the week, again be nice, Ask them out to a show/reading/movie on the weekend. After the event, take them home to smoke weed and make out.
Edit: Also, in your particular case, tone down the "I invented a card game" stuff, and, for the love of god, don't bring up your crazy theories on class and interpersonal relationships.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:37 PM Author: Thriller background story area
I can see that working. One of the difficulties is in seperating the women who really are quirky, interesting, and smart from the trashy women who just act like they are.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:43 PM Author: crawly talented base
Yeah, see, you wan't to cool that shit out. When you start calling people trash or loser fuckers or whatever just because someone doesn't like you or doesnt agree with you you come off as super insecure. Insecurity isn't attractive to anyone.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:53 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Lots of people disagree with me and that doesn't make them loser-fuckers. If Christopher Hitchens and I were in a room together, we'd probably not agree on much. Yet he's a brilliant writer and an interesting man, not a loser-fucker.
The telltale sign of the loser-fucker is adverse action motivated by envy of intelligence or social position. I've been on the receiving end of a lot of loser-fuckery, and can smell it from a mile away.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:01 PM Author: crawly talented base
See, the thing is, people aren't envious of your intelligence or social position, they just don't value it as highly as you do. This doesn't make them bad people. Some folks are just not going to be impressed by what you bring to the table. A big part of being a secure, confident adult is realizing this and being ok with it. When you freak out every time someone doesn't like you it makes you seem like a spoiled kid crying for attention. Nobody likes that.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:06 PM Author: Thriller background story area
First of all, I'm sure there are plenty of people who dislike me but never bother me or try to cause problems with me. I generally don't start shit with people I dislike, unless they're truly wretched human beings (like Dogshit).
Secondly, I'm cool with people not being impressed by me; most people probably aren't. Anyway, people who once did envy 150+ IQ intelligence probably don't after hearing about the shit I've dealt with in life. I can handle a person valuing intelligence less than I might, but what I can't deal with are the losers who come out and attack me because of it.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:17 PM Author: crawly talented base
Here's the thing, I know tons of super smart people. I went to grad scool for physics at a top university. I have lots of friends getting phd's at places like MIT and Harvard. Not a single one of them feels llke, post highschool, their intelligence has held them back socially. Its pretty clear to even the casual observer that people attack you because you come off ass a pompous close minded douchebag. It has exactly zero to do with IQ. If you just chilled out on all the weird IQ/class?blueblood persecution complex shit you would solve all of your problems.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:20 PM Author: Thriller background story area
You make a good point, but you're wrong to say that "it has exactly zero to do with IQ". While I could work on being less arrogant, pompous, and agressive, the fact is that there has to be something to start the cycle in the first place... and that's usually an envious loser with nothing better to do.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:28 PM Author: Thriller background story area
This may hold as an abstract statement, but it doesn't apply here.
Look: we live in one of the most anti-intellectual societies in human history. Is it unreasonable that a person like myself would deal with a lot of bullshit?
I was trying to be subtle, but if your personality in real life is even a fraction as annoying as your board personality, the problem is with your lack of social skill not people who are out to get you.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:32 PM Author: crawly talented base
You might be good at math, but you obviously suck at history. Plus you live in Madison Wisconsin one of the most liberal free thinking pro education places on the planet.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:36 PM Author: Thriller background story area
I've been in Madison for 4 months. You're right that I've dealt with very little bullshit in my time here, but I'm still reeling from 22 years of cumulative bullshit.
I'm an abstract misanthrope. I hate humans, and to some degree am ashamed of being one, but I like individual people, if that makes sense, only because I take an open mind to each new person I meet.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:52 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Carleton was weird. There were a lot of great, quality people there, but the social environment was not ideal.
There are loser-fuckers everywhere, even at Ivies. I happened to inflame a few of them in my freshman year (when my social skills honestly were terrible) and they spread ridiculous rumors about me. Most people didn't actually believe them, because they were so outlandish, but they were enough to put women at a distance... until I was friends with her, at which point the friendzone set in.
It was a complicated and less than ideal situation, but you're right that if freshman year had not happened, I probably could've found a great girlfriend.
Date: November 5th, 2005 7:10 PM Author: Thriller background story area
It's pretty fucked up. I hate the fact that five people, not one of whom could hold up to me, individually, in anything, managed to ruin my social life for four years. They were sick, making threatening phone calls and following me around constantly.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:24 PM Author: crawly talented base
You still don't get it. If you stoped being a douche, people would stop hassling you. I know tons of smart non-douches, and they never get hassled. I know douches at all intelligence levels, and they all get hassled. Try going a month without using the term IQ.
Date: November 7th, 2005 2:57 AM Author: sooty police squad tanning salon
he's been told this many, many times (and not just "you need help," but with references to this specific disorder).
it's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder, for those just joining us.
it really is the perfect description of mike church. i'm counting 9/9 on that list of characteristics, with at least 8 of them incredibly strong (only 5 are necessary for a diagnosis).
he's been pointed to this description (or similar desciptions) of NPD many times over the past several years.
Date: November 7th, 2005 2:40 AM Author: sooty police squad tanning salon
"While I could work on being less arrogant, pompous, and agressive [sic], the fact is that there has to be something to start the cycle in the first place..."
right, and that's... a person who is arrogant, pompous, and aggressive.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:06 PM Author: Angry Mad-dog Skullcap
Give some examples, seriously.
Do you really think they're reacting negatively to your intelligence? Or could they be put off by the attitude of superiority/arrogance you no doubt have?
I mean, Feynman probably had a higher IQ than you, but "little" people liked him and helped him and he liked them.
A single example from personal experience: there's this dude named Tiberio I do college bowl with. Maybe 12 people are in the club and he's one of the top 4-5 because he gets a lot of the science questions. Tiberio is an arrogant, competitive asshole, however. Therefore when he misses a science question everyone is kind of happy about it and makes fun of him. Now I happen to get a lot of the literature/history questions. But when I miss something in those fields people don't laugh at me, because I'm not cocky about the ones I get right. I think the lesson here is that it isn't usually envy of intelligence that drives people to dislike smart people, it's an instinctive dislike of people with swollen heads and a desire to humble them. I don't dislike the other guy on the team who's really good at science and math, even though he's probably smarter than Tiberio. I did dislike the cocky asshole who failed math in junior high.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:08 PM Author: Thriller background story area
There are plenty of examples like this. One of them is Wikipedia, where I was swarmed by a bunch of underemployed loser-fuckers who hated that I was more accomplished than them.
I fully admit that I do a very poor job of downplaying my accomplishments. That's an area where I could use some work, because no one likes a self-promoter.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:13 PM Author: Angry Mad-dog Skullcap
Actually, that's a good point you make about wikipedia. I've never experienced anything like that in my own life so I couldn't really relate. I do think, however, that you will really see huge benefits in your direct person-to-person relationships if you make a conscious effort to become more humble. I can tell you that it's certainly worked for me.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:18 PM Author: Thriller background story area
You're right. I'm in a cycle of: (1) Get besieged by envious fucks, (2) hold my own for a while but eventually get exhausted, (3) retire into a state of distant gloom-- and spend too much time on the Internet, (4) emerge with more arrogant posturing, (5) attract a new batch of envious fucks. The problem with my life is that I spend so much time and energy dealing with the envious loser-fuckers, that there isn't enough of me left for the people and activities I do enjoy.
I wish I could be more humble, only because the arrogance is also off-putting to the people I like. Unfortunately, arrogance is the only way to react to a horde of envious fucks who need to be put in their place.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:21 PM Author: Pea-brained lodge hissy fit
But it's not. Just stop bothering with (4) and you're probably not going to be besieged anymore. People usually ignore people who mind their own business.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:21 PM Author: crawly talented base
I went back and looked at the Wiki thing. There were clearly a lot of weirdos on both sides (I mean its an internet thing), but you could have deflated that whole situation if you had shown even an ounce of humility early on.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:56 PM Author: Thriller background story area
As in, because I grew up in a semi-backward area (central PA) and went to a rural college, I don't know "the rules" of an urban environment: where to find certain types of people, how to meet women in a coffeeshop, et cetera. I'm working on it.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:18 PM Author: Transparent garrison marketing idea
If you're a nerd, your best bet is to just be a nerd. Women fuck men who are comfortable with themselves, so don't try to pretend you are something else.
Date: November 5th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Pea-brained lodge hissy fit
Nerds don't do well in high school, but a lot of nerds either grow out of it or make it work for them once reaching adulthood. Guys who lack confidence or social skills don't do well ever, but that group doesn't completely overlap with the nerdy group.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:03 PM Author: Thriller background story area
The nerds in high school are generally also guys who lack confidence and social skill, but the point is that they get better. If they're still that way at 40, then yeah, they're fucked.
IQ < 85: Never popular
IQ 85-110: Popular in HS, TTT life afterward.
IQ 110-130: Nerdy in HS, popular in college, decent life afterward.
IQ 130-165: Nerdy through HS and college, well-respected and liked by mid-20s, good life afterward.
IQ >165: Too smart ever to be popular, but usually detached from the concern anyway.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:11 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Yes, but intelligence penalizes social success so much that confidence erodes quickly. This society would function a whole lot better if it weren't so anti-intellectual.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:06 PM Author: Pea-brained lodge hissy fit
Disagree. High school revolves around cliques, and there are definitely men in the nerd cliques who have reasonably good social skills and at least average confidence. These guys are nerds because of their interests, not their personalities. There are also insecure guys with no game in non-nerd groups - not as many of them in places like the jock group as some others, but you'll find one or two everywhere.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:13 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Obviously, those were generalizations, but there is a level of intelligence above which social success is not possible, except among comparably intelligent people... who get harder and harder to find as you go up the scale.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:23 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Top 1% is about 135, which is actually a great place to be, because you're still smart enough to get a great job, but that level of intelligence doesn't uniformly attract social adversity.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:26 PM Author: cruel-hearted grizzly spot
"135, which is actually a great place to be, because you're still smart enough to get a great job, but that level of intelligence doesn't uniformly attract social adversity."
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:36 PM Author: crawly talented base
Except that you constantly complain that you have an unsatisfying social life. And you just claimed that really smart people were physically incapable of having one.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:40 PM Author: Thriller background story area
The only unsatisfying component is my embarrassing complete lack of a love life. It brings me down, causes me to get into stupid fights at every opportunity, and leaves me emotionally exhausted almost chronically. Case in point is the fact that I'm posting on a message board at 5:30pm on a Saturday. The exhaustion means that there isn't enough of me left for the people I do like.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:34 PM Author: Transparent garrison marketing idea
Self-diagnosis is irrelevant.
1. You believe you are better than normal people, or as you would call them, "loser-fuckers" on the basis of one suspect criteria, natural intelligence.
2. At the same time, you are envious of them, especially those with girlfriends or decent social lives.
3. In response, you overestimate your looks, social class or status, and position in society.
4. You believe that others are conspiring to attack you
5. In response, you withdraw further into your sick world of dual inferiority and superiority complexes.
Date: November 13th, 2005 3:18 PM Author: Shimmering useless brakes
I just found this shit. It's obvious that you have no idea who pensive is. 2 and 3 laughable and clearly wrong. If anything he tends to underestimate himself. That said, he does have somewhat of a hypervigiliant streak.
pensive, you are totally incorrect about physical power being the main ingredient of attraction. i could beat up practically anyone other than like Mike Tyson or something, and it doesnt help. ditto a lot of big guys. we often lose out to smaller, more slick and charismatic guys.
not really, although that is often true. i know a guy who went to Uchicago and who is actually very slick. i know this is incredibly unprobable but it is true.
i dont even try to be slick though, i just am who i am. if she doesnt like it, i dont care. i think that's the best way to be. guys that aren't naturally slick and try to be are the worst.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:46 PM Author: Thriller background story area
Well, stupid people are naturally slick. Smart people have to work really, really hard at dumbing themselves down, and most will never put in the effort.
yeah it does seem that most slick guys are retarded, but then so are most people generally. either way, i will not be slick at any point in my lifetime, and actually i am kinda glad.
yeah i know. i would be incredibly uncomfortable with that. or with just going up to girls i dont know and hitting on them, or just generally acting all cool, etc. that just aint me.
yeah but i am introverted. oftentimes i just cant think of anything to say to a chick or dont feel like putting in the effort to hit on her. i am trying with a particular girl lately, but i dont know if it will work.
i had a gf of mine call me charismatic once but i think she was just trying to be nice or something, or get me to buy her dinner.
oh, and go for nerdy girls. personally, i love nerdy girls. i like them a lot better than more normal girls. and, a lot of times, they're more attractive too.
in particular, as time goes by, nerdy girls do not get fat.
they dont, not usually. dorky girls are usually skinny and plain. non-dorky girls are usually a little thicker and more made-up. the latter look nice young, but look like shit later. the former get better over time. generally speaking.
and there are some dorky girls that are just ridiculously hot, physically. it happens. she might be getting her PhD in physics and love star trek, but she's a 9. and that she is dorky makes her all the hotter.
honestly i dont think i could even seriously date a non-dorky girl. no fun.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:42 PM Author: Thriller background story area
I agree with this post. The problem is that the physics PhD student is probably married; women in hard science PhD programs benefit from a ridiculously favorable gender balance.
Date: November 5th, 2005 6:54 PM Author: Thriller background story area
The guys in the math department are pretty average-looking; some are attractive, some are not, but it's probably the same mix as one would find anywhere else.
Sharon C. Garthwaite aint bad, hit on her. ditto Sabrina Guettes. Blythe Hazellief looks hot actually. Anne Jorstad and Hye Won Kang arent bad either. Julie Simons too.
sheesh you got some decent girls there, get to work.