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Libs are so dishonest discussing abortion its really off putting
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:29 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig They always make the following dishonest talking points:
1. Abortion is only a tiny part of what Planned Parenthood does, so by defunding them you are penalizing poor women needing cancer screenings.
This is nonsense, as you could easily strike a compromise where Congress funded Planned Parenthood provided they not offer abortions. It's a choice to tie abortion to cancer screenings, and one that is easily remedied.
2. Planned Parenthood receives no federal funding for abortions.
What does this even mean? They receive federal funding, period. Do they separate out the rent and utilities for abortion? Do they spin off the abortion section to a separate LLC that receives no funding from the parent? Of course not, it's all one entity and one pot. It's like giving $1 million to Paula Deen and saying you were just giving it to to the non-racist part of her, but she's assured you her racist side won't enjoy her new yacht.
3. Most egregiously, there is this argument that wanting to end abortion is anti-woman hate.
I realize our current media is killing our ability to empathize with others, but its pretty obvious why many people are against abortion. To dismiss it as being mad at women for having sex is stupid and glib. Furthermore, the most ardent pro-lifers are almost always women. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:46 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737643) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:47 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737649) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 10:07 PM Author: onyx hyperventilating really tough guy forum (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738194) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 10:10 PM Author: Dashing duck-like gaming laptop Sealclubber's #5 (dishonesty about what a fetus is) also encompasses the "clump of cells" argument. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738218) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:28 PM Author: Painfully Honest Henna Sex Offender Roast Beef "To dismiss it as being mad at women for having sex is stupid and glib."
That's easily your worst argument. The "you knew the consequences" argument is one of the most common. |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:41 PM Author: Insecure hairraiser therapy Yeah but consequence-free hedonism in every other sphere of life has a negative impact on society (drugs, alcohol, overeating, gambling). And "you knew the consequences" applies to men too, they end up getting child support pwned having kids out of wedlock. If we could put the genie back in the bottle and people only had sex with someone they'd want a kid with, the world would be a better place (aside from nasty problems like rape).
Abortion makes me morally uncomfortable when it's late term and the fetus has a good chance of survival outside the womb. At early stages it's not a human life and totally fine. Ask anyone you know who's tried to get pregnant. If they had a miscarriage in the first month it's disapointing but basically shrugged off and you try again. Losing a baby 6 months in after you've felt it kicking, saw the ultrasounds, heard its heart beating is devastating.
Reptiles are just as intellectually dishonest though: some of them want to ban birth control, super early pill abortions when it's preventing a dozen cells from implanting, teaching effective sex ed, etc. |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:50 PM Author: Painfully Honest Henna Sex Offender Roast Beef You're basically making some sort of argument rooted in a naturalistic fallcy: WE MUST ALLOW THE CONSEQUENCES TO FLOW AS NATURE INTENDED! INTERVENTION IS IMMORAL!
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:30 PM Author: spectacular pervert piazza COP (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737523) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:32 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie Re#3: Sure a lot of people are pro-life because they care about fetuses but a lot of people do ant to punish women for having sex. You see this on here a lot. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737540) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:33 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig Yes, I'm sure it's 50/50.
Jfc you're brainwashed. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:38 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie ...Did I say it's 50/50?
This is one of the most annoying things about xoxo conservatives - you spend all of your time trying to expose libs' ulterior motives but you're entirely incapable of turning the critical lens on yourselves.
Look, there is a large portion of the Republican Party that thinks women should be punished for having sex outside of wedlock. I have no way of knowing whether it's 50% or 27% but it's sorta unimportant.
It comes out a lot as well when birth control comes up, like the issue with the chick from GULC. If you think this "sluts deserve to suffer" sentiment is absent from the party, well then you're blind, |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:41 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig It's not even close to 27%. And no one was saying the GULC chick was a slut who deserved to suffer. The joke there was that the public should not be paying for her to have sex by giving her free birth control (especially since buying birth control is not an event you need to insure for).
If I'm blind, why is that you who has again presented a false narrative to make your case? |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:43 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university not even a public school, she chose to go to a CATHOLIC school. and this is post college, so she was probly mid-20s, not some kid going where her parents sent her. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737623) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:42 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university reptiles said that students choosing to spend over $200,000 on a graduate degree from a private, RELIGIOUS school should pay for their own birth control, not that they should "suffer" (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737619) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig Sorry, this made me really mad and I realized why so I'm adding it as dishonesty number 4:
4. Sure a lot of people are pro-life because they care about fetuses but a lot of people do ant to punish women for having sex.
There is somehow this idea that because there may be some people who hold a belief like that this, that is a reason to not empathize with anyone on the same side of the issue. This is a strategy you see being employed a ton with Trump lately. You'll see the Huffington Post running a front page endorsement of Trump from a KKK leader, and they use that as evidence that Trump is a racist - as if they've ever asked the KKK leader's opinion on anything else. This is perhaps the most dishonest of lib tactics.
Surely some women use abortions as a method of birth control, but the left would be outraged if anyone said "We have to ban abortion because women use it as birth control." Yet people like Blue Smoke will discuss some small subset of people angry at women for having sex as an honest, important point in the debate. As if that belief nullifies the sincere beliefs of many people who think abortion is killing a child. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:00 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie uh, what? youre getting angry at shit I never said
I never said anyone's beliefs nullify anyone else's.
I don't think the subset of people I'm referring to is "small" but you have no way of knowing how many people are in this group than I am. I think discussing them is as important as anything else discussed on xoxo. A thread about some parent who is getting a sex change for their toddler will generate a 300-post thread about how degenerate the Democratic Party is, even though people who hold that opinion are some fraction of 1% of Dems.
I hate what an echo chamber this place has become, and if you question conservative positions at all you're just mindlessly attacked. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:13 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha define "a lot" in % and absolute numbers you'll then see why this made up #4. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:16 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie How could I possibly know how many people this is? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737861) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:18 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha you are the one who made the assertion about a lot of people have the position against abortion in order to punish women that opinion, in my opinion, is complete bullshit and nonsensical so back it up with something. who are these anti-women people? what are their groups? what is their logic? |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:32 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig If it doesn't nullify others then why do you open your mouth to say it? Like what does it matter that some people beliefs are invalid if a majority are valid?
I can't conceptualize why it belongs in the debate, so perhaps you can tell me why it is something we should take into account. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:34 PM Author: maize pozpig market never heard a single one of these "talking points". did you type this up from a pamphlet you got at Sunday school bud? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737553) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:37 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig Every single one was discussed on Real Time last week... (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737578) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:45 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university "Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services."
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance
http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/12/wapo-three-pinocchios-planned-parenthoods-3-percent-abortion-lie/ (linking because the real WaPo article has a paywall) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:47 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university "They are NOT "Pro-Life" at all, they are just anti-woman"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/07/1062273/-They-are-NOT-Pro-Life-at-all-they-are-just-anti-woman |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:35 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Real talk: You need to prevent overpopulation, particularly from stupid people and poor people. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737558) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:53 PM Author: opaque rehab This sort of neo-malthusianism is the biggest load of claptrap (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737692) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:01 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage It isn't Malthusianism. It's dysgenic theory. Poors and stupid people reproduce at a faster rate than rich and smart people. You need something to counterbalance that otherwise the mean is going to decline. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737761) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 8:02 PM Author: contagious incel tcr (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28743099) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 8:02 PM Author: contagious incel (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28743098) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:36 PM Author: razzmatazz mustard resort Conservatives really don't give a fuck about any of those babies, and would be vehemently against using taxpayer dollars to support them once born. THAT'S dishonest. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737566) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:38 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig They'd definitely pay to support the babies. It's the adults they don't care about. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737585) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:39 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Why should society pay for the child of someone too stupid/poor to raise it themselves? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737595) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:42 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig I'm just trying to be honest here. Most of the most vehement pro-lifers would almost adopt the babies themselves rather than have them aborted. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737618) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:43 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Yeah, but they would only if they're white and pretty. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737628) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:45 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig There's definitely a preference for that but people pay thousands to adopt from Asia and Africa. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737639) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:46 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Yeah. The Hollywood types. But they tend to be libs trying to show they're DIVERSE. Not pro-lifers. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737644) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:48 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university (xo shitlib who only knows childless urbanites; ignoring that Rachel Dolezal's black brother was adopted by fundies) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737654) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:50 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage I'm not a shitlib. Abortion has nothing to do with "choice" else the father should have a decision. It has nothing to do with bodily autonomy either because there's a bunch of stuff you can't do with your body. The State has an interest in population control. At least I'm honest about it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737667) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:15 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha find a case that states 'the State has an interest in population control' that has to do with abortion and not immigration. good fucking luck (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737843) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:17 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage See generally Buck v. Bell (not overruled and cited as good law in Roe v. Wade). (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737874) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:22 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha so a cite that specifically says it doesn't apply to abortion is used to say it specifically applies as a justification for abortion? come on Although this opinion and eugenics remains controversial, the decision in this case still stands. Buck v. Bell was cited as a precedent by the opinion of the court (part VIII) in Roe v. Wade, but not in support of abortion rights. To the contrary, Justice Blackmun quoted it to justify that the constitutional right to abortion isn't unlimited. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:24 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage He cited it to hold that the right to bodily autonomy isn't unlimited, if you read the decision and not a wikipedia. He puts it with the same category as vaccination, you can't do whatever you want with your body. You wanted a decision where the State has an interest in population control, there you go. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737909) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:27 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha thanks. retard procreation = same logic applied to abortion of healthy fetuses |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:29 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Just do force someone who doesn't want a kid to make an 18 year commitment. What can go wrong? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737955) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:31 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha just do adoption. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737963) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:32 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Just do force a woman to endure 9 months of pregnancy. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737979) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:34 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha just do kill a baby (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737992) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:36 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage So now an egg = chicken, seed = flower, and wheat germ = bagel. Got it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738004) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:37 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha 5. dishonesty about what a fetus is (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738013) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:39 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage A fetus has all the genetic material of what may or may not develop into a person (since ~20% of unrecognized pregnancies terminate, and an addition ~15% of recognized do). It has no consciousness, rational thought, memory, will, or emotion. It's the raw material. It wasn't even until the 20th century when you had the personhood at conception movement. Aquinas and Augustine both believed a fetus wasn't quickened until 40 days in. Also, abortion was not a felony in the common law, but murder was. Obviously, different values were put on each. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738019) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:57 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha #5. dishonesty about what a fetus is (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738133) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 12:48 PM Author: stimulating spot "Party of science" ignoring 500 years of advancement in scientific knowledge. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28740578) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:04 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Yeah, evidence is even STRONGER now it's not a human at conception. Unless you're going to say an egg is a chicken. Differentiate the two without using a slogan from a bumper sticker put on pickup trucks. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741440) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:06 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha when do you believe you became a life? when do you believe your mother should not have been able to abort you? |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:07 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage When I was able to survive independently of her womb. A fetus is, in the biological definition, a parasite before that. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741455) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:15 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha so when we can transplant fetuses, abortion should no longer be an option? this says some can live when being born as early as 22 weeks. is that the line? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:17 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage I'm indifferent as to whether we're defining biological viability by the ability to survive independent of the womb naturally or with ALS. Viability with ALS is a nice line for legal purposes. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741503) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:15 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university Actually, in biological definition, a parasite can never be the same species as its host. But for shitlibs, "rational scientific logic" means whatever makes them feel good. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741496) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:19 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage It is similar enough to intraspecies kleptoparasitism for these purposes. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741521) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:23 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university "It fits the narrative for our national dialogue" (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741545) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:50 PM Author: Dashing duck-like gaming laptop "Unless you're going to say an egg is a chicken."
You know that the eggs we eat are not fertilized, right? It's like an ovum. So no, it's not a chicken. A fertilized egg would be much different. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:46 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737642) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:42 PM Author: razzmatazz mustard resort There's a shit ton of orphans in group homes who beg to differ. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737620) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:43 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig Really? I thought there were no American babies to adopt that's why people pay around 20-50k to adopt foreign babies? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737627) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:46 PM Author: Anal cobalt school cafeteria There is a long waiting line for white babies. MUDs? Lots of them available. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738057) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 8:33 PM Author: Milky Shrine No one wants black babies. Give them to the homo couples to experiment on. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28743339) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:39 PM Author: Rusted Stirring Heaven What is inconsistent about 1. People valuing babies lives and 2. Wanting babies to be self sufficient (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737588) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:40 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie I would be moire sympathetic to the pro-life cause as well if they seemed to care a little bit more about what happens to the fetus post-womb. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737601) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:44 PM Author: Jade histrionic indian lodge Yeah the Catholic Church, for example, never stepped up to educate children or run hospitals or homeless shelters or DV shelters or create space for AA or run food pantries or visit prisoners, etc. They have shown ZERO concern for people who are not fetuses. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737631) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:44 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage That's cause the RCC is pro-life because it needs new members. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737633) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:47 PM Author: Jade histrionic indian lodge (Guy who is confusing the RCC and the Episcopal Church)
Anyway, I want Blue Smoke to come crawling into my sub-thread apologizing for her bullshit post above. The Church is the FACE of the pro-life movement and its also the biggest global charitable enterprise in the world and in human history.
But yeah, pro-lifers dont "care" about humans. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:47 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage Episcopal "church" allows abortion, bro. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737650) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:48 PM Author: Jade histrionic indian lodge No wonder its pews are empty (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737652) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 1:36 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bawdyhouse regret it's hard to be passionate about a church that doesn't really stand for anything. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28740838) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:50 PM Author: Insecure hairraiser therapy What about the grace of God, helping the poor in your community, and brotherhood of man? You don't need to stand for political issues to have a strong community. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741681) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:51 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie WTF?
I didn't say anything about Catholics.
I'm referring to individual conservatives .(there are a ton of them on this board) who are ardently,pro-life but also don't want to pay taxes and want social programs eroded.
I didn't say there are NO people on earth who are pro-life and care about the baby's outcome, I'm just responding to the traditional Republic position of being anti-abortion and anti-welfare state. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university children and pregnant women are the exact people who are offered social support even in reptile states. where exactly are these supposed republicans starving babies to death?
libs will inject saline into their skulls and then vacuum the brains out, and then accuse republicans of mistreating them. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:56 PM Author: Clear chapel rigpig Right there are very few posters on the board who are pro-defunding WIC. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737722) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:58 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university *xo libs rush in to defend wasteful shitlib "welfare" programs that are designed to enrich the AMA and gov't employees* (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737743) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:59 PM Author: Jade histrionic indian lodge you said the "pro life cause" and I responded using your words as the basis for my response.
The people youre describing are rare and probably a strawman, which gets us back to OP's point.
Pro-abortioners are very disingenuous.
The main muscle behind the anti-Roe movement for decades has been the RCC. Disagree with all you like, but dont have the gall to beat it down as a strawman who is not charitable.
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:02 PM Author: Mahogany Excitant Stage And the RCC has no spine. It routinely lets pro-choice Catholics and politicians receive communion. Your boy Tim Dolan even gave Biden a shout out at mass. It does what it needs to in order to make bank. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737775) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:15 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie LOL I love how you people who post on fucking AUTOADMIT are choosing tonight ti pretend that you don't know exactly what I'm talking about with people being resentful at sluts and wanting them to take responsibility for their actions. It's said all the time on here and it's alluded to and hunted at IRL even though obviously no one can come out and say it.
But whatever. Y'all are just going to keep pretending that I'm crazy for even suggesting that this is a sizable groups of people of people.
No, you're right I don't have any quotes from politicians or anything so you win I guess. |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 1:39 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bawdyhouse regret there is some truth to what you say here. But I don't think it's the bulk of the pro-life movement, the vast majority of the "heavy lifting" from what I can see is the RCC and, specifically, the women of the RCC have taken this on as THEIR MAIN CAUSE.
we can acknowledge some are disingenuous and we can agree those people suck, but the day to day operation of the pro-life movement is RCC women. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:02 PM Author: Orange magical party of the first part toaster kind of a logical leap from "not really appropriate for other people to pay someone's way" to "murdering children is morally acceptable." See this argument a lot but never seen a lib really bridge this gap (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737770) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:16 PM Author: razzmatazz mustard resort If every woman who got an abortion said "I'll keep the baby but you the taxpayer have to pay to support the baby through adulthood because I won't be able to" you'd be ok with this? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737857) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:23 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie I thought Republicans were supposed to be the practical ones, the people concerned with consequences of their actions.
The reality is, if you take away abortion from women who don't want it you're forcing women who don't want to and generally can't afford to, to raise children. Someone has to provide for these children's needs (unless they are to starve on the street, which is I suppose a consistent position at least).
My argument isn't that people who think abortion is wrong should have to support the resultant children. I was just saying that I'd unspectacular pro-life people more if they showed some concern for the problems that their preferred policies will cause (and yes, I think it's awesome for the Catholic Church to provide services for the needy). |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:28 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha wrong. they can give up the baby for adoption. you aren't forcing anyone to do anything except not kill the unborn (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737944) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:51 PM Author: Anal cobalt school cafeteria Lol you are idiotic (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738089) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:48 PM Author: Anal cobalt school cafeteria Lol BLUEsmoke is literally poasting about money fo dem programs LJL (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738074) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 1:35 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bawdyhouse regret (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28740834) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:32 PM Author: Painfully Honest Henna Sex Offender Roast Beef There is no political party that corresponds well to the Catholic church's beliefs. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741589) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:45 PM Author: Insecure hairraiser therapy I think non-shitlib union worker style Democrats come pretty close aside from the abortion issue. A lot of Catholics don't want to legislate morality for others anyway and a sizable majority don't follow the Church's teachings on birth control. They're happy to live a Catholic lifestyle themselves but aren't big on evangelism or judging. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741647) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:26 PM Author: vivacious generalized bond alpha if the parents can't afford to keep the children safe and fed and provide shelter, then the door is opened for the government to come in and start dictating terms if children are not being provided for, it sure isn't the fault of the government. |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:37 PM Author: Rusted Stirring Heaven We are chill Luis type conservatives that encourage this type of black reducing (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737576) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:52 PM Author: Frum Box Office CR (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737684) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:40 PM Author: Jade histrionic indian lodge 18000 COP
This is true of so many lib positions. I would likely still be more amenable to some lib positions but for the dishonesty.
It galls me to say so, but even Hillary Clinton's positions are not that terrible... but Id rather pluck my eyes out than see her POTUS only because of her smug lying ways.
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:42 PM Author: wonderful unholy church kitty cat 18000000000000000 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737621) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:03 PM Author: Tan native It's better than the Reptile argument "cuz Jesus said so." (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737783) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:06 PM Author: laughsome ruddy university meanwhile in lib land:
In his free ebook, “Jesus For Revolutionaries,” UCLA ethnic professor Robert Chao Romero states that Jesus would support immigration reform, affirmative action and Obamacare.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15722/ |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:16 PM Author: spectacular pervert piazza LOL at Jesus supporting Obamacare
Single-payer, ofs, but not OBAMACARE |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:07 PM Author: my dog can log into xo more often than I can (and he's not even a citizen!) BS got pwned ITT. Go back to shooting up your quaaludes, honey. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737804) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:27 PM Author: electric avocado space selfie LOL you're always so out of it.. Who "shoots up" quaaludes? they're like pills (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737932) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:59 PM Author: Sooty Apoplectic State Deer Antler Like, totally (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738137) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:32 PM Author: charismatic old irish cottage goddamn BS is the worst (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737975) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:53 PM Author: Anal cobalt school cafeteria How many babies has she had vaccumed from her womb?? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738105) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 10:08 PM Author: mind-boggling canary location community account No bigger indication of (xo 2015) than we actually have long threads now on abortion. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738197) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 10:10 PM Author: Nighttime half-breed This thread is more about the lib discourse on abortion than abortion itself. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28738217) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 1:14 PM Author: passionate red private investor more about people who spend their friday nights seething about lib straw men (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28740701) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 1:31 PM Author: Insanely creepy sable friendly grandma pit What? There were epic threads in the mid-2000's on abortion. A lot of Fed Society types like Mind the Gap were pro life. The debate was a little more philosophical than this one, but it was good and vigorous. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28740819) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 1:41 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bawdyhouse regret cr. at bottom, the theory behind the pro-life movement is a longer extension against moral relativism. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28740862) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:07 PM Author: soul-stirring lodge roommate Good thread.
*endorses* |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 8:46 PM Author: Hateful rose school (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28743418) |